• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:50
CEST 21:50
KST 04:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier2Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League49Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War144
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins Server Blocker SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Do we even care about balance? BW General Discussion SOOP Announces New Women's Monthly Tournament Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Women's StarCraft] Tier 8 CK 2026-10-20 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11176 users

Some interesting ladder numbers from sc2ranks.

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
Dephy
Profile Joined January 2011
Lithuania163 Posts
July 01 2012 21:45 GMT
#1
Currently Globaly in GM there are 37.3% (379) Protoss, 36.1% (366) Zerg, , 24.8% (252) Terran.

On European server there is lowest amount of Gm terrans between all servers (38terrans).

In top 2500 global master ranking there are 35.9% (643) Protoss, 36.7% (657) Zerg, 25.8% (462) Terran.

Interesting ladder numbers considering recent terrans performances and balance whining by top terran pro gamers(Example "zergs since the patch have been really good" "there seems to be something wrong with zerg" - Benjamin "Demuslim" Baker).
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
July 01 2012 21:46 GMT
#2
Yeah.... and now?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
July 01 2012 21:49 GMT
#3
Don't worry, Terran is going to be nerfed anyway.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 01 2012 21:51 GMT
#4
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
July 01 2012 21:53 GMT
#5
Don't worry they ll fix legendaries and Pvp is coming soon.
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
July 01 2012 21:55 GMT
#6
On July 02 2012 06:53 Ambre wrote:
Don't worry they ll fix legendaries and Pvp is coming soon.


Blizzard!
Twelve12
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia268 Posts
July 01 2012 21:57 GMT
#7
Haven't there already been like 10 threads on this kind of thing? I think this will probably get closed
stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
July 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#8
On July 02 2012 06:51 Cokefreak wrote:
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.


It is an argument in it self that the game is imbalanced. Where the number of Terran progamers is highest, and thre amount of participation in Grand Master League is lowest.
When Demuslim looses to some random zerg twice in the WSC qualifyer ...
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
July 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#9
T has always been underrepresented in GM in europe and NA at least, (not in Korea though). TvZ is obviously very hard for terrans at the moment and further decreases the amounts of terran GMs, ie nothing suprising. I don't think anyone can really argue that it's balanced at this current point, one can though argue that it will be balanced without patches when terran discovers a new way to play.
RandomAccount#106470
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 01 2012 22:00 GMT
#10
--- Nuked ---
buckKeefe
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States63 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:04:02
July 01 2012 22:03 GMT
#11
i don't really see what conclusion we're supposed to draw from this. i have noticed that there are very few terrans on the ladder -- i even did a chi-squared test on several weeks of my own EU ladder games the other day (playing masters and a few high diamonds) and it was significantly different from 33/33/33 distribution of races, with terran being very low. there was the whole 'where have the terrans gone' panic long before the latest patch hit, though, so people who interpret this as a balance issue need more evidence than just raw % terrans in a league.
tymt
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden293 Posts
July 01 2012 22:04 GMT
#12
I think you are confusing interesting with boring.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
July 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#13
On July 02 2012 06:58 stillborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 06:51 Cokefreak wrote:
So how exactly are these numbers "interesting"? Some balance whining and "recent terrans performances" hardly qualifies as an argument.


It is an argument in it self that the game is imbalanced. Where the number of Terran progamers is highest, and thre amount of participation in Grand Master League is lowest.

When someone takes GM as some proof of imbalance if only prooves they are pretty clueless...
When Demuslim looses to some random zerg twice in the WSC qualifyer ...

This only makes you sound like an angry Demu fan.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
July 01 2012 22:05 GMT
#14
Another passive-aggressive balance post, how many more do we need on TL and Reddit?
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
July 01 2012 22:07 GMT
#15
Yeah, they forgot to change bunkers last patch.. Next patch this will be fixed!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
July 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#16
Terrans are struggling? Yes. Imbalance? Who Knows. Wait a little more than a month and see how it goes? Sounds like a plan.
"Right on" - Morrow
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:11:17
July 01 2012 22:09 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
July 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#18
It's not a real balance patch without a bunker nerf.

"bunker replaced with sandbags, sandbags costs 10 minerals and increases Marine armor by 2--two marines fit into sandbag wall"
By the truth we are undone. Life is a dream. Tis waking that kills us. He who robs us of our dreams robs us of our life --Orlando: A Biography
Elldar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden287 Posts
July 01 2012 22:10 GMT
#19
Number of players in certain leagues, doesn't say squat about balance. It doesn't take into account factors if some race has more players playing it, and skill of the players playing that race.
Win rates between equally skilled players is more significant than how many that plays a certain race.

If you see to the fact that less players is in gm or m you can just argue that terran players is more unskilled as you can argue that is the other races that is imbalanced, so it is a poor measurement for imbalance.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 22:13:04
July 01 2012 22:12 GMT
#20
I don't think Blizzard care about "interesting" numbers too. Back when MC was complaining, there were, I think, 6-8 terrans in top10 gm in KR. Nothing happened.
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 40m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 543
UpATreeSC 96
BRAT_OK 48
JuggernautJason45
MindelVK 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 642
ProTech163
Mind 84
Dota 2
syndereN238
Counter-Strike
fl0m1449
Fnx 1059
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0172
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3875
Liquid`Hasu439
Trikslyr92
Other Games
summit1g2310
FrodaN977
Beastyqt702
B2W.Neo531
Pyrionflax201
Railgan4
ZombieGrub3
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV250
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hinosc 35
• Reevou 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 23
• blackmanpl 22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade419
Other Games
• imaqtpie1091
• Shiphtur637
• WagamamaTV327
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
4h 40m
The PondCast
14h 10m
Kung Fu Cup
15h 10m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 15h
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
FEL
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
FEL
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.