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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 29 2012 17:22 GMT
#28
/replacement

Okay, off to watch the whole 5 seasons of WLIIA?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 18:09 GMT
#175
Y/Kay, just woke up, so let's kick some musician's ass!


Z/Look, this BKE issue seems to get quite a lot of "attention" from other people that are jumping on it. A/Mmhhh, it just seemed like a joke and nothing else, and a derp from BKE's part.
B/No, that's not alignment indicative at all, both town and scum can post "jokes" and derp right at the beginning of the game, although I always get the feeling townies do it more often.
C/Oh, I think I've only seen more "veteran" players play scum and act jolly and expose themselves right at the beginning of the game (Mattchew, Risen, or Bill Murray and those kind of guys), and for the moment I don't really suspect a scum BKE would do that.

D/Well, there's not much to go by now though.
E/Xfire seems eager enough to post and seems to do it without fear, but damn some of his "rhyming" posts are just full of fluff. Yikes, I guess if he's really entertained by this posting restriction he could get carried on; but really if you are town Xfire you should not try to post filler just to "satisfy the posting restriction".


F/Zoolander, one of the things that caught my eye was Keirathi's behaviour:

On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.


G/AH! Crossfire already mentioned something about it. H/But here Keirathi is showing eagerness to start scumhunting, but doesn't follow up with it at all until called out.

On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Gosh, what have we here?
On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.

How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.

Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean.


I/Cool, maybe the Diablo 3 part is true, it still doesn't justify him not posting any thoughts at all in his 1st post. J/D, I'd have thought a townie so eager to catch scum like he did would spend at least 10 seconds posting what's on his mind at least.

K/Eh, not only that, but that above post is just filler, saying there's nothing to go on and saying the post restriction is hard. Fine, it's true that there's not much to go on about, but I expect more from town Keirathi.
L/Gah, like in Aperture 2, town Keirathi starts the game with a bang; there he posted an "obviously shitty" case with his first post just to get some discussion going.
M/He didn't care about "there's not much to go on about" there, he just cared in sparking discussion.
N/In here, Keirathi is just passive as hell, and doesn't seem to care about starting or participating in any discussion

On November 01 2012 00:14 Keirathi wrote:
Do you care to share why you think it would be a good idea to out our blues early in day 1, Chezinu?


O/Joot; here's Keriathi's last post; which again is just filler. P/Keirathi doesn't seem to care about other stuff going on, like the BKE vote, or other people's posts, and just seems hung on Chezinu's claim...? Q/Like, not even that, but even that question of his seems unimportant (since we know most likely Chezinu wouldn't respond it and Chezinu is Chezinu) which makes me wonder why he thought asking that question was better than....I don't know...commenting on anything else that was going on.

R/Maybe I'm getting too excited here, but for now I think Kei's the best bet for scum:

##Vote: Keiarthi

S/Now, I'd like everybody's opinion on Keirathi.
T/Oh, haven't looked into other people either (BH, Hopeless, S&B, etc) but I didn't see anything that caught my attention. U/Pikachu I'd like those guy's thoughts as well.

V/Pre-Edit: Xuck, this posting restriction is getting annoying when someone posts right before you :/
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 18:11 GMT
#176
Oh for fucks sake I forgot to put "F/Yikes"

*sigh*
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 19:20 GMT
#186
On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.

Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him.


Cay, I fucked up that little bit, you did slightly comment on BKE.
Deeply still, you didn't conclude anything with it, you just responded to Adam's meta argument, you didn't talk about the vote itself, you just reacted to Adam's comment.

Ehm, your question on Chezinu was "unimportant" in the sense that out of all the things you could be talking about you chose to ask the "unreadable guy" a question he most likely wouldn't respond. For it also seemed very safe to ask.
Granted it's not that your question was "scummy as fuck", it's the fact that you bothered asking that question and not do something else, like starting discussion, comment about other things people said.
Hhh to me it seemed "safe" of you, specially since you didn't follow up with anything else after asking that question.

I'll wait for other people's thought on this though; it's still too early in the day.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 19:26 GMT
#189
On November 01 2012 03:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
That isn't the only reason my vote is on BKE. Under the circumstances, his vote should not still be on crossfire. Very suspicious that he claims "oc I was joking" but leaves his vote where it is. Which choice (between leaving the vote or unvoting) would be "going back on your word" to BKE?


Jolly, didn't notice that. Kay, that's just too clumsy to do if he's town.
Like, I just came from a game in OMGUS where a scum did exactly that (made a "joke" vote, spent like 10 posts explaining how that vote was a joke but never unvoted), so I can see something like that happening again. Ministry, however he still has time to explain himself; if he goes AFK and keeps his vote on Xfire it'd certainly be scummy as hell.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 19:29 GMT
#190
Natalie it seems like we have more people failing the post restriction >_>

Oh, BH once you come back from your 1 hour detention, could you post your thoughts on Keirathi? Perhaps or you still think Adam is scum for that 1st post of his?

Query him you did but I don't really see why your vote is on him; I'll check it out again though
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 19:39 GMT
#191
Romulus and Remus Blazinghand I don't really see how Adam saying he scratched some posts because of the restriction is scummy.
Surely you think his comments about BKE are scummy perhaps? Titanium I haven't seen you comment on those and you just seemed to forget Adam even existed, even though you still have your vote on him
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 19:56 GMT
#194
Yo I guess you don't care about the posting restriction anymore BH? Well I might do that with my bigger posts, since they come off horrible when trying to fit my thoughts into the restriction; although it'd stiffle discussion a lot (for instance now I can't discuss with you anything and once you can post again the thread of the discussion will be lost basically).


Xena, you make some good points, although you seem to be ignoring his pressure of BKE; do you think him pressuring BKE looking at his past games and shit would be "a player who's trying to reason things out and learn" or not? Zoo, again because you haven't mentioned that.

Also, again I'd like your thoughts on Keirathi. Boldly I feel that he hasn't done much ever since I called him out, he just kept hung on the Chezinu issue yet again and posting minimally yet again
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 20:20 GMT
#195
EBWOP:

Chicka-bow just in case I know Keirathi is in a 1 hour detention right now, I meant his posting before that.

I assume the "EBWOP" thing doesn't count towards the restriction, right? :/

Dandruff, well, this is getting boring now. Earpiece in my ear, and I'll be going to uni in 1 hour or so, and I'll be working on a project now so bon voyage. Foreplay, I'll check this thread every once and then until then anyways.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 20:44 GMT
#199
N/Looking at some of Adam's posts he quoted it seemed like there was a difference in play regarding Adam's first posts in games as town.
O/Macho, I didn't really pay attention to his "he posts big questions" argument, but rather that "Adam is fearless and forceful in his 1st posts" argument.
P/Ni, it didn't convince me that much because of that BKE issue I said before BH seemed to have ignored, but it's a little bit interesting if he is willing to expand on it.
Q/Oh, when I played with Adam I didn't really see him being such a "huge force" in town (I think I played with him as town..? I don't really remember, I did play with him as scum I think) so Adam not behemently trying to fuck scum is not really something that worries me.
R/Pibe, what kind of worries me is that he just got hung up with BKE as well (kind of how Kei is hung up with Chezinu right now); although he has time to contribute more though.

Shhh, it'd be nice if people didn't make instant consecutive posts when they ask someone else for a response >_>
(Ta-ta, although that's kind of what I did previously...ehmm...huh...so nevermind <_<)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 21:06 GMT
#204
On November 01 2012 05:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Umm I can't fcking follow what gonzaw is doing. Why is that method of skirting the rules allowed? Vault this kid into detention please so that he's forced to stop dicking around and go the BH route, or play the game properly. Xtention of this would be to allow everyone (looking at you BH) to just throw in a random word that starts with the applicable letter.


Zap, that's because when I already have the post made someone else ninja's me so I'd have to redo the whole post again. And I don't really give a crap to change a whole post I made (which did follow the restriction) every time someone ninja's me.

But, if the hosts say it's not allowed then I'll be in detention and not do it. Can't say it happened yet so I think it's valid, at least if my previous post follows the restriction.


Dear BH...are you serious?

Elementary, I did read that post of yours. For what I know though, it's that you did keep up with the restriction later, for instance these posts:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&currentpage=9#173
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&currentpage=9#178
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378652&currentpage=10#188
Given that, I thought you started to care about the restriction again since you were following it.
Highlighting you not giving a crap about the restriction again was a remark about that. Is this really enough reason for you to think I'm scum? Joke, at least try harder dear, FoSing me because of a remark about you not caring about the restriction is stupid.
Know, although I can see you making stupid cases like this as town. Like right now I'm leaving so don't have time to check you BH, I'll do it later when I come back.

Making statements like "lol I won't comment on Keirathi since my Adam case is the bestest" is stupid as well; it's D1 and we need info and contributions from people; knowing people's stance on Keirathi, seeing if they have more info to share about him that can help us figure out his alignment even more, etc.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
October 31 2012 21:10 GMT
#206
Nothing else Mementos?
Oh, like thoughts on Keirathi for instance which you seemingly ignored?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 01 2012 03:26 GMT
#234
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.


I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game.


Yeah, I guess it doesn't mean you'll dogmatically be in favour of using the 1-hour method at all times, I may have misunderstood that...

....so? I don't get the point here. It's not something important (at least not to me) and it's not something that I would even dwell on so I don't get how I should "think a bit harder about the game" about something mostly irrelevant that I just made a remark on.
You are grasping at straws there BH

Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?


First of all...no, that wasn't "part of the reason" you were on my ass and if it was you made a pretty poor job of pointing that out.
Second of all...I don't know? I don't know what you seriously expect me to answer.
I'm playing like I play, nothing more; I don't honestly see any difference like you are pointing out.
I'm getting the feeling there's not much to go on about though, and I think I came into the game kind of late and could only post a few times with the people that were active (you and Xfire mostly) so that may be why you are "worried" about it.

If you don't mind I'll just ignore this for now. If you have any specific stuff about me that worries you point it out so I can clear any misunderstandings.


Anyways BH, I don't really get why you somehow got all pissy about me for some irrelevant reason, and after I call you out...you somehow backtrack on it and completely change the reason why you are suspicious of me?
Not only that but the tone of your post is just....like apologetic...? I don't really know the word, but you are asking me why I'm "not playing like town" in your mind?
You very well know that if I was scum I can answer anything you want me to answer and "satisfy" that question of yours. It doesn't really feel consistent with your "aggressive macho guy" persona you put when you FoS people or when you even FoSed me before.
This inconsistency is weird.....but meh.
You seem genuinely interested when you post and I don't think you'd explain yourself so much as scum, which makes me doubt you being scum at the moment. You could still be scum but I can't see it much at the moment.

Again, about your Adam case it seems interesting but unless you expand on it I can't see it. It's interesting because yeah, Adam hasn't done much at the moment other than pressure BKE and that seems suspicious, but he's not "100% confirmed scum" because of that flimsy meta argument you made. Maybe you get it better since you played with him in those games but I don't see it.


On November 01 2012 08:33 Adam4167 wrote:
Well this got interesting. Blazinghand, you are cherry picking my game history to support your meta case.

X marks the spot. You ignore more recent games such as Aperture Mafia and wiggles mini mafia II - where I did not launch into cases with my first post - both of which I was town.

You're taking a year old game, my FIRST game, and a post that I later admit to being drunk when writing and use that as evidence for aggression which you believe is lacking in this game.

Zebras. I handled you more carefully this game because I've seen your horrendous tunnel-vision in TL51 - something that was a large distraction to town.


...however Adam, that doesn't excuse you to just post to "defend" yourself and not contribute much more.
I believe more than 1 hour has passed so you can now post in here, but you haven't. You also fail to comment on the BKE issue which you participated before, yet somehow you can only find time to "defend" yourself from BH's accusations.
Why not do more? Saying "there are other games where I was town and haven't done much" doesn't mean you are justified in not doing much this game.


On November 01 2012 07:04 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Crossfire, I have no issues with you personally. I don't currently think you're scum. You just need to get your act together. You do realize that posting a massive wall of illegible garbage HURTS town, right? That the reason Mementoss is voting you, even though he thinks you have a good chance of flipping town, is that he literally can't understand what you're saying?

As an aside, my posts might not follow the alphabet rule, but i have the correct time between them, and by being clear when I'm not playing along, I'm infinitely more respectful to the spirit of the game than guys who slap letters at the start of their posts. But that' s not even the point. My role PM doesn't say that my job is to earn points in minigames; my Role PM doesn't say that my job is to play in the spirit of WLIIA; my role PM, and your role PMs, if you are town, says you win when all the scum are dead. I will not water down my analysis and play against my win con, and neither should you.

The spirit of this game is lynching scum. Anything less than trying your hardest to win is not appropriate. When this can fit into alphabetical order and get the point across, I'll gladly do it. And when it won't, I will, within the guidelines set out in the OPs, not follow the alphabetical order.

More specifically regarding your critique of my Adam case, you're missing the point again. Adam does eventually get confrontational (and FourFace was an unbelievably, immeasurably bad player who I believe got banned or something), but as scum he is more cautious. He probes first, then leaps. He is playing with his scum mindset this game, or at least he was while he was still posting in the thread. Look at his opening posts-- the questions, the lack of a commitment, and most importantly the lack of a case and a vote-- this is how he plays as scum.




gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.

On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.


I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?




By the way, Mementoss, if your reasoning for voting Crossfire is entirely that he is hard to understand, that's fine, but bear in mind you're basically lynching him for being bad and playing anti-town, but not necessarily for playing like scum. I personally read him as a confused townie who doesn't understand he needs to play to his wincon. He'll shape up. He's not a terrible D1 lynch, but honestly if it comes down to it and nobody wants to go for Adam, I'd rather policy one of these inactive guys than do what's essentially a policy lynch on Crossfire for being illegible.

Too many posts not following alphabet guidelines, so I'm not sure what letter we're on. But BH: why so willing to comment on basically everything else except gonzaws points about me?


Hmm....
Don't really know what to think of this (Keirathi basically wants people to check him out?).
Keirathi why do you want BH to comment on the stuff I said about you?

You are playing differently that in previous games I've played with you, and you still don't seem to contribute anything of your own other than slightly "pressure" some people (Chezinu and BH now apparently).

If you are town you would really need to step up your game, because it's making me hard to think of you as a townie that cares about this game right now.

That comment of yours seems weird for a scum to make....but damn I've seen scum post weird comments before (even in our last game) so I don't really want to take it into account, at least if you don't contribute or do something other than appear you are active by posting every once and then.
In Aperture Mafia 2 you were like confirmed town in my mind in very very little time by the way you posted, and in Can't Believe I remember you being part of discussions and stuff early on (even if you were "fluffy" or wishy-washy at times which made me FoS you initially...but you became pretty "obvious" town in D2 and D3). I don't see you doing either here, you are not even close to making me consider you town which is what makes me worried as well.

There are some other players I'd like more stuff on. Like S&B, Mementos or that Django guy (or even Chezinu).

Hey S&B, do you plan on doing something? I see you talk about BKE and posting stuff like "I'm very wary of people fucking up on purpose! *wink* *wink* " but there's not much substance in there.
Please don't turn up like in Aperture Mafia 2 :/ (i.e useless all game)
..or worse...scum



About BKE,....well at least he changed his "joke" vote and voted someone else with some reasoning, although it seems like an OMGUS.
I'm not too sure, he seems too "aggressive" to be scum in my mind, specially with that "joke" vote of his initially.
Meh I'll look at him tomorrow.

Also yeah fuck this restriction, at least for this post.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 01 2012 16:51 GMT
#251
Kay, seems I had less time than planned, since I'm leaving to uni in like...10 minutes

Like, fuck, I'm not very sure who is scum at this moment, but I have to vote someone.

Mementos seems only concerned with his vote on Xfire and nothing else and it wasn't a strong vote either (didn't even have reasons for Xfire being scum, just "unreadable"). No, like, why the fuck haven't you made a proper case on him yet? Or are you just "policy lynching" him like BH said?
Possibly, he's just justifying himself with "oh I don't have time" or "oh I'm at the gym" when he spends the time he's here only defending himself about his Xfire vote. Que?

Right, fuck gotta make this quick.

So, damn; I think Keirathi is the most likely scum out of all of them.Oh fuck this post restriction I won't make it in time.
He has done 0 scumhunting at all this day other than making "probing" questions to players like Chezinu or BH. He wasn't part of any discussion, and worst of all didn't seem to care. He didn't even seem to care to defend himself against my points.
Again, the main point is that he doesn't care about the game and is not contributing.
Again, in Aperture 2 or even Can't Believe, he was part of every discussion and would have never acted like he's doing here at all.

Yeah I think he should be today's lynch. But fuck I won't be around here for that, so I hope you guys can make something out of this D1.

I wouldn't mind Adam or Mementos lynched. Adam hasn't done anything other than park his vote on Mementos. He posted good reasons to pressure him but not to base a whole lynch vote on him and disappear. Again taking into account him only "pressuring" BKE earlier and nothing else. He isn't pushing Mementos nor doing anything else productive.
Mementos made a "bad" vote on Xfire and doesn't seem to care to be part of any other discussion or scumhunting. He hasn't even moved his vote from Xfire or talked about Adam or Keirathi or any of those guys (that I remember).

I'm still not sure about BKE, since I can't really see a scum "noob" BKE make such an aggressive "joke" vote very early into the game. I'd prefer him not being lynched today but fuck it I'm not sure fuck running out of time.

Also we can lynch that Django guy as well he's not doing anything at all and fucking parked his vote on Chezinu.

Well fuck I gotta go.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 01 2012 23:58 GMT
#291
Kay, I'm back, when's the deadline?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 02 2012 00:00 GMT
#294
Pppkay, can you give me a rundown of what happened? I don't know if I have the time to read the thread carefully/respond to shit/post shit until then.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 02 2012 00:03 GMT
#299
Uh....fuck I didn't notice that, fucking restriction......
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 02 2012 00:05 GMT
#302
Well, what is the penalty for not following through the 1-hour wait?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 02 2012 01:01 GMT
#315
Okay, I assume the restriction will be over by the deadline so I don't waste time on it.

Just finished reading the thread. OKay, first of all Keirathi isn't getting lynched today at all, so:

##Unvote: Keirathi

Anyways, it seems this lynch is decided by me today, so I'll try not to be biased with "gut feelings" and shit like I'm used to.

Anyways fuck, this is not that easy decision after rereading the thread. Mem seemed to step up his game a little bit with his Keirathi case and BKE seemed to go mad.

Now I'm not that sure if BKE's "aggressiveness" is a town tell to be honest. Reminds me of ghost in Aperture Mafia 2, being "aggressive" and shit but making stupid votes, and purposefully acting stupid to convince us he's town.

Anyways damn getting fewer time.
I'm not entirely sure who to lynch of them too, I'm confused about that right now and the pressure of the lynch isn't making that any simple.

Some of BKE's posts are just scummy as fuck, like this one:

On November 02 2012 04:22 BroodKingEXE wrote:
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On November 02 2012 01:52 Mementoss wrote:
Keirathi


Okay so some preface, I think Keirathi has been slipping through this game without being mentioned too much. So I decided to look at his filter and noticed some scummy things. Lets go through it.

Part I: Spreading Accusations

All game, Keirethi has been spreading accusations very very subtly while never going deeper into them, he has yet to give a strong opinion that he thinks would be good for a lynch. Overall, hes looking active while not doing anything to push a scum lynch. His play seems to represent someone that doesn't care who gets lynched at all. Lets look at a couple examples of this:

On November 01 2012 03:38 Keirathi wrote:
'Kay, so how is my question to Chezinu unimportant? Looks to me like he wanted all of our blues to claim. Maybe its just me, having never played with Chezinu, but that was a pretty anti-town plan.

Now, I did comment on the BKE thing. On its own, its not particularly scummy. Particularly, though, the fact that he hasn't done any kind of early pressure vote in any of his last 7 town games is a bit weird. Still, even then I only think its minorly scummy and would never be enough to make me vote him.


His questions at chezinu seem to hint that he thinks what he is doing is scummy and pushing scum agenda, yet he just calls him ut on an anti town plan and never follows up.

He says on its own its not scummy, than hints that his meta doesn't match so its a bit "weird". Never commits completely to his opinion on thinking hes scummy, but ends with scummy but not enough to vote him. Gives him an out if he flips red, that he didn't defend him he just couldnt make up his mind.

On November 01 2012 14:00 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 23:13 Mementoss wrote:
Nooooo chezinu ninjad me good thing I checked, I cant do the alphabet very well I have to say it completely out all the time lol. Oh, I agree with that fact that purposely fucking up is scummy because it gives you a free pass not to post, however, BKE seemed to be not understanding the rules at first, and the second time the posts were 3 min apart so its possible for ninja post. Poop, just to clarify this doesn't excuse his ridiuclous joke vote/call out on a "scum slip", it seemed like a desperate attempt to put fault on someone, but he fucked up with the rules. Qonsequently BKE, so far is the only player that stands out to me as somewhat scummy.

Reading chezinus last post, I still don't agree with the mass claim idea. Sit will still end up with everyone claiming audience memebers. Tangerine, chezinu, why do you feeld it was nessecary to give the player list :S ?


On November 01 2012 06:08 Mementoss wrote:
On October 31 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote:
Love to. My reason is that at this point in the thread he is the scummiest. "No way," you say, "he hasn't posted yet!" Often, that is reason enough. Proof of his scumminess is that he is a general liability.

Quack is the sound ducks make. Really though I'm gonna change my vote to Adam there's no way that post is town. Seriously if he was reforming posts he'd reform his post into that post instead of making a complaining post. Trying to get cred when he deserves none. Untie!


Going to gym, fuck the rules. Only got 5 minutes but would like to comment on a few things.

The above is your case against Adam right? I don't consider it the strongest case, as you above seem pretty confident in it, but the fact that he hasn't been back to contribute is pretty un easing. leaning scummy on him right now.

I half agree to what you say about crossfire too blazinghand. His posts were unreadable thats for sure. I had to re-read several paragraphs 3 times before I even understood what the point was, and then it didn't even deliverable the point well -_-. This is more likely xfire posting as town because he was being ridiculous, but I also think there is a possibility he started posting these long unreadable fluffy statements, so that maybe someone else would follow his ridiculous posting style and muck up the town completely. Thats scum intereference. Also, he actually looks to the non-reader, that he is contributing more than most, when really, hes more interested in literary skills and looking town, than actually finding scum.

ATM I would be happy to vote either Xfire or BKE, (which I stated earlier why I thought his fake joke stuff seemed scummy, while his purposely?? getting restrictions wasn't liekly scummy), could go for Adam too, but I would rather wait for him to come into the thread again before doing that.

Gunna lay down a vote Xfire atm. Need to re-read the thread and consider all the options, I have been either asleep or at work for this whole thread thus far.

##Vote Crossfire

Xtremely weird change of opinion, there. You go from saying its scummy to blatantly not follow the alphabet rules, to doing it yourself without any indication why you suddenly don't care anymore. Zero sense does that make.


Again says its weird, not scummy. Just says it makes zero sense. Keirathi has zero desire to get a lynch going today, and he is afraid to commit. Hes leaving himself many avenues open for later when he decides to vote.

On November 02 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:
On November 01 2012 06:55 Blazinghand wrote:
gonzaw-- I'm willing to buy that you did in fact read my post, just not very carefully.

On November 01 2012 01:22 Blazinghand wrote:
The game is fine and all, and if you want to banter and go back and forth, do it. But the terrible lobstrosity of a post that crossfire puked into the thread is the kind of thing that doesn't help. There are times to break the rules. In a way, chezinu knows this better than anyone here, but hes too busy being chezinu to lead town.

breaking the rules is not a scum move, any more than simply not posting for an hour is a scum move. tons of people have 1+ hour gaps in between their craptacularly bad alphabetical posts-- you should just make decent, good posts instead if you're not in the middle of a conversation.


I don't know how this seems to be dogmatically in favor of using the 1-hour wait method at all times or the rhyming method at all times. You should read my posts more clearly and think a bit harder about the game. Part of the reason I'm on your ass is that you're not playing like you normally do. This focus from you, and the lack of serious pressure on multiple targets, that's not like you. The gonzaw I know, when he plays town, has fullisades of questions for everyone. Why just this one Keirathi case? Where's your usual constant interrogation and probing of everyone in the town? I remember your posts as being kinda annoying and having formatting issues, and maybe being unfocused, but also being unrelenting in their pressure on multiple targets. What gives?

Forgive me for not commenting on this sooner sooner, but I just now had the available time to do the research. Go back and look at Aperture 2. He literally made a case/accusation against EVERY SINGLE PLAYER day 1. Its just such a huge disconnect from "everyone is scummy, lets question/accuse them!" to "well, this one guy is kinda scummy because he hasn't posted as much as I expect him to". Just my opinion, but this doesn't really fit the town gonzaw that I remember either.


Again spreading some suspicion on gonzaw. Not saying hes scummy per sae but saying his meta doesn't fit aperature 2. And ALSO he doesn't mention that gonzaw was traitor in aperture 2, and he won with scum, so this meta doesn't even make sense. He doesn't follow up with in game evidence or even ask gonzaw to clarify anything. This brings me to my next point.

Part II - Doesn't fit the meta

Every game I have played with Keirathi he has been very active and has been a major part in pushing discussion. Even if hes not scumhunting hes pushing discussion in strategic ways. This game has been the very opposite. He is a commentator, active, without pushing discussion to actually find scum. That is all I have to say on this, because meta should just be a supportable part not the main part of a case.

Part III - Active Lurker

Keirathi has been actually quite active in this game at many times, however he has only put down a few lines every time he has been here, and choses not to discuss the current parts of the thread. He timeline seems to sprinkle at many times in the thread, indicating he is chosing not to contribute in his normal town manner, or he doesn't overly care about finding scum. Just to separate himself from the major lurkers in this game.

He also has been excessively lazy this game and making excuses.

On October 31 2012 14:02 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 13:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Perhaps click on his profile and check for yourself?

Quite simple really.

Red he has never been.


Sure, I could have checked myself, but you already did the research Totally easier to just ask you to share.


On October 31 2012 13:33 Keirathi wrote:
On October 31 2012 12:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Gosh, what have we here?
On October 31 2012 12:22 Keirathi wrote:
'Sup, everyone. Time to get rid of those pesky musicians.

How have you not posted on what has happened so far? I seem to remember the talkative little townie in Aperature that wasn't afraid to comment on anything.

Keirathi was enjoying some Diablo 3 with a buddy. Looking back over the posts since I chimed it, it doesn't look like theres really a whole lot to comment on. Maybe its just me, but while this posting restriction is very entertaining, its quite hard to say exactly what you mean.


He is apathetic. He knows better than this, there is never gunna be anyting to comment on unless you push the discussion, which keirathi has not beeen trying to do like his normal town self. Making an excuse to blame the mechanics for not posting.

##Unvote
##Vote: Keirathi


[-]

Other stuff:

Alright so Im still not sure on crossfire, but I think there are more likely places to catch scum than him so im taking my vote off him. I can see what hes doing from both alignments, so I shouldn't make a solid choice on only that. His reaction didn't really lead me any further with more of an opinion on him.

Probably 2nd scummiest player imo is BKE, I agree with SnB on his thoughts on him.

Dingaling, is also an option but it would be strictly policy lynch at this point. I think he is more likely unactive than lurking.

When is deadline? 10 hours? We need to somewhat start consolidating or discussing your straight up two best scum reads asaply.

Bottom part is so scummy, because you basically say your vote for Keir isn't pushed by your case but by the lack of Xfire's scummness. Cause of this, it shows me that you have no confidence in this case about Keir, because you had to justify a vote change. Dingaling shouldn't even be included in this post as you already have two scum reads, why would you support a policy lynch when you have two scum?

Eyeing one of Hopeless posts, I noticed I hadn't unvoted and voted is that what you guys are saying Im am being hypocritical on?


Some people pointed it out, but he seems to not really get the point at all and is a very fucking bad reason to vote Mementos.

Not only that but he was absent at all times. Hmm....I could still see him as stupid town but he has very anti-town behaviour to be honest.

I didn't really pay attention to his case on Hopeless since I thought it was just for pressure but apparently he believes it in. I don't see anything scummy in Hopeless nor I dont' see him pushing BKE scummy and it doesn't feel like BKE believes his own case on Hopeless.

Even now he just jumped on Mementos who had a few votes on him and ignored Hopeless at all. I think that makes him more likely scum than Mementos.
Although Mementos did vote BKE too and could have done it just to avoid getting lynched and not just because he thought BKE was scum, but BKE's vote was much more scummy to be honest.





Pre-Edit:
On November 02 2012 09:46 Keirathi wrote:
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On November 02 2012 09:28 Mementoss wrote:
F keirathi made that huge discussion vote but still didn't commit to anyone, hes actually set to be modkilled/replaced at this point.

Give me a little credit. Had something come up right at the end of my time out, and I had to leave for a while longer. I'll consolidate onto BKE, because I believe that the case against him is stronger than the "case" against you. Just to be clear, though, that whole post was me committing to my reads.

##Vote: BroodKingExe



Ah fuck Keirathi hammering BKE?
Argh, does that make BKE town? THe wagon on Mementos was shifty with votes like Chezinu and BKE but this doesn't feel right.

Fuck it

##Vote: Mementos

I'm not too sure about this but this gives me a very bad feeling. Keirathi comes out of nowhere right now only to vote BKE at the last minute? When Keirathi could have voted BKE at any time in the day?

No, BKE can't be scum now. I'm not too sure about mementos but he's a better lynch than BKE now. Yeah I flipflopped about it even in this very post honestly I prefer to take a chance with Mementos

Ah for fucks sake fucking restriction SOMEBODY SWITCH TO MEMENTOS

Ah goddamit
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
November 02 2012 01:02 GMT
#316
Fucking restriction I'm fucking pissed at it.

*sigh* Anyways let's hope for the best here.

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