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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 28 2012 05:29 GMT
#18
/obs
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 28 2012 23:40 GMT
#21
/unobs

/in

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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 29 2012 20:45 GMT
#46
I'm excited!!! :D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 30 2012 04:03 GMT
#51
I think you missed ghost_403, Hopeless1der, and strongandbig.

I also think that finishes the list :D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 30 2012 13:15 GMT
#64
On August 30 2012 21:52 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 30 2012 21:48 Mementoss wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:21 strongandbig wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:04 Blazinghand wrote:
All this and I've been coaching the newbie towns. This newest wave of newbies (some of whom are in this game) will have all kinds of "good" skills and reading comprehension abilities I've passed along to them. Be excited!


"reading comprehension abilities"



By this he means, every time you put together a case that no one else believes just tell them if your wrong you'll eat your hat.


which incidentally guarantees you will be wrong

Ya lose good hats that way
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 02:26 GMT
#80
Hiya. :D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 02:28 GMT
#82
But L likes cake, and I like cake. So I like L.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 02:49 GMT
#98
On August 31 2012 11:46 Hapahauli wrote:
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On August 31 2012 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Zeph is likely to take care of any actual lurking, but Hapa is right. If I'm too silent for too long, I expect to hear about it, preferably before I'm policy lynched for it. I'll apply the same principle to everyone else in the game.


I disagree. No one here is a newbie, and every competent town player should know that lurking is bad in a 24 hour setup. As far as I'm concerned, if someone is not putting in the effort on their own after committing to such an intense setup, they are anti-town and deserve significant suspicion.

I don't want to have to let anyone know. If someone lurks, my "reminder" will be a D1 lynch hammer, and they'll have to claw their way out to survive.

Guess I'm going to have to step it up from previous games. I agree though.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 05:06 GMT
#117
Hi Shady! Long time no see :D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 06:46 GMT
#134
On August 31 2012 14:57 Shady Sands wrote:
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On August 31 2012 14:53 BlackMamba24 wrote:
I've lied as town before, but voting and pushing someone who lies gets you somewhere at least. If that person is town, mafia will likely be the ones pushing LAL the hardest saying that no matter how he justifies it town would never lie and we should lynch them.

In any case, lies deserve more analysis and suspicion than someone not posting for a couple hours. That's all. When I say I could get behind LAL as a policy lynch, I think people should vote and pressure people caught lying to force them to defend themselves and post often. That's the worst case scenario for scum anyway.


Fair enough. You still haven't posted any reads D1 yet. We're more than 12 hours in. What are your reads?

We're actually only about 5 hours into the game atm.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 16:38 GMT
#196
I'm awake and caught up, and should be able to stick around the computer for the rest of the day :D

I don't feel like BMB's case on Hapa is particularly compelling, but given the point in the game that it was written, that's to be expected. I do find it strange that he mentioned Hapa's discussion of lurker policy, again given the point in the game, since that's all there is to talk about. What should Hapa have been discussing instead?

@s&b
I thought Hapa's vote on Hopeless was part of the beginning-of-game banter, so I dismissed it. I actually felt the same way as Hopeless, so Hapa's vote seemed more comical than scummy. I found the entire post to be a null tell.

And I will try to avoid a no-lynch at all cost. I don't like starting D2 without learning anything at the end of D1. I'll find anyone pushing a no-lynch suspicious. Even with a mislynch on a lurker (no, I'm not hoping for a mislynch), someone has to push for it, and that reveals peoples' motivations.

@Hapa
You probably slipped that up because I've been so lurky. I'm awake now though :D
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 17:22 GMT
#208
I don't have enough experience with the game to know whether or not lynching a lurker based on an RNG is more advantageous than voting individually (statistically speaking), but I agree with Hapa that that would deprive us of any information gained from the lynch itself. Whether we get scum or town with the RNG, what does that tell us about everyone else? Only that they've agreed to lynch based on lurking.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 17:25 GMT
#209
What exactly is the Kenpachi rule?
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 19:41 GMT
#240
Thanks for the kenpach rule info Hopeless. I used google because I didn't know it was a TL thing. I'll check TL first next time.

HiroPro's case was convincing. Momentoss seems to be casting a wide net of suspicion without committing to anything. Even his Mr.Zentor vote is just "for now..." He seems indifferent as to who gets lynched.

On September 01 2012 02:07 Mementoss wrote:
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On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:38 Mementoss wrote:
On September 01 2012 01:31 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Momentoss
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&currentpage=10#189

If I'm following you correctly...
1) You don't like Ghost's defense of BMB
2) You think BMB is slighly scummy
3) You think Risen is not behaving like his normal town persona

Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?


Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch.

BMB I'm awaiting a response from.

Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him.

Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game?


The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information.


I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread?

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On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:
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On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote:
I'm not too fond of the way ghost has been defending mamba at every chance he gets. It's fine to defend a player if you don't think they're town but leave it at that. Cause when he comes back to the thread he can just mirror the things that ghost said to defend him, or otherwise there is at least a lot less pressure on him to give an adquete response about his case and such. That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why?

My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much".

I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out.

If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now..

##Vote: Mr.Zentor

Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days.



This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain?


Who dafuq is momen.


I haven't felt like Hapa has been defending Mr.Z at all, but has instead been trying to figure out why Momentoss is voting him instead of any of the other candidates he's mentioned, or even any of the other lurkers. Momentoss then builds this "hard defense" into an associative case where neither of the players involved has flipped (naturally). These claims can be made of anyone who has responded to anything another player has said, and cannot be proven or disproven without a lynch on one of the two involved. In fact, I was lightly involved in the "buddy buddying" around in the beginning, and am now "hard defending" Mr.Z by his logic. Am I next on the scumlist? This line of reasoning may seem like scumhunting but there's nothing to base a read on.

##Vote Momentoss
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 19:56 GMT
#246
My apologies, I'm dumb. I even said it in my head and thought of the movie.

##Vote Mementoss
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
August 31 2012 23:04 GMT
#321
Mementoss's Post

I'll start with why I didn't suspect Shady. Essentially, I find it incredibly difficult to read him this early. He's the player in this game that I have the most experience playing with (most cases against), and his behaviour is incredibly similar to this regardless of his alignment. I've mislynched him for the same reasons I've voted for him when he was scum, and I feel that more information is needed for me to consider him a good lynch.

Now onto why I voted for Mementoss. HiroPro's was the first case I found to be actually convincing. Most of the reasoning is covered in my previous post as well as the original HiroPro post. But my biggest concern was when you tried to tie Hapa and Mr.Z together as a scumteam. I now understand your reasoning based on recent posts, but at the time it seemed like you were just throwing together an associative case with no basis (or at least based on very flimsy support). This was suspicious to me because such a case would require a lynch on one of the people involved to even confirm viability. It's like an "accuse two, lynch one free" case. I generally find them scummy because they're almost pure WIFOM until one of the members flip. There is nothing we can do with such a case without lynching one of them first, and I found the reasons for lynching each individual lackluster.

Mementoss has since addressed my pressing concerns, so now I have to decide which of the other cases I think is most viable.

##Unvote
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 01 2012 01:21 GMT
#459
The vote spread is identical to NMM XXIV, where the top two votes were both townies. After that game it was pointed out that if one of the top votes had been scum, it's likely that there would have been a stronger defense of that candidate. The difference between the two games is that in this case, there was a stronger defense of one candidate. I think that there may have been scum support behind the switch off of Mementoss. The entire situation just feels... wrong to me. I feel manipulated and that always makes me suspicious. I said that he had convinced me of his innocence, but he still sticks out as my top scumread (Yes, I've been caught in a "lie"). I know what effects this can have on my already crappy reputation in this game, but I'm going to...

##Vote Mementoss
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 01 2012 01:30 GMT
#468
On September 01 2012 10:23 Hapahauli wrote:
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On September 01 2012 10:21 mkfuba07 wrote:
The vote spread is identical to NMM XXIV, where the top two votes were both townies. After that game it was pointed out that if one of the top votes had been scum, it's likely that there would have been a stronger defense of that candidate. The difference between the two games is that in this case, there was a stronger defense of one candidate. I think that there may have been scum support behind the switch off of Mementoss. The entire situation just feels... wrong to me. I feel manipulated and that always makes me suspicious. I said that he had convinced me of his innocence, but he still sticks out as my top scumread (Yes, I've been caught in a "lie"). I know what effects this can have on my already crappy reputation in this game, but I'm going to...

##Vote Mementoss


Yo dawg, what do you think of HiroPro, and the strong defense being mounted for him so far?

I'm not convinced by the case. It may be because I have similar feelings in terms of scumreads as HP, aside from this nagging thought that my suspicions haven't been addressed.

On September 01 2012 10:24 Shady Sands wrote:
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On September 01 2012 10:21 mkfuba07 wrote:
The vote spread is identical to NMM XXIV, where the top two votes were both townies. After that game it was pointed out that if one of the top votes had been scum, it's likely that there would have been a stronger defense of that candidate. The difference between the two games is that in this case, there was a stronger defense of one candidate. I think that there may have been scum support behind the switch off of Mementoss. The entire situation just feels... wrong to me. I feel manipulated and that always makes me suspicious. I said that he had convinced me of his innocence, but he still sticks out as my top scumread (Yes, I've been caught in a "lie"). I know what effects this can have on my already crappy reputation in this game, but I'm going to...

##Vote Mementoss


This is just stupid. The only people who swapped off MMToss were you and HP. how could there be scum support?

There were more people defending MMToss than the two of us who switched off. I can think of three people who defended Mementoss when he became my strongest scumread. You don't need to be involved in the vote to defend someone against being lynched.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 01 2012 01:31 GMT
#470
EBWOP: in response to Hapa, I'm not convinced by the case against HiroPro. I have no scumreads that I am entirely confident in, but I do have that nagging feeling regarding Mementoss.
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mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 01 2012 02:22 GMT
#525
You'll have to vote for MMToss at this point to save Palmar, I believe.
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