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Hi guys, this is also my first game but don't hold back o_0 I am in agreement with Scrawn's list: Ways to pressure lurkers: - call them out for lurking - ask them for their top scum reads - ask them for their read on the most popular case - give them a reasonable time to respond to you and keep calling them out - if you can't get a sufficient response from them then a ##FOS Lurker is in order - do not stop scumhunting in order to push your lurker vote candidate Particularly the last point. However, I agree with Dandel Ion in that lurking should contribute to your scum reading, and that lurkers should be prioritised over active scum-like players, as it is the lurking scum that is more dangerous than the active. | ||
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I am not aiming to make an exception for myself, if my posts do not stand strong, lynch me asap. This is simply forewarning that my responses may not be entirely prompt. I look forward to playing with you all! | ||
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If the worst outcome of lurking is to not get lynched, I don't see how town can possibly eventuate victorious. Lurking is an aspect of scum behaviour, or of poor play, and should be treated as such. You seem to propose it as some sort of tie breaking mechanism, but I believe this to be an over-simplification. In day 1, there will be extremely little information to go by. Lurking will almost certainly be the biggest tell as to the value/alignment of a player. | ||
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@Kush So in the few hours this game has been running I have somehow managed to both bandwagon and lurk? This seems brash considering how tentative you have seemed to want to be so far. I have not bandwagoned. The extent of my contribution is having agreed with Scrawn's lurker policy, but also criticised it for being too conservative. I haven't had time to lurk, as afore mentioned I am a busy person who does not have time to sit on this thread all day and respond in real time to every comment. There is also very little to go on at the moment, just because I am not pretending to contribute does not mean that I am not going to actually contribute as soon as I have something to say. Now looky here... I do have something to say!  I think Scrawn is doing a good job as town, this certainly does not mean he is beyond suspicion, but he has been fairly reasonable up until now. I do however, disagree with Lvdr's assessment of Shady Sands. He has been very critical so far, but nothing he has said comes to mind as particularly proactive (I'll eat my word if he can give me a counter-example). In particular, his critique of Lvdr's comment: filter On August 24 2012 08:54 Lvdr wrote: 'Having learned from hapa, I think mafia tend to be pretty lurky in newbie games. Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game.' He said: 'I'm confused here: you seem to be implying that D1 lurker lynch and scumhunting are mutually exclusive. How?' This seems like empty criticism, as he almost seems to deliberately misinterpret the statement in order to give himself something to say. If Lvdr thinks we should lynch lurkers, but not give up actively scumhunting in order to do this, then it does not at all seem that he is suggesting these two things are mutually exclusive. Yet this is what Shady seems to suggest. Furthermore, Lvdr has played with Shady before, and claims that Shady should by now have an idea of Lvdr's policy preference. Soon afterwards, he had the following criticism of Fubu's post: On August 24 2012 06:30 mkfuba07 wrote: 'Hi everyone! I'm going to second everything that thrawn has said, as well as mention that this goes for night as well as day. As long as we keep the scumhunting going during the day, I think the conversation will carry over into night as well. Let's just make sure we keep it up!' He wrote: ':S I don't get what you're trying to say here. If you believe the scumhunting convo will carry automatically from day to night, then why do you need to encourage activity specifically during the night as well?' This is an accurate criticism, but not particularly useful. IMO (and fubu feel free to step in and correct me) Fubu's post was poorly written and he mistakenly made his both a descriptive and prescriptive assertion: that we will all look for scum during the night and that we should all look for scum in the day and the night. If my interpretation is correct, then this is a completely understandable mistake and speaks extremely little of some scummy motivation he may or may not have. So far I have shown you two examples of what I believe are needlessly critical posts, that is: posts that are needlessly skeptical of things that will not help us catch scum. Now, as WeeTe has already mentioned, posting lots is generally attributed to town behaviour. However, posting lots of unproductive criticism seems like the sort of thing a scum would do to look like town but not contribute to the lynching of scum. FoS Shady Sands I would like to note that I am the first person to my knowledge that is acting against Shady, and IMO I am the first person to put up a decent reason to actually suspect anyone. I'm gonna get back to study, and I'll likely be unable to post for the next 11 hours, at which point I'll go through a read and post before heading to bed. | ||
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I hope I'm using the tags correctly now... As I will probably be unable to respond to any criticism immediately for the next 10.5 hours, it would be lovely if any comments directed at me could be made quite salient. I'll be tired when I get home and deciphering pages and pages of text can be difficult without cues. @Kush So in the few hours this game has been running I have somehow managed to both bandwagon and lurk? This seems brash considering how tentative you have seemed to want to be so far. I have not bandwagoned. The extent of my contribution is having agreed with Scrawn's lurker policy, but also criticised it for being too conservative. I haven't had time to lurk, as afore mentioned I am a busy person who does not have time to sit on this thread all day and respond in real time to every comment. There is also very little to go on at the moment, just because I am not pretending to contribute does not mean that I am not going to actually contribute as soon as I have something to say. Now looky here... I do have something to say! I think Scrawn is doing a good job as town, this certainly does not mean he is beyond suspicion, but he has been fairly reasonable up until now. I do however, disagree with Lvdr's assessment of Shady Sands. He has been very critical so far, but nothing he has said comes to mind as particularly proactive (I'll eat my word if he can give me a counter-example). In particular, his critique of Lvdr's comment: filter On August 24 2012 08:54 Lvdr wrote: Having learned from hapa, I think mafia tend to be pretty lurky in newbie games. Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game. He said: I'm confused here: you seem to be implying that D1 lurker lynch and scumhunting are mutually exclusive. How? This seems like empty criticism, as he almost seems to deliberately misinterpret the statement in order to give himself something to say. If Lvdr thinks we should lynch lurkers, but not give up actively scumhunting in order to do this, then it does not at all seem that he is suggesting these two things are mutually exclusive. Yet this is what Shady seems to suggest. Furthermore, Lvdr has played with Shady before, and claims that Shady should by now have an idea of Lvdr's policy preference. Soon afterwards, he had the following criticism of Fubu's post: On August 24 2012 06:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi everyone! I'm going to second everything that thrawn has said, as well as mention that this goes for night as well as day. As long as we keep the scumhunting going during the day, I think the conversation will carry over into night as well. Let's just make sure we keep it up! He wrote: :S I don't get what you're trying to say here. If you believe the scumhunting convo will carry automatically from day to night, then why do you need to encourage activity specifically during the night as well? This is an accurate criticism, but not particularly useful. IMO (and fubu feel free to step in and correct me) Fubu's post was poorly written and he mistakenly made his both a descriptive and prescriptive assertion: that we will all look for scum during the day and the night and that we should all look for scum in the day and the night. If my interpretation is correct, then this is a completely understandable mistake and speaks extremely little of some scummy motivation he may or may not have. So far I have shown you two examples of what I believe are needlessly critical posts, that is: posts that are needlessly skeptical of things that will not help us catch scum. Now, as WeeTe has already mentioned, posting lots is generally attributed to town behaviour. However, posting lots of unproductive criticism seems like the sort of thing a scum would do to look like town but not contribute to the lynching of scum. FoS Shady Sands I would like to note that I am the first person to my knowledge that is acting against Shady, and IMO I am the first person to put up a decent reason to actually suspect anyone. I'm gonna get back to study, and I'll likely be unable to post for the next 11 hours, at which point I'll go through a read and post before heading to bed. | ||
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Sorry guys I ended up being so tired after getting home from work that I just went to bed. I am not entirely happy with the progress made on this thread in my absence, but this is more because I don't have a clear read on anyone after a quick read through than any lack of effort on the part of you guys. I should probably stop expecting people to do my work for me :/ I'll give you a quick update on my thoughts after one read through, and then double back and read it again to try and pick up on anything I've missed. The case of Kush: I think Kush is playing so fast and loose that if he is Mafia a) nobody will take him seriously enough to allow him to influence their reads. The Mafia need to convince the town to mislynch, otherwise probability dictates the town will most likely lynch the mafia by accident. b) We will know when he does not come through with the 5min jailing plan. If he is town, he is likely JK, so either the mafia will use a shot on him, or we have a JK. Either is better than lynching him. In summary, we stand to gain more by letting a town Kush live than we stand to lose by letting a scum kush live. On top of this, I'm not the only one getting a null read on him as a pressured newbie, and probability dictates that all else being equal (which a null read is), the odds of him actually being scum are only 25%. IMO any more time spent on Kush until night time is time wasted. I'll be posting my other reads shortly. | ||
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That summary made no sense. I meant to say: We have less to lose by allowing a scum kush live than we have by lynching a town kush. | ||
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His response to my earlier case is very reasonable, but also applies to any pointlessly critical behaviour. My read on Shady has gone back to relatively neutral, but I'll be keeping an eye on him, and I suggest we all do the same (though this goes without saying I guess). I do not like how he simultaneously asserts we should ignore Kush, but then votes for him. I'll be going over this in my second reading. The following players I am finding difficulty in getting a feel for: Fubu Dandel Ion Alsn Lvdr Dandel Ion and Fubu I believe have posted relatively little substance, I might be wrong, but this is just my gut feeling after my quick read through. I'll do another read through soon to confirm. I am not sure on the content of Alsn and Lvdr, I am having a lot of difficulty keeping them apart in my mind as they both have names consisting of four random letters. I'll try and pay more attention to them on my second run. Thrawn seems okay so far. I'm getting a mild town read on him, but just as with Shady, I'll be keeping an eye on him, as I believe his experience and current position would make for a particularly dangerous mafia if he happens to be one. At this moment in time, my biggest scum read is WeeTee. He has been lurking pretty hard and contributed only vague assertions, as well as dodging requests for him to make reads. He may be very busy, but IMO he needs to put more in before he is bandwagoned for a (mis)lynch. | ||
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I am going to argue for a defense of WeeTee and Kush, and for a lynching of either Dandel Ion or Shady Sands. If you have time to spare please consider getting familiar with the filter's of these individuals. | ||
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My position at the moment is that both Kush and WeeTee are town, or at least not threats. I will most likely be voting for either Dandel Ion or Shady Sands, and will try my utmost to convince you guys to do so too. First, I will argue in defence of Kush, and then extend this defence to WeeTee by means of this precedent. Kush is town. He is THE most town person here, the only person you can be certain of being town other than yourself (I won’t bother addressing this to any scum reading this). This may seem counter intuitive to some, as he has done little in the way of pro-town behaviour. The reason he is almost certainly town is because he is the only one willing and able to prove it. If he is mafia, as soon as the clock ticks over to morning and he hasn’t jailed an individual that he specifies five minutes prior. Think about the way he has been acting. As previously mentioned by someone (I can’t remember who), Kush is acting alone. He has obviously not taken as much time to read through the newbie guides, nor has he spent much time looking through filters. If he had taken this time, he would not be in the predicament he is in. People that have not taken time to consider the meta, and are not of a systematic nature, would act exactly in accordance with the behaviour that has been demonstrated by Kush. A person who has his own private mafia buddy would be better informed of the norm and act accordingly: more cautiously, more precisely, and would premeditate his actions to a far greater degree. Kush has been knee-jerking at every mention of his name faster than an epileptic watching river dance. He has no plans, no grasp of norms of town and scum behaviour, and seems to be taking a lot of the attacks on him a great deal more personally than is healthy. The alternative explanations are that he is good mafia, or that he is bad mafia. We can rule out that he is a good mafia. It would take a genius to feign this level of incompetence in order to be read as town, but a genius mafia would not then put himself in the position of having to prove he is JK or be lynched. This leaves the possibility of him being bad mafia. If he is bad mafia, we will know soon when he fails to meet his part of the bargain, and we will have our lynch for day two, and will be in a four town to one mafia position come day three, which statistically favours the town more heavily than our starting position of seven town to two mafia. If this outcome eventuates, the town is ahead of schedule for scum lynching and should have enough information by then to close the deal. So Kush is bad town (and likely to be shot for rolecalling). Take a minute to consider my argument so far. Do you agree? If not, why not? If so, think about how Kush’s behaviour mirrors WeeTee’s, and how fortunate it is that Kush just happened to be JK, giving us grounds not to mislynch him on day one. You done? Now, if you can accept that Kush is almost certainly town, doesn’t this make it entirely believable that WeeTee is also town? With the exception of his most recent post, WeeTee has demonstrated behaviour nearly identical to Kush. While Kush was unwilling to jump into the fray, claiming he didn’t have much to say. WeeTee has largely lurked with the intermittent injection of some vague uneducated insights, which, if you are in the business of motive attribution (if you haven’t figured it out already, you are!) is operationally identical to Kush’s early town play. He is likely a bored vanilla towney who, having probably been too proud to read the guides or ask for coaching, does not have the first idea about how to go about the business of hunting scum. There is no driving force in his posts other than to not be lynched, and without a fundamental understanding of what behaviour constitutes a tell for one alignment or the other, it is no wonder the prevalent elements of his posting style constitute knee-jerk kicks to the shins of anyone calling him out. Their two styles are equivalent in game output: they contribute little, and as a result are targeted by nitpicky mafia and desperate-for-clues townies alike. I hope that this err… essay… I hope to have convinced you not to lynch either of our most inept junior members. In part two, I will attempt to give you a more suitable target in either Dandel Ion or Shady Sands. This will likely take even more time and words than my defence of kush and WeeTee, but I shall not rest until it is done! As a disclaimer, I’d like to address the two people I just ruthlessly dismissed as incompetent. While the psychological models pertaining to learning style aptitudes (kinaesthetic learners, visual learners etc.) are largely bunk, it is true that people differ in their approach to learning. Many people including myself approach a new challenge with the intention of learning everything we can about it so as not to look incapable, while others prefer to learn by trial and error, it is the latter group in which I would likely put both WeeTee and Kush. While it is obvious to the people here that you are not as competent in this initial newbie game, I would attribute this to your learning style preference and effort involved rather than any innate incapacity, and so would advise you not to be discouraged by the tirades of criticism but to learn from them. Stay tuned folks! | ||
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IMO Kush's overconfident reads were overreactions to criticisms of his complacence. His initial stance was that he did not know what to do, and to his credit he at least did not pretend that he did. Your attacks on WeeTee assume a pattern of systematic and rational cognitive style which I am almost certain is not the case. He is spontaneous and in over his head, with A LOT of information to sift through that is probably largely meaningless or confusing. My last post was almost exactly the equivalent size of a first year university paper, and it was one post in approximately 270. Look at his last post, this is post-attitude adjustment and yet it is more characteristic of a stream of consciousness exercise than a coherent argument for his continued survival. While your point that he has repeatedly failed to give a read on Lvdr is completely reasonable, it is entirely understandable that a person who is struggling to make sense of a new environment is having difficulty conforming to a yet more demanding and arbitrary criteria of assessment of said environment. Even an incompetent scum would at least take the time to address a repeated criticism so as not to leave it hanging in the air begging questions. This epic a violation of the norm speaks almost certainly of a disinterested townie than an inept scum. I find it much more reasonable to assume that he simply does not have much to say about Lvdr and is bad at communicating this fact, than that he is a disinterested or incapable scum. WeeTee, you are doing yourself no favours by leaving this to hang. Please make your position here clear! I am bolding this shit so you no longer have an excuse!! | ||
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This means we need to lynch someone and fast! I will start with my case against Shady Sands as I have already pressured him a tad whereas my interaction with Dandel Ion has been null. My initial case on Shady was the identification of the following two attacks as critical but unproductive and befitting a scummy motive to appear town while picking apart scapegoats more than a town motive of actual productivity: Lvdr: Having learned from hapa, I think mafia tend to be pretty lurky in newbie games. Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game. To which Shady responded: I'm confused here: you seem to be implying that D1 lurker lynch and scumhunting are mutually exclusive. How? …and Fuba: Hi everyone! I'm going to second everything that thrawn has said, as well as mention that this goes for night as well as day. As long as we keep the scumhunting going during the day, I think the conversation will carry over into night as well. Let's just make sure we keep it up! To which Shady responded :S I don't get what you're trying to say here. If you believe the scumhunting convo will carry automatically from day to night, then why do you need to encourage activity specifically during the night as well? I gave a scum read on this as I characterised this as nonuseful nit-picking. I was admittedly over-confident in this read, as I had not thought of the possible long-term motive of Shady to detect seemingly unimportant discrepancies in player stories. I later withdrew my FoS from Shady thinking myself to have been over-eager. I stand by my withdrawal for my attack on the first critique on Lvdr, as his response: On accusing Lvdr: I saw a policy disagreement developing in the thread--between leaning towards lurker lynching versus scumhunting--and I wanted to make sure Lvdr wasn't trying to unfairly equivocate on it. basically, in questions of policy, if someone posts on it, the post should have a clear preference one way or another so that we can judge their later play against their policy prefs--or combine them in such a way to have a clear lean in terms of policy, again, so we can judge their later play against their earlier view on policy. Lvdr's post didn't do that--it just balanced between the two while also saying they were different. I personally feel the two should be balanced but combined, so I wanted to see if Lvdr wanted to keep the two parts separate. -is a consistent explanation of a town Shady’s behaviour. Consider this point dropped as I will pursue it no further. His explanation for his critique on fuba however: On Fuba: most of my doubts on Fuba have gone away by now, but at the time, I thought that Fuba's emphasis on night activity itself is scummy. Scum have greater power to use and abuse the thread than town does at night, so encouraging heavy activity at night without saying daytime activity is more important hands an edge to scum. But given that was his first post I didn't want to push him too hard on it. -is flaky. It’s not enough that he changed his mind about Fuba (switching sides without adequate justification is considered scummy anyway), his initial read on Fuba was irrational and his attention to this detail looks exactly like Shady was sowing the seeds of discord. What exactly did Shady think Fuba’s intention was here? To somehow kill town activity in the day by emphasising the nightlife? This does not make sense and fits a motive of appearing critical while achieving nothing. I am not at all satisfied with this answer and I demand a better explanation. In the same post, Shady shifts his attention to Kush: Now, moving to Kush: Kush is running the classic "bad townie" defense. It's an argument where the poster says: 1) I am a bad townie 2) People are just targeting me because I'm a bad townie, and hence easy to lynch 3) Those people must be targeting me because I'm easy, and not because they actually think I'm scum 4) Because those people aren't targeting me because I'm scum, then they must be trying to trick town 5) They must be scum. This is a really bad defense because every links 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4 are all not 100% airtight. Hence Kush's entire defense, to me, is a wash--it neither makes him look scummier, nor makes him look like more of a townie. If Kush keeps posting like this, though, then I'm probably going to vote him because my initial read will be unchanged. But if Kush decides to start posting coherent, long cases backed by logic instead of OMGUS, then I might change my mind. I have outlined my reasons for why Kush is almost certainly town. Shady is one of the more experienced players here, and yet got a complete opposite read? Shady’s argument is quite well reasoned, and is correct in that Kush’s defence is piss weak. The problem is, it is not a valid argument that a person who is bad at the game is scum, and this argument is exactly the sort a scum would employ to provoke a seemingly reasonable misunderstanding and subsequent mislynch. Lvdr wrote: @shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie. please read. To which Shady responds: Wait a second. You do a town call on me, knowing full well it's early for a town call, just so you can trap people later, then when no one falls for your trap you turn around and FoS me? This makes a lot of sense. Not. The thing is… it does make sense. Lvdr made a non-committal play against Shady, in order to generate discussion and hunt scum. This does not give Shady some sort of amnesty from actually being scum. Lvdr had a legitimate reason to FoS Shady, it is one of the reasons I am FoSing him myself! Next… Again, my PoV on Kush is that 1) His post quality is so poor that spending an excessive amount of time analyzing he's guilty or not will be counterproductive. 2) His roleclaim does not sound like a confused townie to me--it sounds like a scum looking to bait a counter-claim. 3) We shouldn't necessarily give him the benefit of the doubt just because he sounds like a bad townie. To paraphrase: 1) Kush is bad so we should not think about whether he is guilty before we lynch him. Time spent thinking about whether we should lynch him is time wasted because in the end we will lynch him regardless? This is despite the fact that by voting now without further thought, I am ruling out the possibility of thinking about other potential lynches. The cost is too high! 2) Despite the potential exposure of 50% of the mafia in this game, I am certain that Kush would roleclaim for the faintest whiff of a hint of who the town blues are. 3) We should ignore his potential motives and remove all doubt from our minds. This is garbage. Shady is an experienced player who should be able to imagine alternate motives. This IMO is a clumsy misdirection attempt. The next evidence I present is what seems to be a weak case against Lvdr: I'm going to start with this post by Lvdr as to why we should lynch him after we lynch Kush. Lvdr is saying that he did a town read on me and FoS'd mkfuba to "spark discussion". He didn't actually mean it--or at least, he didn't mean it as strongly as he made the town think. Basically, he lied. One thing that I feel even more strongly about than lynching lurkers is lynching liars. That's strike one against Lvdr here. Strike two-- He dumps accusations everywhere. On me, on mkfuba, on kush--and then lifts them as quickly as he dumps them. Pointing fingers everywhere on minimal evidence is usually a scumtell. Scum want to make town spend more time defending itself than hunting scum. Strike three-- This is what I don't get from Lvdr. He accuses mkfuba and kush weakly, leaves the thread, then comes back and calls townie on them, saying that his earlier reads were to spark discussion bullshit. Nothing mkfuba has done in the intervening 20 hours justifies this backtracking from his earlier FoS, much less Kush. Instead, Lvdr just implicitly asserts it. Why is this wierd? Because any player who was basing his reads off evidence would follow up on the FoS, see that mkfuba hasn't done anything that screams pro-town. And I'm still not sure how Lvdr could just wholly dismiss his earlier FoS on kush on any reasonable basis when the only evidence Kush has provided is an extremely weak JK claim. Basically, when you look at how rapidly Lvdr shifts his accusations around, it almost looks like he's playing with prior knowledge of who is town. This is the clearest and biggest scumtell in the book. Even if you buy that on Kush, how could he just dump the FoS he's given with the weak excuse that he was trying to spark discussion, without even discussing what happened to his targets that made him drop the FoS? His first point is that Lvdr lied and lying is scummy. This is rubbish. Lvdr’s intention falls neither clearly under scum nor town, but the fact that he explicitly admits the lie speaks of a lack of premeditation that would characterise scummy play. Is Shady suggesting that Lvdr planned to lie to create discord, then tell us about the lie to remove any Fos from him? What’s the point? By revealing the lie Lvdr sacrifices any premises that were relying on it, the only consequent we are left with is the subsequent discussion which speaks of a teleological town play. Narrowing in on a lie simply because it is a lie ignores the intent of the lie and therefore almost deliberately leads conversation down a dead-end. This is scummy play. His second point is that Lvdr dumps accusations everywhere and then withdraws them. I do not consider this read strong nor the implications falsifiable. It is true that it is normal for scum to not hold solid opinions, as this would make them accountable for their actions. It is also true that on the first day most people are going to feign confidence in order to stimulate discussion, when they don't really have that much to go on. Yet again there is an alternate explanation that Shady has simply refused to consider... His third point is basically conjecture following from his other false premises, e.g. that the case on Kush is actually worth pursuing prior to day 2 etc. The consistent elements of Shady’s play are: 1) A knee-jerk reaction policy against any form of dishonesty regardless of the underlying intention. A scum only needs to be sure that both his friend and himself are not going to lurk, and then they have license to interrogate lazy townies in the name of the town. This is not a good criteria for certified town excellence. Likewise, it is relatively easy for scum to not get caught in a lie that early in a game. Having this sort of warped black-and-white view is a great cover for picking on new players while keeping the focus of actual scum. 2) A tendency to pick easy lynches. I am desperately trying to prevent what I think is the mislynching of both Kush and WeeTee. It is not an easy path and I can more than understand lazier townies taking the path of least resistance. We have a time limit here, do not for a second think that mislynching less able town on day one is a good start. Think long and hard on what possible motives an experienced town player would have for taking the easiest mislynch possible. 3) He does not present falsifiable reads. He barely raises a finger to rule out possible intentions, while casting blame on people for actions which have multiple interpretations. In contrast, I clearly state a soon to be confirmed read on Kush, I rule out alternate hypotheses, and I move in people’s defence when they are being attacked unfairly. All my actions speak of town play, and all my town motivated reads on Shady have come up scummy. Yes I am appealing to my credibility, but I do so in a way that is direct and rational and I challenge you to question my assertions. 4) A blasé approach to who gets lynched. Experienced townies should feel the time constraints placed upon them to accurately identify scum. Shady does not act as if he cares, pooling in against the easiest target that happens to walk by. Read his filter and see! 5) Filling up the thread with calls to action for other members, and only flimsy and biased readings of his own. Again, look at his filter! Now it's 2:30am and I just spent a looong time on this game. I was planning on writing a case against Dandel Ion but quite frankly I doubt there is any point in light of my case on Shady. If I survive the night shootings I will probably pursue him on the morrow if new data does not lead me down a different path. Please people, I am spending a lot of time and effort trying to rip this game open, at least read through the posts that took me infinitely longer to write. Do so with a critical eye as I have no reason to shy away. Goodnight! | ||
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I am not at all happy with how this went down, if I had have been here I probably could have got the bandwagon onto Dandel Ion, which was IMO a much, much better lynch. This is particularly infuriating considering I was going to make a case vs Dandel but my protection of Kush and WeeTee, and my case against Shady, took far too long, and by this time I was pretty much in a zombie state. Okay it is night time so we need to adjust our scopes and think about night play. - The JK is almost certainly going to use his action to prove his innocence, that is, the Kush debacle. The town may want to consider trusting Kush to try and actually make use of his ability, I personally believe Kush to be the least questionable town due to his willingness to prove it. If WeeTee was town, then Kush is almost certainly town. We should, if possible, try to utilise him while we have him, rather than wasting valuable JK actions on proving an already certain town to be town. - I want people to focus in on Shady and Dandel, I will eat my hat without sauce or water if both of these players flip green. | ||
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Spaghetticus
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I do not know exactly what time you need to do this, I suggest you use the query font (I believe it is green and bolded) to ask a mod who would know this thing. | ||
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Spaghetticus
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Their is also an impending nightkilling, so if you are town, you should make sure you get everything off your chest now as there is a real possibility you won't get the chance to say it. I am gonna go get some brekky and mull over the lynching for awhile. | ||
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