EPTSo many Koreans! (MLG) - Page 4
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
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LMG
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342877 Got closed by mod so don't hold high hopes for this thread. I thought it was hilarious that Huk basically expressed the exact same thoughts during his MLG interview though. Of course we can't have this thread without someone crying 'racism', but I think a civilised argument can avoid that. The question is whether viewership is directly related to the ratio of Koreans to Foreigners. Most people here will contend that they want to see the 'best' games, and therefore it doesn't matter how many Koreans attend. Be aware of course, that TL is visited by hardcore fans by and large, and this attitude may not hold true for a general SC fan. The counter argument is that yes, viewership is affected by the ratio, because people like rooting for the 'home team', 'home player' etc, and having less foreigners takes away this element of enjoyment from watching the sport. Finally be reminded of the difference between 'prescriptive' and 'descriptive'. That is, what 'should' be the case is not necessarily what 'is' the case. In other words, people probably shouldn't care where players are from, but in reality, they do. | ||
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Roachu
Sweden692 Posts
Obligatory "I'm not racist" comment, I won't even reply to accusations. | ||
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Wortie
Netherlands212 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
Better players deserve to win more. These threads should stop, not even funny anymore. Instead of whining on teamliquid go train some more. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
nationality should be irrelevant in international events, GSL is inviting more foreigners and MLG should invite more koreans, if they are qualified and skilled enough. Simple as that. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
This is a way it could be done - because right now people are losing interest because the tournament is just flooding over with Koreans. Sure we see great play but there is NOTHING more - we need someone to root for, we need the drama outside the match. Swing and miss. | ||
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FXOTheoRy
United States519 Posts
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hitpoint
United States1511 Posts
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:42 Roachu wrote: This is a really touchy subject so I hope I don't mess this up. The "problem" with Korean players is not that they are Korean, it's that they are foreign to us (ironic right?). I can't relate to a quiet Korean player AT ALL, because the language has no similarities and they have distinct features I don't. When I watch an interview with a translator and the player is not able to communicate with the audience in any way at all using body language, excitement or whatever, and the only information I get is from the translator, that player is barely human in my eyes. Absolutely zero personality for me to relate to. Obligatory "I'm not racist" comment, I won't even reply to accusations. Zero persnoalities? Have you seen MC or DRG or even MKP? Have you ever seen an other player than MC dances when he wins? Come on, don't try to find stupid argument to justify your racist way of thinkng. | ||
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Soma.bokforlag
Sweden448 Posts
only koreans is often great entertainment, but thats why we have gsl, gstl, ewm, ksl, proleague and such.. mlg has so far been a place to see the best foreigners playing the best koreans, but now its turning into gsl and i can only agree with the original post.. yes, spain has 4 teams in champions league, but they do not have 10. why? because entertainment. because they want to make money and have viewers. | ||
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nokaah
Norway2 Posts
aLive, Inori, Golden, Dream, Rain, Ganzi, JYP are all in the pool - do we really care about them? mediocre Koreans vs each other is why we watch GSL. lets say we had White-ra, Kas, Snute, Dimaga,nechio,sen, happy instead. Which lineup would you rather watch? | ||
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ChibiSage
36 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8323 Posts
2. Foreigners did very well this MLG anyway | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:41 Fueled wrote: This is why the WCS is going to be so awesome. 4 koreans dominating everyone else, like every other time when a limited number of top koreans participated in tournaments with seeds based on nationality. MLG/Blizzcon/WCG/IEM last year prove that inviting a few koreans just means those few koreans faceroll through the pools. I personally consider korean vs. foreigner smackdowns not very entertaining and making the first pool phase of the tournament a complete joke, see last year. The problem is that there's not enough good foreigners, not that there's too many koreans. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:45 nokaah wrote: He is not saying BAN the Koreans, he is saying limit the number - it is getting way to many. aLive, Inori, Golden, Dream, Rain, Ganzi, JYP are all in the pool - do we really care about them? mediocre Koreans vs each other is why we watch GSL. lets say we had White-ra, Kas, Snute, Dimaga,nechio,sen, happy instead. Which lineup would you rather watch? the snd line up is awful compared to the 1st one. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:45 Lazzi wrote: Zero persnoalities? Have you seen MC or DRG or even MKP? Have you ever seen an other player than MC dances when he wins? Come on, don't try to find stupid argument to justify your racist way of thinkng. I don't think you can deny that a TON of personality is lost in translation can you? | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:42 Roachu wrote: This is a really touchy subject so I hope I don't mess this up. The "problem" with Korean players is not that they are Korean, it's that they are foreign to us (ironic right?). I can't relate to a quiet Korean player AT ALL, because the language has no similarities and they have distinct features I don't. When I watch an interview with a translator and the player is not able to communicate with the audience in any way at all using body language, excitement or whatever, and the only information I get is from the translator, that player is barely human in my eyes. Absolutely zero personality for me to relate to. Obligatory "I'm not racist" comment, I won't even reply to accusations. This is really funny to me because AFAIK and from personal experience (born chinese in china, been to every asian country bar Philippines and Bangladesh, yes even north korea, currently residing in Canada), south korea and japan are the most open to westerners areas with the most western influence since korean war / WWII respectively, shouldn't it be on you the person who is capable of easily traveling or accessing information to gain cultural context where as it's historically been alot harder for middle class / young people from asian countries to come to or know anything about western countries? | ||
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