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Some interesting ladder numbers from sc2ranks.

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Dephy
Profile Joined January 2011
Lithuania163 Posts
July 01 2012 21:45 GMT
#1
Currently Globaly in GM there are 37.3% (379) Protoss, 36.1% (366) Zerg, , 24.8% (252) Terran.

On European server there is lowest amount of Gm terrans between all servers (38terrans).

In top 2500 global master ranking there are 35.9% (643) Protoss, 36.7% (657) Zerg, 25.8% (462) Terran.

Interesting ladder numbers considering recent terrans performances and balance whining by top terran pro gamers(Example "zergs since the patch have been really good" "there seems to be something wrong with zerg" - Benjamin "Demuslim" Baker).
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
July 01 2012 21:46 GMT
#2
Yeah.... and now?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
July 01 2012 21:49 GMT
#3
Don't worry, Terran is going to be nerfed anyway.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
July 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#4
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
July 01 2012 21:53 GMT
#5
Don't worry they ll fix legendaries and Pvp is coming soon.
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
July 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#6
On July 02 2012 06:53 Ambre wrote:
Don't worry they ll fix legendaries and Pvp is coming soon.


Blizzard!
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
July 01 2012 21:57 GMT
#7
Haven't there already been like 10 threads on this kind of thing? I think this will probably get closed
stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
July 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#8
On July 02 2012 06:51 Cokefreak wrote:
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.


It is an argument in it self that the game is imbalanced. Where the number of Terran progamers is highest, and thre amount of participation in Grand Master League is lowest.
When Demuslim looses to some random zerg twice in the WSC qualifyer ...
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
July 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#9
T has always been underrepresented in GM in europe and NA at least, (not in Korea though). TvZ is obviously very hard for terrans at the moment and further decreases the amounts of terran GMs, ie nothing suprising. I don't think anyone can really argue that it's balanced at this current point, one can though argue that it will be balanced without patches when terran discovers a new way to play.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 01 2012 22:00 GMT
#10
Stats look good, seriously.


For Zerg and Protoss lol.
buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:04:02
July 01 2012 22:03 GMT
#11
i don't really see what conclusion we're supposed to draw from this. i have noticed that there are very few terrans on the ladder -- i even did a chi-squared test on several weeks of my own EU ladder games the other day (playing masters and a few high diamonds) and it was significantly different from 33/33/33 distribution of races, with terran being very low. there was the whole 'where have the terrans gone' panic long before the latest patch hit, though, so people who interpret this as a balance issue need more evidence than just raw % terrans in a league.
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
July 01 2012 22:04 GMT
#12
I think you are confusing interesting with boring.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
July 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#13
On July 02 2012 06:58 stillborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 06:51 Cokefreak wrote:
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.


It is an argument in it self that the game is imbalanced. Where the number of Terran progamers is highest, and thre amount of participation in Grand Master League is lowest.

When someone takes GM as some proof of imbalance if only prooves they are pretty clueless...
When Demuslim looses to some random zerg twice in the WSC qualifyer ...

This only makes you sound like an angry Demu fan.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
July 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#14
Another passive-aggressive balance post, how many more do we need on TL and Reddit?
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
July 01 2012 22:07 GMT
#15
Yeah, they forgot to change bunkers last patch.. Next patch this will be fixed!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
July 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#16
Terrans are struggling? Yes. Imbalance? Who Knows. Wait a little more than a month and see how it goes? Sounds like a plan.
"Right on" - Morrow
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:11:17
July 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#18
It's not a real balance patch without a bunker nerf.

"bunker replaced with sandbags, sandbags costs 10 minerals and increases Marine armor by 2--two marines fit into sandbag wall"
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Elldar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden287 Posts
July 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#19
Number of players in certain leagues, doesn't say squat about balance. It doesn't take into account factors if some race has more players playing it, and skill of the players playing that race.
Win rates between equally skilled players is more significant than how many that plays a certain race.

If you see to the fact that less players is in gm or m you can just argue that terran players is more unskilled as you can argue that is the other races that is imbalanced, so it is a poor measurement for imbalance.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:13:04
July 01 2012 22:12 GMT
#20
I don't think Blizzard care about "interesting" numbers too. Back when MC was complaining, there were, I think, 6-8 terrans in top10 gm in KR. Nothing happened.
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