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Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
July 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#61
On July 02 2012 07:36 Otolia wrote:
The biggest problem is that there isn't any good terran in EU except for the Empire terrans.


Yes and every single EU Zerg/Protoss are amazing.

When someone said (or even says now) that about korean Terrans, you all start bitching and crying about other races being UP. Where's the consistency? Stop being such fucking hypocrites.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#62
Terran is in a bit of trouble right now but new styles will develop. This whining is stupid.

Terran has dominated most of SC2; time to suck it up and go through a tough patch. Yeah, if you're a pro I can see the frustration, but outside of that stop crying.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
July 01 2012 23:04 GMT
#63
On July 02 2012 07:58 CScythe wrote:
It's cute that the terrans are only now realizing that balance means their race is not more powerful than the others.

As cute as Zergs realizing that maybe they in fact don't have to worry anymore while playing the game. They all have such peaceful smiles when they go to bed, I wouldn't want to hurt that, they have suffered enough already, they deserve some rest.
sewergoat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
July 01 2012 23:05 GMT
#64
lol and i thought that people were sick of gomtvt......
Silence is better than bullshit
Torra
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway469 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 23:06:50
July 01 2012 23:06 GMT
#65
On July 02 2012 07:10 Elldar wrote:
Number of players in certain leagues, doesn't say squat about balance. It doesn't take into account factors if some race has more players playing it, and skill of the players playing that race.
Win rates between equally skilled players is more significant than how many that plays a certain race.

If you see to the fact that less players is in gm or m you can just argue that terran players is more unskilled as you can argue that is the other races that is imbalanced, so it is a poor measurement for imbalance.

So basically he's saying that terran was never OP, we were just better players. kk.
NaEjeOn88
Profile Joined August 2011
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 23:13:17
July 01 2012 23:11 GMT
#66
Terrans are performing bad therefor people are choosing other races. Terran is simply the hardest race to play in the game. Cant win vs Protoss death ball, and too many holes in TvZ thanks to the new queens.

I am one of the Terrans who just recently switched to Zerg and im doing quite well now :D. Im higher ranked now as Zerg then I ever was as Terran lol.

Everytime I get a Terran on ladder....I chuckle ^^;; Free points
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 01 2012 23:11 GMT
#67
gm is a very good indication of skill, if you are good enough you will be promoted and if you are not you won't. When you see that the top 200 players from each region have a disproportionate number of terrans accross the board, you can draw the conclusion that terran players are not as good as protoss and zerg players (on ladder + foreign only). Since we are dealing with a very high sample of players pooling into gm, it is possible to infer that terran is indeed the weakest (ladder + foreign).
Question.?
WarrickHunt
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom393 Posts
July 01 2012 23:14 GMT
#68
QUICK!! someone alert Dustin Browder, Terran doesnt have a positive win ratio against both other races!!
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
July 01 2012 23:16 GMT
#69
On July 02 2012 07:12 darkness wrote:
I don't think Blizzard care about "interesting" numbers too. Back when MC was complaining, there were, I think, 6-8 terrans in top10 gm in KR. Nothing happened.

Something did happen, otherwise there wouldn't be so few terrans.
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 01 2012 23:19 GMT
#70
On July 02 2012 08:11 biology]major wrote:
gm is a very good indication of skill, if you are good enough you will be promoted and if you are not you won't. When you see that the top 200 players from each region have a disproportionate number of terrans accross the board, you can draw the conclusion that terran players are not as good as protoss and zerg players (on ladder + foreign only). Since we are dealing with a very high sample of players pooling into gm, it is possible to infer that terran is indeed the weakest (ladder + foreign).


You want to take Blizzards job at balancing the game, huh?
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
July 01 2012 23:21 GMT
#71
i think the new unit queendrilisk is scary
Story Of My SC2 Love Life, Meets ROOT. ROOT Disbands :( JOINS COL :D COL JOINS MVP :D HYPE! Col.MvP go byebye ): BUT THEN! ROOT GAMING IS BACK OMGOMGOMG qxc - Minigun - ROOTerdam - Catz - Drewbie - TaiLS - KeeN
CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr
Profile Joined June 2012
544 Posts
July 01 2012 23:22 GMT
#72
On July 02 2012 08:00 Huragius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 07:36 Otolia wrote:
The biggest problem is that there isn't any good terran in EU except for the Empire terrans.


Yes and every single EU Zerg/Protoss are amazing.

When someone said (or even says now) that about korean Terrans, you all start bitching and crying about other races being UP. Where's the consistency? Stop being such fucking hypocrites.


lol otolia use your brain or dont post theres lot of amateurs/semi pro in gm, and like none of them are terrans, this means quite a bit
awaiting the return of the space cowboy
RedMosquito
Profile Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
July 01 2012 23:24 GMT
#73
queen range should be 22 so it can counter the tempest in hots
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
July 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#74
On July 02 2012 07:43 Ouija wrote:
If those numbers represented balance then Terran would of been OP race all the way up until the last patch. Didn't terrans cry after the protoss upgrade patch?? Somehow after no balance changes it's all fine because top terrans made the necessary adjustments which is what all the terrans who whine should be doing.


Terran was never most represented race in highest leagues in whole history of sc2. Check your facts before posting.
EnE
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
417 Posts
July 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#75
On July 02 2012 08:14 WarrickHunt wrote:
QUICK!! someone alert Dustin Browder, Terran doesnt have a positive win ratio against both other races!!


Win ratios are irrelevant... 19% in the top 200 MMR is far more relevant.
I'm embarrased by my past actions and even more ashamed of my present thoughts and future endeavors to clear my name.
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
July 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#76
On July 02 2012 08:00 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Terran is in a bit of trouble right now but new styles will develop. This whining is stupid.

Terran has dominated most of SC2; time to suck it up and go through a tough patch. Yeah, if you're a pro I can see the frustration, but outside of that stop crying.


Yes the best way to balance a game that's meant to be a serious e-sport is to have periods of OP for different races.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
July 01 2012 23:25 GMT
#77
On July 02 2012 08:21 RUFinalBoss wrote:
i think the new unit queendrilisk is scary

the 6 terminator opening shuts down early aggression really well t.t
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
July 01 2012 23:26 GMT
#78
Queendralisks, tier 3 Protoss, tier 3 Zerg, Protoss allins, Zergs who take 3rd and just go allin (no drones on third).

It's good to be Terran
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 01 2012 23:27 GMT
#79
Stupid whine threads are not meant for TL.
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