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Crossfire99
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Hopefully, I will live until day 2 in this game. | ||
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Also is there a way to send one pm to multiple recipients like to both hosts? I tried to do this in my last game, but I was having trouble. | ||
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On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though. As for me, I am only in favor of lynching lurkers as an absolute last resort. I feel we need to do our best scumhunting and if we do a good job, we can lynch a scum. Right now I am suspicious of Anacletus. He comes in and votes for Firmtofu as his first post with no explanation, but then gives this terrible reason for voting in his next post + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote: I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no? But if he's town, shit. On May 10 2012 23:41 Anacletus wrote: It was for a misspell. I don't understand what your line about FirmTofu is saying, it makes no sense. I doubt that the mafia would try to be hyper-aggressive day 1. I think that the people who aren't voting are suspicious. I think it makes more sense for the mafia to try and be passive in voting yet vocal in chat to try and rule who otherw vote for and keep their hands clean. What say you Anacletus? | ||
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On May 11 2012 00:09 Anacletus wrote: I've played mafia before. That being said nothing that I say is guaranteed so playing one playstyle will probably let them metagame us. I was only throwing out my 2 cents. Also, maybe I'm metagaming knowing mafia will read this. The hole goes deeper. | ||
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Also, what does scumwagon mean? I am unfamiliar with the term and don't know what it means. | ||
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In relation to Anacletus: So far he has said he has had no information + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. On May 12 2012 01:01 Anacletus wrote: Yeah, it's just bad town play. I really hope you guys don't lynch me and let the cop check me or something. In the beginning I was just being reckless to start up the conversations. I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again, I have no interest in hanging anyone yet as everything is just inconclusive guesses. -------------------------------------- Now onto BroodKingEXE: I will start with this quote from ausitnmcc. It is his case against Brood. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 22:38 austinmcc wrote: My thoughts on Anacletus: His play does not feel like good townie play. I brought that up earlier, we've all discussed it by now, and I think we all seem to come to the same conclusion. While I would support a lynch of Anacletus, I think we have better targets. I'll look through his responses more today, but for now I would prefer to look elsewhere, and see how Anacletus continues to play. Right now, "not good townie play" is my read, but I'm not convinced that his play is scummy and not just bad townie play. However, we've got a quarter of D1 left, and I want to throw this case out and push it a little, see what comes of it. My top scum read: BroodKingEXE. BroodKingEXE filter - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&user=233869 Skip 2/3 of the first page. It's pregame. He's active, vocal, chatting a lot with everyone in the pregame. Doesn't really mean anything. First posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 12:53 BroodKingEXE wrote: /confirm Lynching lurkers in the early game not a good idea. My reasoning is that people need to be able to post before we persecute them. Something to think about lurkers, Mafia will try to lurk, but their posts will have more intent behind each one. Why? Every post they make is going to push its own idea of an agenda, but the more they post the more the idea could be misinterpreted. Before we lynch a lurker let's look at the intent of the post: a Mafia agenda push or a helpful Townie post. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: Not true, lynching an inactive is a waste. Scum wants us to not lynch them. We can call lurkers out, and they have to respond. They don't respond, we start looking at them. Lynching, because they are lurkers is stupid. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. ##Vote: Firm Tofu These aren't entirely incompatible. Lynching lurkers bad, pressuring them good, let people post before we jump to conclusions. That seems townie, fine and dandy, but then he fires off the very first vote of the game on FirmTofu. Why? Because FirmTofu posted + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. Look at the bolded part of Broodking's first post. Now back to me. Now back to the bolded part of FirmTofu's post. Now back to me. Anything? That's the same exact thought process. And yet when FirmTofu vocalizes that, Broodking fires off the first vote of the game. I still don't agree with that vote at all, even if it was just to "pressure" someone, because there's absolutely no grounds for voting someone because they express a thought you just expressed slightly earlier. From then on out, it's a series of one-liner and response posts, but never really DOING anything. Last night (eastern time), BroodKing had one of the longest filters, and yet the only substantive post was him voting FirmTofu off the bat. For example: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 03:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: You can withhold your vote but you still need to scum hunt. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:01 BroodKingEXE wrote: This post makes sense, Anacletus' play has been pretty wierd. I need to hear a response from him before I vote though. This line stood out to me. BroodKing threw out of FIRST vote of the game on Tofu, before there was play to analyze and before Tofu responded to anything. Why does he need a response now to vote? After that, he starts giving responses to other people, specifically ShiaoPi's reads, but doesn't really add anything of substance. scummy + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:05 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Hyaach Why did you put your vote on Ancletus? You had just as much reasoning as him. That is none. On May 11 2012 04:33 BroodKingEXE wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! ShiaoPi are you defending Hyaach? A null read? He has provided zero evidence for his vote. Your whole list is terrible, it provides nothing more than a bunch "I'm leaning town, but you can never be sure reads". I smell a scumwagon. On May 11 2012 05:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: Your big post brings up a list of null reads. Its misleading due to its size when its content is a bunch of reiteration of events. Scum will make posts like this to make themselves seem useful. If you actually read your reasoning for voting for anacletus it is: he was not eager, a post lacking logic, and a bandwagon. The first two could be townie mistakes and bandwagons aren't very effective when people have strong objections to the canidate. On the other hand, you have voted with the person you first thought was scum and had dropped your suspicions based on...nothing. On May 11 2012 09:09 BroodKingEXE wrote: Just needed explanation for your vote/post. This canidate seems really rushed though, people haven't looked at his latest posts for signs of scumminess. I agree that his past posts are suspicious, but we need to look at his current posts. Too much like a wagon for me to vote for him yet. Note that at this point, ShiaoPi has just thrown out the first real list of reads we had from anyone. BroodKing posts a couple times concerning the list, but doesn't really add anything. While he gets information out of ShiaoPi, he doesn't really provide any himself. At no point in those posts does he agree with a read or disagree with a read, rather, he simply acknowledges that reads were made and ShiaoPi voted. This is also the first point we begin to move AWAY from the Anacletus discussion (which has run its course at this point), and BroodKing continues to ask for information based on ShiaoPi's vote for Anacletus. Finally, compare his filter from this game with his filter from Newbie VIII, where he was town. + Show Spoiler + There are some posts in a similar style to his posts here, but a LOT of @x and @y, what do you guys think about z. Lots of longer discussions, paragraphs, lists. SOME of that is because he was the lynch target D1 and so had to be active and defend himself. But his townie posts from VIII feel more robust and they contribute, whereas his posts so far in XIII do not. ------------------------------- Anacletus's play still feels more bad than scummy. I would like to let him live for now, and see if he starts to really contribute. Right now he has 0 town cred, so if he's mafia he can't actively muck up town discussion. If we back off the pressure, MAYBE he mounts a decent defense and provides some good reads, because...he's got to do that to get any cred back. If not? We lynch him later, or we see if we can get any information N1 from blue roles that push us forward. Compared to Anacletus though, BroodKingEXE looks actively scummy. So far he hasn't contributed anything of note except the first vote of the game, which made little sense. He's supports getting responses before voting, but then votes without a response from FirmTofu. He wants scumhunting and reasoning, but has provided none. Again, I'm not opposed to an Anacletus lynch, but I would prefer to lynch the player that seems scummiest, which is BroodKing. ##Vote BroodKingEXE ##FOS: Anacletus Dahdum, I'm especially interested in hearing your thoughts on this, as you read BroodKing to be scummy as well. I didn't really notice him until I looked through all the filters last night and realized he was my best scumread. Do you agree with my reasoning? Did you have different reasoning? I agree with some of what Austin has said because when I did my own read through of Brood’s filter, it is just a mess of garbage posts. He also hypocritically accuses Firmtofu and votes for him because Formtofu said to wait until everyone has posted before judging them evev though he said the same thing. But, I will say that his redeeming quality is that he is pretty active and is suspicios of these giant “here are my reads for every person in the game” posts. I don’t like these posts that much because as he pointed out, they are an easy way for scum to hide and seem like they are doing work, but in reality they aren’t. This means that he is less scummy in my eyes than Anacletus, but I am going to keep my eye on him in the future. ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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On May 12 2012 10:13 Unforgiven_ve wrote: I keep reading and reading and dont see anywhere how to get that information about "3 mafias" why are you so sure? Maybe it could be 4? 2 is too few and 5 too much, you wrote that whit so much security(sp?) and you started the wagon against BKW... tell me, why are you so sure about being 3 mafias? It is 3 mafia (actually it can be as little as 2 mafia) because the of the description of the setup is found here. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ Basically, it looks like a 5/8 chance for 3 mafia and 3/8 chance for 2 mafia. | ||
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On May 12 2012 10:26 Unforgiven_ve wrote: well, still i see he has no doubt about being 3 mafias, maybe he slipped some information there? Maybe? I don't really think so, though. Honestly, I assume there are 3 also. I first assumed it was 3 because the only other game of mafia I played was this size and there were 3 mafia. Then when I checked that mafia scum page that I linked, I saw that mafia could be either 2 or 3, so I continued to assume 3 as a worst case scenario. | ||
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Now going through the filters nothing really stuck out to me until I ran across these two posts by Mufaa. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. On May 12 2012 07:19 Mufaa wrote: Let me clarify my vote. I wasn't making a concerted push on Jailbreaker. I was hoping others would follow suit to put some pressure on him and force some content before the deadline. 45 til the deadline and only 3 real posts w/ no vote means he's probably gonna get modkilled or warned so it won't matter either way. Still I don't like the idea of letting someone lurk the entire day. Since Jailbreaker seems out that really only leaves a choice between bkexe and Ana. I don't think ana's flip will tell us anything other than his alignment so I'm going to vote bkexe just to not waste d1. ##Vote BroodKingEXE All he talks about is lynching for information. He doesn't think anac is scum. It also seems that he doesn't think that Brood is scum either. He says explicitly that an anac lynch won't give information but that a Brood lynch will. Now this is the part where it gets weird. At this point in time the vote count was 7-4 in favor of brood with him and Jail yet to vote. Worse case scenario for mufaa would be that jail voted for anac therefore making the voting 7-5. This means that mufaa was the only one left who hadn't voted. to make matters worse 5 people had just switched from anac to brood. They weren't going to switch back. Austin led the case and he wasn't moving. unforgiven switched from himself to brood after reading the cases against brood and his terrible defense. This basically meant that 7 votes on brood were guaranteed and he was going to die (a last minute cop claim might have changed this but I'm not sure because brood probably screwed himself over too much for it to be taken seriously). This meant mufaa ended up putting a meaningless vote on someone he thought was town. Why not push for someone else, someone who you thought was mafia? | ||
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On May 12 2012 12:50 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Guys, I just relized something, we should not discuss anything at night, that's just helps the mafia, they will get The player whit the better read. We should wait and don't make any deep analysis, what do you think? I also want other people's opinions on this. I am kinda on the other side of the issue as you, unforgiven. In my last game a lot of people said no one should post during the night except for like the last 5 min, so mafia couldn't do any night actions based on it. This meant the night was dead and no one discussed anything. I feel that if everyone freely discusses everyone can start to get on the same page and focus on a few people. But I'm not sure if the discussion is worth it if mafia can base night actions off of it. ugh. I just don't know what's best. what are everyone else's thoughts? | ||
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On May 12 2012 12:50 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Guys, I just relized something, we should not discuss anything at night, that's just helps the mafia, they will get The player whit the better read. We should wait and don't make any deep analysis, what do you think? Just so this doesn't get lost in my paragraph. unforgiven, what is your response to shaopi's case on you. He brings up good points. | ||
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So I guess I'll start by defending myself from Austin's accusation of being mafia. Here is his argument + Show Spoiler + On May 16 2012 03:42 austinmcc wrote: Some quick reads: -snipped- Crossfire - + Show Spoiler + So far, Crossfire doesn't really seem to have done ANY scumhunting. D1 he discusses the votes on firm, the votes on anac, the Brood/Anac votes, but never really says anything about anyone beyond those. Sticking solely to discussion of the major targets could be a move to blend in, not provide anything substantive. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok I'm going to summarize what I feel happened at the end of the day just to put everything into context WALL OF TEXT WENT HERE Skip to N1, what do we get from Crossfire? + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 14:55 Crossfire99 wrote: I also want other people's opinions on this. I am kinda on the other side of the issue as you, unforgiven. In my last game a lot of people said no one should post during the night except for like the last 5 min, so mafia couldn't do any night actions based on it. This meant the night was dead and no one discussed anything. I feel that if everyone freely discusses everyone can start to get on the same page and focus on a few people. But I'm not sure if the discussion is worth it if mafia can base night actions off of it. ugh. I just don't know what's best. what are everyone else's thoughts? On May 13 2012 01:21 Crossfire99 wrote: Very good points on unforgiven, Shaopi. I would definitely like to hear his response to your case. The only thing I disagree about your case is the first point about this quote + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 12:50 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Guys, I just relized something, we should not discuss anything at night, that's just helps the mafia, they will get The player whit the better read. We should wait and don't make any deep analysis, what do you think? Just so this doesn't get lost in my paragraph. unforgiven, what is your response to shaopi's case on you. He brings up good points. Then D2...lurk lurk. Lurk lurk lurk. Posts, leaves, done. I'm quite suspicious of cross at this point. He's done ZERO scumhunting, he fished for info N1, and he lurked. Probably my top scumread right now. Bio and Anac are going to take me a little more work, but I wanted to go ahead and post this. I guess right now I'm looking at a scumteam of Dahdum/Crossfire/+1, which might come out of Bio or Anac. I need to look more at BioSC and Dahdum's little spat with each other, perhaps they're both intentionally making weak cases on the other to fill the thread, and if one got lynched the other could try to turn that into some town cred. Will read over Anac, I'm not as confident in my newbie town read as I was D1, but I want to find some actual reasons why and look harder. First, about the pm stuff and night posting. I pm'd Probulous twice so far with this text + Show Spoiler + What's your thought on night posts in general? Should people freely talk during the night? Should they come up with a big post and post in the last few minutes before the day? I haven't done any Scumhunting? Really? I know I wasn't there for Day 2, but here is some stuff from Day 1. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 00:23 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't understand why everyone is not liking Firmtofu's first post + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though. As for me, I am only in favor of lynching lurkers as an absolute last resort. I feel we need to do our best scumhunting and if we do a good job, we can lynch a scum. Right now I am suspicious of Anacletus. He comes in and votes for Firmtofu as his first post with no explanation, but then gives this terrible reason for voting in his next post + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote: I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no? But if he's town, shit. On May 10 2012 23:41 Anacletus wrote: It was for a misspell. I don't understand what your line about FirmTofu is saying, it makes no sense. I doubt that the mafia would try to be hyper-aggressive day 1. I think that the people who aren't voting are suspicious. I think it makes more sense for the mafia to try and be passive in voting yet vocal in chat to try and rule who otherw vote for and keep their hands clean. What say you Anacletus? On May 12 2012 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry for being so inactive, I’ve been very busy today. I haven’t been able to keep up with the thread very much, so I’ll focus on two things. My current position on Anacletus and this newfound suspicion on BroodKingEXE In relation to Anacletus: So far he has said he has had no information + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. On May 12 2012 01:01 Anacletus wrote: Yeah, it's just bad town play. I really hope you guys don't lynch me and let the cop check me or something. In the beginning I was just being reckless to start up the conversations. I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again, I have no interest in hanging anyone yet as everything is just inconclusive guesses. -------------------------------------- Now onto BroodKingEXE: I will start with this quote from ausitnmcc. It is his case against Brood. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 22:38 austinmcc wrote: My thoughts on Anacletus: His play does not feel like good townie play. I brought that up earlier, we've all discussed it by now, and I think we all seem to come to the same conclusion. While I would support a lynch of Anacletus, I think we have better targets. I'll look through his responses more today, but for now I would prefer to look elsewhere, and see how Anacletus continues to play. Right now, "not good townie play" is my read, but I'm not convinced that his play is scummy and not just bad townie play. However, we've got a quarter of D1 left, and I want to throw this case out and push it a little, see what comes of it. My top scum read: BroodKingEXE. BroodKingEXE filter - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&user=233869 Skip 2/3 of the first page. It's pregame. He's active, vocal, chatting a lot with everyone in the pregame. Doesn't really mean anything. First posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 12:53 BroodKingEXE wrote: /confirm Lynching lurkers in the early game not a good idea. My reasoning is that people need to be able to post before we persecute them. Something to think about lurkers, Mafia will try to lurk, but their posts will have more intent behind each one. Why? Every post they make is going to push its own idea of an agenda, but the more they post the more the idea could be misinterpreted. Before we lynch a lurker let's look at the intent of the post: a Mafia agenda push or a helpful Townie post. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: Not true, lynching an inactive is a waste. Scum wants us to not lynch them. We can call lurkers out, and they have to respond. They don't respond, we start looking at them. Lynching, because they are lurkers is stupid. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: What are you implying here? We should wait for everyone to post before coming to conclusions? That seems scummy to me, we should be analyzing peoples posts right now. You just created a reason for you not to post. Convince your not scum. ##Vote: Firm Tofu These aren't entirely incompatible. Lynching lurkers bad, pressuring them good, let people post before we jump to conclusions. That seems townie, fine and dandy, but then he fires off the very first vote of the game on FirmTofu. Why? Because FirmTofu posted + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. Look at the bolded part of Broodking's first post. Now back to me. Now back to the bolded part of FirmTofu's post. Now back to me. Anything? That's the same exact thought process. And yet when FirmTofu vocalizes that, Broodking fires off the first vote of the game. I still don't agree with that vote at all, even if it was just to "pressure" someone, because there's absolutely no grounds for voting someone because they express a thought you just expressed slightly earlier. From then on out, it's a series of one-liner and response posts, but never really DOING anything. Last night (eastern time), BroodKing had one of the longest filters, and yet the only substantive post was him voting FirmTofu off the bat. For example: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 03:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: You can withhold your vote but you still need to scum hunt. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:01 BroodKingEXE wrote: This post makes sense, Anacletus' play has been pretty wierd. I need to hear a response from him before I vote though. This line stood out to me. BroodKing threw out of FIRST vote of the game on Tofu, before there was play to analyze and before Tofu responded to anything. Why does he need a response now to vote? After that, he starts giving responses to other people, specifically ShiaoPi's reads, but doesn't really add anything of substance. scummy + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:05 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Hyaach Why did you put your vote on Ancletus? You had just as much reasoning as him. That is none. On May 11 2012 04:33 BroodKingEXE wrote: WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH!!!! ShiaoPi are you defending Hyaach? A null read? He has provided zero evidence for his vote. Your whole list is terrible, it provides nothing more than a bunch "I'm leaning town, but you can never be sure reads". I smell a scumwagon. On May 11 2012 05:38 BroodKingEXE wrote: Your big post brings up a list of null reads. Its misleading due to its size when its content is a bunch of reiteration of events. Scum will make posts like this to make themselves seem useful. If you actually read your reasoning for voting for anacletus it is: he was not eager, a post lacking logic, and a bandwagon. The first two could be townie mistakes and bandwagons aren't very effective when people have strong objections to the canidate. On the other hand, you have voted with the person you first thought was scum and had dropped your suspicions based on...nothing. On May 11 2012 09:09 BroodKingEXE wrote: Just needed explanation for your vote/post. This canidate seems really rushed though, people haven't looked at his latest posts for signs of scumminess. I agree that his past posts are suspicious, but we need to look at his current posts. Too much like a wagon for me to vote for him yet. Note that at this point, ShiaoPi has just thrown out the first real list of reads we had from anyone. BroodKing posts a couple times concerning the list, but doesn't really add anything. While he gets information out of ShiaoPi, he doesn't really provide any himself. At no point in those posts does he agree with a read or disagree with a read, rather, he simply acknowledges that reads were made and ShiaoPi voted. This is also the first point we begin to move AWAY from the Anacletus discussion (which has run its course at this point), and BroodKing continues to ask for information based on ShiaoPi's vote for Anacletus. Finally, compare his filter from this game with his filter from Newbie VIII, where he was town. + Show Spoiler + There are some posts in a similar style to his posts here, but a LOT of @x and @y, what do you guys think about z. Lots of longer discussions, paragraphs, lists. SOME of that is because he was the lynch target D1 and so had to be active and defend himself. But his townie posts from VIII feel more robust and they contribute, whereas his posts so far in XIII do not. ------------------------------- Anacletus's play still feels more bad than scummy. I would like to let him live for now, and see if he starts to really contribute. Right now he has 0 town cred, so if he's mafia he can't actively muck up town discussion. If we back off the pressure, MAYBE he mounts a decent defense and provides some good reads, because...he's got to do that to get any cred back. If not? We lynch him later, or we see if we can get any information N1 from blue roles that push us forward. Compared to Anacletus though, BroodKingEXE looks actively scummy. So far he hasn't contributed anything of note except the first vote of the game, which made little sense. He's supports getting responses before voting, but then votes without a response from FirmTofu. He wants scumhunting and reasoning, but has provided none. Again, I'm not opposed to an Anacletus lynch, but I would prefer to lynch the player that seems scummiest, which is BroodKing. ##Vote BroodKingEXE ##FOS: Anacletus Dahdum, I'm especially interested in hearing your thoughts on this, as you read BroodKing to be scummy as well. I didn't really notice him until I looked through all the filters last night and realized he was my best scumread. Do you agree with my reasoning? Did you have different reasoning? I agree with some of what Austin has said because when I did my own read through of Brood’s filter, it is just a mess of garbage posts. He also hypocritically accuses Firmtofu and votes for him because Formtofu said to wait until everyone has posted before judging them evev though he said the same thing. But, I will say that his redeeming quality is that he is pretty active and is suspicios of these giant “here are my reads for every person in the game” posts. I don’t like these posts that much because as he pointed out, they are an easy way for scum to hide and seem like they are doing work, but in reality they aren’t. This means that he is less scummy in my eyes than Anacletus, but I am going to keep my eye on him in the future. ##Vote Anacletus I clearly go through Anac's posts and show why I thought he was scummy. How is that not scumhunting? I also responded to your case about brood and why I thought it was better to lynch Anac. Those were the big issues that everyone focused on Day 1, so that is what I discussed. It is useless to bring up argumentss on people i don't have a good read on becaue it jstu clogs up the thread. It was day 1, you aren't gonig to have great arguments on most people. About the "wall of text" (do you mean paragraph?) + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Ok I'm going to summarize what I feel happened at the end of the day just to put everything into context. Anacletus has been playing scummy all game, then when everyone starts voting for him he starts flailing around and his posting can be seen to improve a little (I am still suspicious of him and expect him to step up his game to prove he isn't mafia in order to survive a day 2 lynch.) During this time austin puts together a case on Brood which many find convincing (It also caused me to put Brood on my radar). He adds to it and more join and switch votes. Brood defends himself terribly and dies for it. He turns out to be a 1 shot cop. On May 12 2012 14:10 Crossfire99 wrote: Now going through the filters nothing really stuck out to me until I ran across these two posts by Mufaa. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote: Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made. Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this. If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him. I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment. Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close? ##Vote Jailbreaker This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip. On May 12 2012 07:19 Mufaa wrote: All he talks about is lynching for information. He doesn't think anac is scum. It also seems that he doesn't think that Brood is scum either. He says explicitly that an anac lynch won't give information but that a Brood lynch will. Now this is the part where it gets weird. At this point in time the vote count was 7-4 in favor of brood with him and Jail yet to vote. Worse case scenario for mufaa would be that jail voted for anac therefore making the voting 7-5. This means that mufaa was the only one left who hadn't voted. to make matters worse 5 people had just switched from anac to brood. They weren't going to switch back. Austin led the case and he wasn't moving. unforgiven switched from himself to brood after reading the cases against brood and his terrible defense. This basically meant that 7 votes on brood were guaranteed and he was going to die (a last minute cop claim might have changed this but I'm not sure because brood probably screwed himself over too much for it to be taken seriously). This meant mufaa ended up putting a meaningless vote on someone he thought was town. Why not push for someone else, someone who you thought was mafia? Ok now on to my own reads Anacletus: I'm only discussing day2 on because i already discussed his day 1 play in my earlier posts. Day 2 he posts this + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2012 07:40 Anacletus wrote: Okay - so just to finalize my defense I'll be referencing this document austinmcc was awesome enough to post: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0 Noticing the initial votes there are 5 people who didn't vote for me: austinmcc, Mufaa, Jailbreaker, Crossfire99, and Unforgiven_ve. austinmcc: I find his posts extremely town-oriented and the fact the he voted BKE and stuck with it through without bandwagoning seems very credible and I doubt that mafia would be so aggressive in posting, so I find him clean. Mufaa: I don't like how very early on his posts contained no assertions of mafia. I felt like he was just trying to stay clean and not put any pressure on himself until the very end of the day in which he voted for BKE. I also find his defense of me very fishy in that "Ana is probably just town" sort of thing. Jailbreaker: Dead/town Crossfire99: I don't find him suspicious for voting for me and sticking with his vote. Unforgiven_ve: I am not going to make a judgement at this time on his posting, although he raises my suspicions as well. My reasoning for bringing up the initial votes is because well - I know that: ShaioPi, Jailbreaker, BKE, and myself aren't mafia. That leaves 9 people left - with 4 being mafia. My synopsis of what happened day 1 was that the mafia began reasoning that I was of no use to the town so they abandoned my band wagon to try and hang someone more useful to the town. So my suspicions are of those who switched votes from me to BKE. My biggest suspicions lie with BioSC and FirmTofu - I truly believe them to be mafia and would like for one of them to get hung today, and here is my reasoning why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#190 This post by Tofu not only distracts from any points made against BioSC but further asserts cases made against me and darkfire - and again my logic being that I know that I am not mafia so I can assume that the claims made against myself are baseless as his only points seem to be based off of what darkfire is saying. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=10#183 BioSC also makes excruciatingly similar posts to Tofu - it's almost as if they are working together! And my biggest reasoning to vote for them is because of how they both switched from my band wagon vote to vote for BKE after several times trying to seal a vote for me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707¤tpage=17#326 My opinions on fluff posts using "we" in town situations are also pretty revealing with one's alignment. ##Vote BioSC Here's my vote - I strongly urge you guys to vote with me on this as I truly believe my synopsis to be accurate. On May 14 2012 20:49 Anacletus wrote: You're not even refuting or countering any of my points with validations for your actions anymore: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2012 12:34 Anacletus wrote: I actually think that it may have been a mafia tactic to off someone who was NOT on the right track to make us think exactly what you are saying. Maybe you're mafia trying to start this trend? On May 14 2012 11:16 Anacletus wrote: This is very cute. This is exactly what I am talking about man. You're playing exactly like mafia would. Of course the mafia wouldn't kill someone who was suspecting mafia - they would lynch someone who was pointing fingers at another townie and then after the killing they would bring up "Oh, this person_X thought Person_Y was mafia and Person_X was killed, that must mean Person_Y is mafia too and was killed for the suspicions!" I'm even more deeply convinced that you are mafia now. On May 14 2012 12:16 Anacletus wrote: And of COURSE I bring up the fact that you're trying to denote hanging correlations with who the hanged thought was guilty, it's pretty standard mafia play. I'm convinced that you're mafia and you're voting for me because I think you're mafia? Cute reasoning, my vote isn't a counter to you voting for me on day 1, this is me being convinced that you are mafia. Like I have mentioned earlier. We have no idea how mafia is going to play. All we have is everyone's posts. Mafia can play anyway they want, they don't have to play the way we want them to play. I think you are posting that stuff and are arguing so vehemently for it because you want us to assume mafia is playing one way but really playing another way. Anacletus will be getting my vote day 3. Now I just realized this, while looking at Anacletus, but you Austin have had suspicions of him since day 1. You then post this case on Brood, which saves Anac, but you still say you are suspicious of Anac. (+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 22:38 austinmcc wrote: My thoughts on Anacletus: His play does not feel like good townie play. I brought that up earlier, we've all discussed it by now, and I think we all seem to come to the same conclusion. While I would support a lynch of Anacletus, I think we have better targets. I'll look through his responses more today, but for now I would prefer to look elsewhere, and see how Anacletus continues to play. Right now, "not good townie play" is my read, but I'm not convinced that his play is scummy and not just bad townie play. However, we've got a quarter of D1 left, and I want to throw this case out and push it a little, see what comes of it. My top scum read: BroodKingEXE. BroodKingEXE filter - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&user=233869 Skip 2/3 of the first page. It's pregame. He's active, vocal, chatting a lot with everyone in the pregame. Doesn't really mean anything. First posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 12:53 BroodKingEXE wrote: /confirm Lynching lurkers in the early game not a good idea. My reasoning is that people need to be able to post before we persecute them. Something to think about lurkers, Mafia will try to lurk, but their posts will have more intent behind each one. Why? Every post they make is going to push its own idea of an agenda, but the more they post the more the idea could be misinterpreted. Before we lynch a lurker let's look at the intent of the post: a Mafia agenda push or a helpful Townie post. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:18 BroodKingEXE wrote: Not true, lynching an inactive is a waste. Scum wants us to not lynch them. We can call lurkers out, and they have to respond. They don't respond, we start looking at them. Lynching, because they are lurkers is stupid. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 13:48 BroodKingEXE wrote: These aren't entirely incompatible. Lynching lurkers bad, pressuring them good, let people post before we jump to conclusions. That seems townie, fine and dandy, but then he fires off the very first vote of the game on FirmTofu. Why? Because FirmTofu posted + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Hi again dahdum! I hope you aren't mafia again >< I'm all for lynching a lurker, but we should definitely wait a bit for everyone to have a chance to post. Look at the bolded part of Broodking's first post. Now back to me. Now back to the bolded part of FirmTofu's post. Now back to me. Anything? That's the same exact thought process. And yet when FirmTofu vocalizes that, Broodking fires off the first vote of the game. I still don't agree with that vote at all, even if it was just to "pressure" someone, because there's absolutely no grounds for voting someone because they express a thought you just expressed slightly earlier. From then on out, it's a series of one-liner and response posts, but never really DOING anything. Last night (eastern time), BroodKing had one of the longest filters, and yet the only substantive post was him voting FirmTofu off the bat. For example: + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 03:30 BroodKingEXE wrote: You can withhold your vote but you still need to scum hunt. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:01 BroodKingEXE wrote: This post makes sense, Anacletus' play has been pretty wierd. I need to hear a response from him before I vote though. This line stood out to me. BroodKing threw out of FIRST vote of the game on Tofu, before there was play to analyze and before Tofu responded to anything. Why does he need a response now to vote? After that, he starts giving responses to other people, specifically ShiaoPi's reads, but doesn't really add anything of substance. scummy + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 04:05 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Hyaach Why did you put your vote on Ancletus? You had just as much reasoning as him. That is none. Note that at this point, ShiaoPi has just thrown out the first real list of reads we had from anyone. BroodKing posts a couple times concerning the list, but doesn't really add anything. While he gets information out of ShiaoPi, he doesn't really provide any himself. At no point in those posts does he agree with a read or disagree with a read, rather, he simply acknowledges that reads were made and ShiaoPi voted. This is also the first point we begin to move AWAY from the Anacletus discussion (which has run its course at this point), and BroodKing continues to ask for information based on ShiaoPi's vote for Anacletus. Finally, compare his filter from this game with his filter from Newbie VIII, where he was town. + Show Spoiler + There are some posts in a similar style to his posts here, but a LOT of @x and @y, what do you guys think about z. Lots of longer discussions, paragraphs, lists. SOME of that is because he was the lynch target D1 and so had to be active and defend himself. But his townie posts from VIII feel more robust and they contribute, whereas his posts so far in XIII do not. ------------------------------- Anacletus's play still feels more bad than scummy. I would like to let him live for now, and see if he starts to really contribute. Right now he has 0 town cred, so if he's mafia he can't actively muck up town discussion. If we back off the pressure, MAYBE he mounts a decent defense and provides some good reads, because...he's got to do that to get any cred back. If not? We lynch him later, or we see if we can get any information N1 from blue roles that push us forward. Compared to Anacletus though, BroodKingEXE looks actively scummy. So far he hasn't contributed anything of note except the first vote of the game, which made little sense. He's supports getting responses before voting, but then votes without a response from FirmTofu. He wants scumhunting and reasoning, but has provided none. Again, I'm not opposed to an Anacletus lynch, but I would prefer to lynch the player that seems scummiest, which is BroodKing. ##Vote BroodKingEXE ##FOS: Anacletus Dahdum, I'm especially interested in hearing your thoughts on this, as you read BroodKing to be scummy as well. I didn't really notice him until I looked through all the filters last night and realized he was my best scumread. Do you agree with my reasoning? Did you have different reasoning? On May 13 2012 07:41 austinmcc wrote: Assorted thoughts: I'm still suspicious of Anac. More and more people seem to be swinging towards bad townie play. I'd like to see more contributions from you Anac, because at this point I'm still unconvinced. I may have helped save you from a lynch AND given you a story to hide behind. I'm currently not really suspicious of anyone for "wagoning." When I initially posted on Anac and Brood, I legitimately felt that Anac was quite possibly townie, and Brood looked scummy. I stand by those reads. To the extent that you guys think those reads were sensible, then agreeing with them is NOT scummy play (in my mind). To me, I'm actually more suspicious of those whose votes didn't go Anac --> Brood. [QUOTE]On May 14 2012 23:29 austinmcc wrote: Looks like mother's day killed discussion. As of right now, I've got a few people that I'd love to see post more. Mufaa, Unforgiven, Hyaach, Firm. I've got weak townie reads on some of you, but there's just not enough there to go on. Please try and get some substantive posting in today. Inactivity is killing us (and i've contributed), so we've got to try and turn this around. Also interested in hearing more from Dahdum and BioSC. You guys keep calling each other out, but haven't drummed up that much interest from the rest of us it seems. Can either of you really put something good together on the other, why you think they might be scummy beyond just OMGUS? Either one of you could have something there, but I don't find anything in your filters all that convincing. Asking for more from others doesn't really give you anything from me, so here's what I've got to contribute. Right now my top read, and my vote, are on Darkfire His D1 filter is some general talk about "bandwagoning" and pronouns. Votes Anac because he seems scummiest, but doesn't really give much of his own read. Just kind of going along with where votes were falling at the time. He pops in during the Anac/Brood discussion only to give the one post that everyone seems to find suspicious: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 06:17 Darkfirex5 wrote: I'd suggest filtering BKEXE's posts. From what I'm reading of what he has posted, there isnt anying that makes me want to switch the bandwagon onto him (fairly) last minute. There isnt enough posts from him to make the acusation he is more mafia than that of Anacletus. I dislike this massive wagon switch because instead of going with the safest mafia guess, we switch it last minute to someone i think we need more posts from to prove he is mafia. Dark, I need to really hear some defense of this statement from you. What made Anac the safest mafia guess? What reasons did you really have for voting him? You repeat this argument after D1, lamenting why nobody listened to you. Well, what should we have listened to? Give us a decent reason you voted Anac and didn't vote Brood. Brood's filter was one of the longer ones in the game at that point, as we've pointed out, and, in fact, Brood's filter during D1 was longer than yours is this entire game so far. If his filter wasn't long enough to give you evidence he was scum, your filter really isn't long enough to convince me that you're town. The only response you've given to anyone's suspicions on you so far is [quote]The reason i like to stay cautious is because when things start happening fast like at the end of day one, we may end up switching the bandwagon and lynching a townie, inthis case the cop. I also think suspicions on people are much different then placing a vote. By me saying im suspicious of people means okay, something doesnt seem right but i need more evidence for me to want to put a vote on them to be lynched. The reason i kept the slight defense on Anacletus was becuase it was still day 1 and its hard to decide on the lynching. I ended up voting on him anyway becuase he seemed more scummy than EXE and i didnt like risking the vote on EXE before more evidence was obtained from/for him to prove he was scummy. So i went with the person who seemed the scummiest at the time, Anacletus. This feels like really weak reasoning. I maintain that there wasn't much of a case on Anac, and there was a decent case on Brood. I don't know why you had enough evidence on Anac but not on Brood. You've never really clearly explained your choices, either during D1 or in response to people calling you out. And they have. Here's ShiaoPi: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 10:00 ShiaoPi wrote: I want to focus a bit on darkfirex5: If you read through his filter, you immediately see that there is simply a lot of weak halfcases he starts against several people, these include: Anacletus (where his vote ends up), BioSC, FirmTofu and dahdum. His posts are few and mostly within the context of the Anacletus discussion, in which he seemingly takes a diverting role with his suspicions. In regards to BKE he writes the following: + Show Spoiler + I'd suggest filtering BKEXE's posts. From what I'm reading of what he has posted, there isnt anying that makes me want to switch the bandwagon onto him (fairly) last minute. There isnt enough posts from him to make the acusation he is more mafia than that of Anacletus. I dislike this massive wagon switch because instead of going with the safest mafia guess, we switch it last minute to someone i think we need more posts from to prove he is mafia. I bolded the part which seemed weird to me. I could agree with his reasoning on not wanting to switch before, but BKE was actually one of the more active players so it seems like a sentence without anything backing it up. Generally speaking he is acting scummy as in non-comittal to his reads/suspicions and inactivity. Keep your eyes on him. On May 12 2012 20:36 ShiaoPi wrote: Darkfirex5 also posted the following: + Show Spoiler + I guess no one listened to me about the switch of the bandwagon with no solid evidence compared to the "safer" bet with Anacletus, I'll be going over the people who switch vote, i gtg for now but i believe i saw a mafia group bandwagoning to get it started. <-- ill be looking into that Which means he is totally ignoring my post about him. Just a general statement of regret and a somehow flawed logic of a "safer bet". I believe we have quite established that Anacletus can easily be lynched later if the need arises. Anyone else up for pressuring him as well? Here's me: + Show Spoiler + Darkfire. Others have already mentioned this. As votes are coming in on Anac, says it's a "weak bandwagon," with weak reasoning behind it. An hour and a half later, drops his vote on Anac. Now finds Anac scummiest. Then he defends Brood, saying he wants "more posts" from one of the more active players at that point and time (based purely on filter length). At night, we get this: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 11:32 Darkfirex5 wrote: I guess no one listened to me about the switch of the bandwagon with no solid evidence compared to the "safer" bet with Anacletus, I'll be going over the people who switch vote, i gtg for now but i believe i saw a mafia group bandwagoning to get it started. <-- ill be looking into that I have no idea what to make of that. He didn't think anac was scum until anac's self-vote, then decided anac was the safest/safer lynch? Complains about no solid evidence on Brood, but again, I think the evidence DID look bad for Brood. And if it didn't, what good evidence was there on Anac? Also, just very, very focused on bandwagoning in general, mentioning it a LOT. It's not necessarily a bad thing, and I still believe that at the end of D1, Brood looked the scummiest. After ShiaoPi gets killed, here's Darkfire - [QUOTE]On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote: well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D[/QUOTE] Another unhelpful post after an event (Just like his "safer" bet comment after D1). Without any recognition that one of ShiaoPi's main reads was him. Shiao had called out Darkfire twice, I'd chimed in, and Dark still hasn't responded to any of that. While he recently claims to have been trying to look into Mufaa and Dahdum, there's nothing there. His looking into Mufaa is just quoting a post from Shiao (without ever answering Shiao's questions about himself). I don't see him "looking into" dahdum at all, except after dahdum calls him out on typoing Unforgiven's name into a post instead of Anac. There really just doesn't seem to be anything in his posts at all. There's a lack of unhelpful reads. Multiple UNhelpful posts (after D1 and N1). A complete lack of response to Shiao and my concerns about him. Right now Darkfire, you're my number one scum read, and you get my vote. ##Vote: Darkfirex5[/QUOTE] Right now I have Austin and Anacletus as 2/3 scum. Hmmm, curiously I just noticed in your last post, you leave out Anacletus and Bio in your reads. Why? Are they your scumbuddies? | ||
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On May 16 2012 06:05 austinmcc wrote: Looks like I won't be back before the deadline, so I'll just parrot what everyone else is saying and note that I'm still suspicious of Anac, despite arguing against a vote on him D1. What really sticks out to me is this post - I alluded to it D1, + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 00:39 austinmcc wrote: Anacletus, why, specifically, did you vote Tofu? All you've said is: In your original vote. But you didn't tell us what you found suspicious. Say you think this, why vote Tofu? He posted once, 40 minutes into the game, and hasn't been active. That's not vocal in chat. His activity so far this game doesn't fit the pattern that you believe to be scummy. Town's job isn't to care about what gameplan mafia may or may not have. Our job is to hunt scum. To me, your vote on Tofu, especially as it runs against your own reasoning, looks scummy or newbie townish. Yet you say you've played games elsewhere before. I don't know whether to slot Anac in as the third mafia, whether to think maybe dahdum and BioSC were just looking to make weak cases on each other and gain town cred if one was lynched and flipped scum, or whether there's another third mafia member out there. Relatively confident in those other two reads, and I can't really adopt some plan of "Assume everyone I read as scum is town," because that's just too confusing. I'll post more when I get enough free time and a computer, but it will be after the deadline. If nothing else, should I be the nightkill, hopefully some of this will be helpful. Now he conveniently states that he is still suspicious of Anac, but not suspicious enough to warrant a vote. Hmmm? I definitely think you are trying to defend your scumbuddy, but still trying to keep your hands clean if he is lynched over your wishes by saying you were still suspicious. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + You were gone all D2. N2 you pop in 2 hours before deadline, and do respond to my case. I appreciate that. But now you've dipped out for another 24+ hours. We're talking 2 actual posts over the last...96 hours. I'm not holding the Probulous comment against you anymore. I got an answer to one of my PMs, and not to the other, so I can believe that Prob is just a bum and Adam is a way better coach. You're rightfully suspicious of Anac. But other than that, who? Heck, what about other stuff -- Why do you think the night kills have been ShiaoPi and dahdum? What made them good targets for mafia? Why not kill Firm last night? Come in here, contribute, even if it's just answering that stuff. I'll address your night kill issue first. I believe I mentioned this before, but I don't like speculating about actions that mafia have taken. We have no idea why they were killed, only mafia does. Speculating why can lead down endless rabbit holes of they killed so and so for this reason so that makes this person guilty. What if they are tricking us knowing that we will think that? But we know that they know that we know taht... Basically, nothing good comes of speculating about those night kills. It creates unnecessary distractions. As for my current reads, right now my top one is anacletus. He isn't doing anything and admits it. This doesn't help us as town. I don't know how he has survived this long without be lynched to be honest. Reading through Mufaa's filter he continually defends Anac D1 and does his weird vote on Jailbreaker, but then switches it to Brood with little reasoning (I talked about this in an earlier post if any wants to see my thougthts on it) Looking at the rest of his posts, he only is suspicious of Dahdum and Darkfire + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 02:34 Mufaa wrote: Ok, here we go. Strongest reads for me so far are Dahdum and Darkfire. I will post more when I have time tomorrow. ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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