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HasuObs 'Grilled' interview (50 mins)

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Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 21:01:06
January 07 2013 20:57 GMT
#1
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Dennis "(P)HasuObs" Schneider is the star of the 27th episode of my 'Grilled' interview series.

Some of the topics discussed:
- If young WC3 players like (P)NaNiwa, (P)SaSe and (Z)Stephano would have gone on to be top players, had SC2 not come out.
- How WC3 compares to SC2 in terms of balance, map rotations and opportunities for newer players to break into the scene
- The plight of Zerg in the days of Terran dominance compared to Terran now in the Zerg era.
- Is (P)Rain more skilled than (P)MC?
- If Protoss is skillcapped at all.
- Whether HasuObs would consider becoming a full-time analytical caster.

Whether NaNiwa, SaSe and co would have been as successful in WC3 as they have been in SC2:
"I think the answer's no, I don't think that SaSe or NaNiwa would be as successful as they are in SC2, same for me though. I think in the end of WC3 there were a certain amount of players, like 15-20, and they were always invited to tournaments, and they were by far the best, like it was very hard to reach that level. I think it was also very hard to find really good practice at the end of WC3, so it was hard to become better. It seemed like those 15 players, they just had a different level, like they were one level above all the other players, and somehow it was very hard to get into that level.

I think the only player who managed to do that was LucifroN in the end. LucifroN was an underdog for a really long time, then he started to win tournaments and compete with the very best. But I think he was really the only guy who managed to do that in last two years of WC3, all the other players had been there for several years and been successful.

In SC2 it was a very fresh game, you had to learn new skills because it plays differently from WC3 but also from BW, like the unit micro and the movement is very different, so everyone had to learn it new. So everyone started basically with zero and then you have to adapt to the game, learn new strategies, new timings. It seems like because of many new players there were a lot of fresh players, fresh strategies, that seemed to be really important for the RTS scene overall. Now we see some old players doing really well, but some of the others never managed to do that well, they just fell apart, so they couldn't really transition to the game well."


Comparing Rain to MC:
"[Rain's] understanding of SC2 is just a little bit better than anyone else, as a Protoss player. He uses builds which noone else does, which means that he invented them, and they are very clean as well. At least for me, it's very hard to copy his builds, [they] requires a lot of multi-tasking, you're gonna have the warp prism on the map, you're gonna harass, and at the same time you don't do any kind of mistakes in your macro game, which actually requires a lot of skill.

MC most of the time, especially when he won a lot of tournaments, was very timing based. There were so many famous two base all-ins of MC, that was just the way that Protoss was gonna win the game, so you can't blame him for that. That's just a totally different approach [to] the game, when you see those two playing. Recently MC is not winning too much anymore, he lost to Grubby at the IEM in Singapore, and I think there was another foreign tournament where he dropped out early, which didn't happen before."


The entire 50m45s interview can be watched at Team Acer.
OKMarius
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 21:02:06
January 07 2013 21:01 GMT
#2
SaSe was a top player (relatively speaking) in WC3 - don't know why the interviewer and HasuObs seem to think he is much better in SC2? For me SaSe has been pretty much at the exact level in both games - capable of beating the best, but rarely winning tournaments.

Loving these interviews btw. Keep 'em coming.
Gubbernecco
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany170 Posts
January 07 2013 21:10 GMT
#3
On January 08 2013 06:01 OKMarius wrote:
SaSe was a top player (relatively speaking) in WC3 - don't know why the interviewer and HasuObs seem to think he is much better in SC2? For me SaSe has been pretty much at the exact level in both games - capable of beating the best, but rarely winning tournaments.

Loving these interviews btw. Keep 'em coming.


in certain times sase was 3rd best foreigner in wc3, but hasu should know it, they were on the same team at this time
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 07 2013 21:16 GMT
#4
Yeah Sase was super good, at least as good as he is now in sc2 imo.

Great interview, go Hasu!!!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
January 07 2013 22:24 GMT
#5
On January 08 2013 06:01 OKMarius wrote:
SaSe was a top player (relatively speaking) in WC3 - don't know why the interviewer and HasuObs seem to think he is much better in SC2? For me SaSe has been pretty much at the exact level in both games - capable of beating the best, but rarely winning tournaments.

Loving these interviews btw. Keep 'em coming.

I have never watched an entire pro game of WC3.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
January 07 2013 22:26 GMT
#6
Hey Thorin! These are great! I'm really enjoying the interviews.
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Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-07 22:39:19
January 07 2013 22:33 GMT
#7
Apparently Thorin was wreaking havoc at the HSC by doing interviews with literally every player. I think the Grilled-series has become one of the most important parts of the current esports-journalism. So pls keep up the good work. I thought this here was one of the most interesting ones, even though Hasu was digressing from time to time.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 07 2013 22:47 GMT
#8
Thorin, you seem to be unaware that SaSe was among the top foreigners in wc3? I didn't comment on this in your last interview since you made clear that your knowledge about the game was lacking but SaSe actually won a DH and had several high placements in many big tournaments. He was beating players like Grubby, ToD, TH000, Moon, Lucifer etc. etc. in big offline lan events during his career. He was also living in China for some time and staying on par with the chinese players.

I think it would be more appropriate to say wc3 amateurs like "ThorZaIN, Naniwa, Stephano", since ThorZaIN only had a single good tournament and it was really late.
PavelDatsyuk88
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden55 Posts
January 08 2013 08:15 GMT
#9
nice, Hasu always a pleasure to listen.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 08 2013 09:43 GMT
#10
yet another great interview cheers!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
January 09 2013 03:36 GMT
#11
very indepth interview, enjoyed it alot.
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
January 09 2013 03:40 GMT
#12
These interviews so long ;] I watched some of it! gj!
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