Whose Line Is It Anyway? Mafia!

On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Gosh, what have we here?
How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.

On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.

On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Crossfire, I have no issues with you personally. I don't currently think you're scum. You just need to get your act together. You do realize that posting a massive wall of illegible garbage HURTS town, right? That the reason Mementoss is voting you, even though he thinks you have a good chance of flipping town, is that he literally can't understand what you're saying?

As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you.

The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order.

More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum.

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gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.



I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?

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By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible.

On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote:


Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it.

Part I: Spreading Accusations

All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this:



His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up.

He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind.



Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote.



Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point.

Part II - Doesn't fit the meta

Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case.

Part III - Active Lurker

Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game.

He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses.





He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi

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Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him.

Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him.

Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking.

When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.

On November 02 2012 09:28 Mementoss wrote:
F keirathi made that huge discussion vote but still didn't commit to anyone, hes actually set to be modkilled/replaced at this point.