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JohannesClimacus
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:35:36
June 11 2012 13:34 GMT
#41
Read the LR thread from around the time that the US finals were. As much as people bemoan the fact that top 10s consist mainly of koreans they are not willing to sacrifice top quality starcraft for that. The predominant hope is that foreigners can raise their game to diminish Korean dominance not that it will be legislated against (and thus reducing the strength of fields.)
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 11 2012 13:34 GMT
#42
On June 11 2012 22:32 Lazzi wrote:
It is an individual game, nationality doesn't matter. Look at Tennis, there were 2 spannish in the ro4 of Roland Garos. Should we limit spannish player in Roland Garros? Makes no sense.


There also was 14/16 Europeans in top16.
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
June 11 2012 13:34 GMT
#43
Limit the number of koreans? lol

should limit the number of foreigners instead so you don't get bad players (and then shitty games).
Yoduh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States216 Posts
June 11 2012 13:34 GMT
#44
Foreigners are hurting e-sports!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 11 2012 13:35 GMT
#45
So we should watch more foreign mediocrity? Not saying foreigners are bad (Stephano, Thorzain etc are shining examples of great foreign players), but most if not all the korean invites are top caliber players, and I'd rather watch them play as I'll learn more.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
June 11 2012 13:35 GMT
#46
On June 11 2012 22:34 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 22:32 Lazzi wrote:
It is an individual game, nationality doesn't matter. Look at Tennis, there were 2 spannish in the ro4 of Roland Garos. Should we limit spannish player in Roland Garros? Makes no sense.


There also was 14/16 Europeans in top16.


Quick, limit the Europeans !!
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:36:57
June 11 2012 13:36 GMT
#47
Seeded Pool play
13 Netherland
1 Korea
1 France
1 Germany

Open Bracket
63 United States
15 Canada
1 Poland
1 Mexico
13 Korea
1 United Kingdom
3 Sweden
1 Serbia
1 New Zealand
29 Unknown

Seeded Open Bracket
1 Sweden
3 United States
9 Korea
1 United Kingdom
2 Canada
1 Netherlands

Total
66 United States
23 Korea
17 Canada
14 Netherlands
4 Sweden
2 United Kingdom
1 Germany
1 Poland
1 Mexico
1 Serbia
1 New Zealand
29 Unknown
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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
June 11 2012 13:36 GMT
#48
dude what the hell are you talking about. Grown up. Understand that in every sport you need the best competing, even if they are koreans. Look at Real Madri, Barcelona and most of the big teams. They are full of foreigners because they are better.

It's not a matter of nationality, it's simply a matter of the better players.

For this shitty nationality stuff that u want Blizzard is doing the WCS so you will get your fair share of patriotism.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
June 11 2012 13:36 GMT
#49
This is a dumb thread. Koreans can easily fix the personality problem while showing amazing games. I can't say the same for foregniors. You want foregniors to play better? Stop watching them, give them a reason to play 100 percent.
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
June 11 2012 13:36 GMT
#50
On June 11 2012 22:13 zuperketla wrote:
MLG this weekend was great - but there is one problem with MLG that is rising higher and higher for every MLG we have. There is way to many Koreans!

There is 19 Koreans in the pools - that is just SICK. How would it look if Spain had 4 teams in the EURO 2012? Should they be allowed to do that because they are the best?

MLG really needs to have a maximum number of players from each country like every other serious sport out there. Make the biggest sc2 nations have a higher "player cap" than the smaller ones - make a seeding based on the country's RANKING.

Example:
Korea rank 1 country in the world: gets to have 8 players travel to MLG
Sweden rank 2 country in the world: gets to have 8 players travel to MLG
Russia rank 5 country in the world: gets to have 5 players travel to MLG
Norway rank 18 in the world: gets to have 1 player travel to MLG

This is a way it could be done - because right now people are losing interest because the tournament is just flooding over with Koreans. Sure we see great play but there is NOTHING more - we need someone to root for, we need the drama outside the match.

MLG last night was great - but after SaSe went out I just went to sleep - it was like there was nothing more to see.

I love the Korean scene but right now MLG might as well change name to GSL.

So,
Norway rank 22 in the world: get 1 player
Russia rank 21in the world: get 1 player
Sweden rank 19 in the world: get 2 player
Korean skips 18 rank higher than the world, which is rank 1: get 19 players.

Seems fair to me.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 11 2012 13:37 GMT
#51
On June 11 2012 22:31 Kreb wrote:
I think a lot more people would get upset over having Ostojiy-Select (no offense meant to named players) duking it out for 25k in the MLG final than there are people upset over lack of foreign personalities getting deep into tournaments.

Hell, this MLG we even had two foreigners in top6, and several quite well known/high profile koreans there too.

It couldve been a lot worse.

The Korean haters will complain that Select is "Korean" and we'll see another whine thread. Lol. Others will complain because it's so much better to watch DRG vs Alicia.

So I heard the OP likes to watch mediocre tournaments. Might as well watch a stream of a bronze league player, you're not gonna see many Koreans there.
=Þ
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:39:20
June 11 2012 13:37 GMT
#52
you can't limit how many players per country can be in mlg because its not countries that send players there its teams that are multi-national. and mlg isn't world championships or olympics or anything its just random tournament circuit
BackSideAttack
Profile Joined December 2010
1103 Posts
June 11 2012 13:38 GMT
#53
i feel like this thread is a troll
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 11 2012 13:38 GMT
#54
On June 11 2012 22:36 torm3ntin wrote:
dude what the hell are you talking about. Grown up. Understand that in every sport you need the best competing, even if they are koreans. Look at Real Madri, Barcelona and most of the big teams. They are full of foreigners because they are better.

It's not a matter of nationality, it's simply a matter of the better players.

For this shitty nationality stuff that u want Blizzard is doing the WCS so you will get your fair share of patriotism.


using barcelona as an exemple isn't quite accurate atm :D
Zest fanboy.
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8241 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 13:40:01
June 11 2012 13:39 GMT
#55
How can.there be too many Koreans if there was no Startale players? I didn't see Boxer, MMA, pee a lot of GSL players either. Where was Hero? Where was Zenio? They're Koreans that are part of Team Liquid, so they should be included right?
knicyo
Profile Joined June 2012
177 Posts
June 11 2012 13:39 GMT
#56
Wow, seriously, this isn't a personality contest, this is starcraft 2. You know the game were the BETTER player wins. Why would we want bad players lose to better player just because the aren't koreans?
Ryung - Parting - Life - MMA - Genius - Fantasy
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 11 2012 13:40 GMT
#57
MLG is a tournament where they try to make the best games with the best players and you can't really make that happen without koreans for the moment. If you want to see foreigners play and don't care that they might not be the best in the world right now then watch showmatches and WCS qualifiers and stuff like that.

It's really that simple. I can't believe people keep making threads about this.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
polyphonyEX
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2539 Posts
June 11 2012 13:40 GMT
#58
On June 11 2012 22:17 snexwang wrote:
Nah, I'd rather watch the best games.

This. Skill takes precedence over nationalism.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
June 11 2012 13:40 GMT
#59
There are obviously pros and cons for both arguments.

Champions league is deliberately and stubbornly holding to their concept of not allowing more than 4 clubs per nation. They even changed the system a few years ago to make it easier for weaker nations to have at least 1 representative club.

Weaker nations love it, but bigger nations are calling for a sort of superleague where England, Spain, Italy and Germany would have 7-8 representatives.

Personally, I don't mind the Koreans as long as we have at least a few foreigners in it - I probably wouldn't watch an MLG with no foreigners in and that could easily happen soon:
Picture it when Stephano & Thorzain go to Korea, Naniwa and Sase for example stay/qualify for GSL Code S/A, and others like Huk for example can't attend - BOOM all Koreans in the main thing, while the foreigners bash each other in the Open Bracket. Along with some more Koreans.

If it doesn't happen this way, it will happen once the Kespa guys get good. That's like 15 more MMA level players within 6 months.

It would be ideal if foreigners simply kept earning their places, because it would be a shame to have to put a cap on the number of Koreans. It would mean fake competition and would decrease the prestige of winning MLGs...
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
June 11 2012 13:40 GMT
#60
On June 11 2012 22:37 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 22:31 Kreb wrote:
I think a lot more people would get upset over having Ostojiy-Select (no offense meant to named players) duking it out for 25k in the MLG final than there are people upset over lack of foreign personalities getting deep into tournaments.

Hell, this MLG we even had two foreigners in top6, and several quite well known/high profile koreans there too.

It couldve been a lot worse.

.

So I heard the OP likes to watch mediocre tournaments. Might as well watch a stream of a bronze league player, you're not gonna see many Koreans there.


It's not like there's not tons of mediocre tournaments, too. They just aren't winning 25k for being mediocre.
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