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zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:16:08
June 11 2012 13:13 GMT
#1
MLG this weekend was great - but there is one problem with MLG that is rising higher and higher for every MLG we have. There is way to many Koreans!

There is 19 Koreans in the pools - that is just SICK. How would it look if Spain had 4 teams in the EURO 2012? Should they be allowed to do that because they are the best?

MLG really needs to have a maximum number of players from each country like every other serious sport out there. Make the biggest sc2 nations have a higher "player cap" than the smaller ones - make a seeding based on the country's RANKING.

Example:
Korea rank 1 country in the world: gets to have 8 players travel to MLG
Sweden rank 2 country in the world: gets to have 8 players travel to MLG
Russia rank 5 country in the world: gets to have 5 players travel to MLG
Norway rank 18 in the world: gets to have 1 player travel to MLG

This is a way it could be done - because right now people are losing interest because the tournament is just flooding over with Koreans. Sure we see great play but there is NOTHING more - we need someone to root for, we need the drama outside the match.

MLG last night was great - but after SaSe went out I just went to sleep - it was like there was nothing more to see.

I love the Korean scene but right now MLG might as well change name to GSL.
heyho
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:18:53
June 11 2012 13:17 GMT
#2
Spain does have 4 spanish teams in the Champions League, you can't compare Euro 2012 to MLG because there is not really a Euro 2012 counterpart. We have WCG which is an olympic and every country can send a maximum of three players.
The Korean/Taiwanese seeding slots are restricted to 10, EU has 9 and US has 8. It's completely logical that the region that has the best players has more slots than the other regions.
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
June 11 2012 13:17 GMT
#3
Nah, I'd rather watch the best games.
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
June 11 2012 13:18 GMT
#4
So we should ruin the integrity of a tournament and stop the best players from coming because you don´t like seeing Koreans at MLG?

The best players are qualified because they deserve to be there. I´d much rather have the best players than just having foreigners because of the diversity. Foreigners simply need to get better at the game, that´s it.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
June 11 2012 13:20 GMT
#5
On June 11 2012 22:18 Hakanfrog wrote:
So we should ruin the integrity of a tournament and stop the best players from coming because you don´t like seeing Koreans at MLG?

The best players are qualified because they deserve to be there. I´d much rather have the best players than just having foreigners because of the diversity. Foreigners simply need to get better at the game, that´s it.

Exactly, and there isn't even any excuse for this. Stephano and Grubby live in the EU and they are still doing well, foreigners just need to step up their game if they want to play at a high level.
zuperketla
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway212 Posts
June 11 2012 13:20 GMT
#6
On June 11 2012 22:17 Eee wrote:
Spain does have 4 spanish teams in the Champions League, you can't compare Euro 2012 to MLG because there is not really a Euro 2012 counterpart. We have WCG which is an olympic and every country can send a maximum of three players.
The Korean/Taiwanese seeding slots are restricted to 10, EU has 9 and US has 8. It's completely logical that the region that has the best players has more slots than the other regions.


Okey listen up - Spain has 4 teams in the Champions League for a REASON - they have highest NATION RANKING (together with England and Germany) - get it?
heyho
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
June 11 2012 13:20 GMT
#7
we have wcs for that
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 11 2012 13:21 GMT
#8
On June 11 2012 22:13 zuperketla wrote:

Should they be allowed to do that because they are the best?



YES. God yes.

This isn't WCG, it's not WCS.

People want to subsidize the foreign esports community instead of forcing them to up their game. This topic comes up all the time. Screw that.

Eventually you'll get Koreans like Flash and Jaedong who know how to have a personality and become fan favorites. MKP is a great example.

So yeah, hopefully MLG will not listen to these inevitable horrible threads. :/
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
June 11 2012 13:22 GMT
#9
I agree. It's completely unenjoyable to watch someone who you know nothing about. I did not watch anything after pool play.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
June 11 2012 13:22 GMT
#10
This is something that comes up a lot and a lot of people are on both sides of this debate.

Personally, I'd rather see the BEST matches. And to be frank, if a foreign player winds up winning at an event with a lot of Koreans he is then praised.

Just look at Socke. He was in the group of death and was AMAZING this weekend. Do you think he would have gotten that much attention if his group consisted of all foreigners?
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Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
June 11 2012 13:22 GMT
#11
On June 11 2012 22:20 zuperketla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 22:17 Eee wrote:
Spain does have 4 spanish teams in the Champions League, you can't compare Euro 2012 to MLG because there is not really a Euro 2012 counterpart. We have WCG which is an olympic and every country can send a maximum of three players.
The Korean/Taiwanese seeding slots are restricted to 10, EU has 9 and US has 8. It's completely logical that the region that has the best players has more slots than the other regions.


Okey listen up - Spain has 4 teams in the Champions League for a REASON - they have highest NATION RANKING (together with England and Germany) - get it?

Yeah, and so does Korea/Taiwan, they have 10 slots, EU has 9 because they have the 2nd highest ranking, and America has 8 because their the worst region. So what is your point?
KTF_CloaK
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1338 Posts
June 11 2012 13:22 GMT
#12
Guys does anybody know where I can watch the games played between the BW pros at MLG? Like the games where Flash 2-0'd stork and bisu?

thx in advance guys!
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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
June 11 2012 13:23 GMT
#13
koreans have less personality which makes it hard to get behind them imho more koreans will hurt the scene in the long run i think
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Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
June 11 2012 13:24 GMT
#14
A tournament would really lose credibility in my eyes and many others if top players were arbitrarily excluded. For example, NA players atm are performing so badly on the top stage except maybe Illusion, how could a tournament seriously have 8 NA players and 8 Koreans?
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#15
On June 11 2012 22:20 zuperketla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 22:17 Eee wrote:
Spain does have 4 spanish teams in the Champions League, you can't compare Euro 2012 to MLG because there is not really a Euro 2012 counterpart. We have WCG which is an olympic and every country can send a maximum of three players.
The Korean/Taiwanese seeding slots are restricted to 10, EU has 9 and US has 8. It's completely logical that the region that has the best players has more slots than the other regions.


Okey listen up - Spain has 4 teams in the Champions League for a REASON - they have highest NATION RANKING (together with England and Germany) - get it?

Okey listen up - Korea has 19 players in the pools for a reason. The reason is that they did well at the arena and came through the open bracket.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#16
On June 11 2012 22:23 desRow wrote:
koreans have less personality which makes it hard to get behind them imho more koreans will hurt the scene in the long run i think

Foreingers being shit will hurt the scene in the long run*
Ripebananaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada129 Posts
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#17
In a few interviews throughout MLG people were saying that foreigners attract more viewers, while Koreans make for better games. Personally I'm MUCH more likely to watch an MLG (or any other tournament) if there are more Koreans. Not necessarily the majority are Koreans, but they're a lot of fun to watch. I'm much less likely to watch if it's just a bunch of foreigners.

I believe it was the first mlg arena, that played at the same time as Assembly, which had mostly Euro foreigners that I've never seen. I didn't watch that tournament.

I don't watch Gomtv because of the hours it plays at, but I certainly love the level of play, which we see at mlg with a lot of koreans.
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:26:38
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#18
Best games over More Viewers debate has not changed because you made an 112367158 post about it.

Best games for me => Koreans should not be limited in the number of their participating players

EDIT: watch some of the interviews made by HotBid during this MLG, a few players give their opinion on that point.
nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#19
YEAH MAN I WANA WATCH MA HOME GROWN PEEPS DUKE IT OUT AT THE LOCAL BARN LAN YEAH MA- no I just wanna watch Koreans.
Dont look at the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
June 11 2012 13:25 GMT
#20
On June 11 2012 22:13 zuperketla wrote:Should they be allowed to do that because they are the best?


I can´t believe this is a serious question.
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