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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I'll go ahead and say that I don't like that strategy, but regardless I'll give actions a real role to claim. With the possibility of a jailkeeper or another Medic I'm fine in saying that I'm one of the medics. The best part is the Mafia won't attack me because they'll think I'm a vanilla townie trying to bite the bullet for the town. If the detective wants to claim I'll be here to heal him. We really just need to keep the detective alive for as long as possible because with so many non-power roles we'll be powerless eventually. I'd be wary of Gummy for being so aggressive so early on. He's most likely trying to accuse other people so if anyone tries to point fingers at him he can claim that they're protecting the person he's pressuring. That's a pretty shady tatic and with his confindence in himself going to his head he might be trouble. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I don't particularly put a lot of emphasis into day one role claims or role claims in general, but I figure confusing the mafia is the best way to keep people alive the longest. No mafia in their right mind would ever attack someone who claims medic day one because they're most likely just a townie. That means that when I claim medic they ignore me and I'm free to go about healing people. I don't even have to heal tofu because I've already said I would. That makes him a bad target to hit just because I've already said that the Mafia will avoid him. Next thing you know our detective and medic are not dying and the only people the mafia are targeting are townies. There's obviously the chance that the mafia bite and go for us, but I don't see that happening. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
You end up counter claiming me acting like you planned it all along when you clearly didn't because you would have posted it after I made my post. You posted plenty of times in between my post and this counter claim post. Not to mention your post discredits me by trying to say I'm backing away from my role claim when I'm not. I'm the medic. Whether you're the medic or not is up for discussion, but right now you're causing chaos and accusing anyone that talks. I'd also like to know in what world you counter claim someone where the list of actual roles isn't shown. This isn't a "There's only one Medic" game so you may have revealed yourself for no reason. Like I said before, I'm almost positive you aren't mafia, but your pointing the town in the wrong direction. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
If you notice in his post he claims this: Clawtrocity has already become ambiguous with his language meaning he is backing off from his role claim, without any kind of real justification for why he faked his role claimed in the first case. As a martyr, he could be buying the real detective at least 2 nights of unchecked reveals. Legitimate reason to lie, How is it ok for Tofu to do it, but not okay for me to lie about my role? I believe he's projecting himself onto me which is why he claimed Medic. He's trying to say that I'm the one that's sneaky and lying, even though he did the exact same thing. If you look hard enough you'll see projections with everything he says. He admits that lying is ok, but condemns me for lying even though he lied as well. So if we take into account his love to project himself onto everyone else then we can also take into account the fact that he is accusing everyone of being scum. That in combination with his slightly defensive attitude and role claim after I said he wasn't scum makes me think he's scum. At worst he's a citizen who's skill has gone way to much to his head At best he's a scum who'll lie and bullshit his way around until eventually getting lynched while his teammate sits in the back and does almost nothing. ##Vote Gummy | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
Gummy seems to be familar with WIFOM, but none of the rest of you guys are. So you're all telling me that Gummy is definitely town because he talks a lot. That's interesting because if I was mafia, I'd talk my ass off to make you all think that. I've played Forum Mafia plenty of times and I've been mafia more than once. Every time I'm extremely active, helpful for the town and have even pushed lynches on my own teammates to stay alive. He's playing a game with your heads and he's winning. On top of that he continues to suggest that my "lie" is more scummy than his "lie". Let's assume for a second that I'm Mafia and what people are saying is true. In what world would a person claim Medic and ask for the detective to claim so I could "heal him". If he died without me healing him you would know that I was lying and you'd be able to lynch me. If however I was really the medic and I pretended to look scummy then the mafia would be able to push a lynch on me. That's only one possibility though. The Mafia could also hide in the shadows and since they see that I'm acting scummy and being close to lynch they'd rather the town take care of me so they take care of someone else. There are so many different possibilities that sticking to one specific one is silly of you guys. It may not seem like it, but Gummy is protecting me. He is throwing accusations and acting like a crazy person just so the mafia think Gummy is the real medic. They'll shoot him tonight and he'll be a vanilla townie and viola that'll be the end of it. So we go back and forth where we're each calling each other Mafia and the mafia have no idea who to hit. They just know to hit one of us which leaves our detective open to do whatever he wants. So yeah, Gummy might be mafia, but honestly he's probably just a vanilla townie and there's nothing wrong with that because he's trying to protect me. It's an interesting tatic because it prevents the mafia from figuring anything out too fast. The Mafia is strong because it's an informed minority, but when you take out the informed part it's just 2 guys circlejerking playing whack-a-mole. The vote on Gummy stays. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
Clawtrocity has already become ambiguous with his language meaning he is backing off from his role claim, without any kind of real justification for why he faked his role claimed in the first case. tu quoque fallacy Since all outcomes in which claw is not lynched end in the town losing Slippery slope fallacy Is there any way of making an ultimatum in this game? Since I'm not allowed to use a modkill as a bargaining chip, can I say "I will shut up for the rest of the game and post only enough not to get modkilled and vote #nolynch" every day thereafter unless you vote for XXXXX. If so.... I am making an ultimatum here. If Claw is not voted off today, then I will shut up for the rest of the game, only posting enough not to get modkilled. I will vote nolynch every day after this one if Claw is not voted off today. So make your choice between him or me. GL HF folks. Appeal to authority fallacy If you're trying to protect me you shouldn't use so many fallacies. The Mafia will catch on to the horrible logic and kill me instead Gummy. Keep trying you'll get it eventually. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
On May 03 2012 05:40 dahdum wrote: Claw, I don't understand how you can keep your vote on Gummy, while simultaneously saying: If you really believe that, why continue to vote for his lynch? It's mainly to cause more confusion to the Mafia. Do they believe my words or my actions? Which ever one they believe will have a direct influence on who they target tonight. I can't just let them have the answer I have to hope they fail it. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
On May 03 2012 06:19 Matriarch wrote: But in confusing the mafia you are also confusing the rest of us townies as well. Circular logic. You don't have night actions to kill people. And I'm not trying to lynch him. A vote on him is nothing like pushing for a lynch. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
When he successfully lynches me and I turn out to be the medic, he'll claim that he was right that I was scummy and I was just a bad player so no fault lies on him. He'll also probably say that he isn't even medic and he was just so sure of his "gut feeling" that I was mafia that he claimed to be medic to get me lynched. It's impossible for me to win in that situation because I'm arguging with a narcissist who's so sure of himself that he's hurting the town around him. All the while the real mafia are laughing their asses off while the town try and kill each other. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
On May 03 2012 07:34 Gummy wrote: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING "too scummy to be scum." APPEARING SCUMMY ONLY GETS YOU TARGETED IN DAY PLAY. YOU GET NO ADVANTAGE FOR APPEARING SCUMMY EVER. By drawing attention in the daychat I'm being pressured into being lynched. That means killing me at night is stupid because I'll be killed during the day time. It's just as simple as not lynching people who act scummy on purpose and you succeed. No offense to you, but I do hope you're the one that gets shot because you're not the real medic so losing a vanilla townie isn't so bad. I have to heal Tofu just in case they try to pull any fishy things where they think I'm trying to make them target you so I can heal you at night. You're almost having a panic attack in the middle of the day just because people don't see something the way you see it. Calm down and look at the situation with open eyes. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
The strategy you're employing works perfectly there. The one where you just spam your opinion until everyone follows your word. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I'm perfectly fine being in my situation right now. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I am a townie Freudian Slip. I knew you weren't a medic. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
Mafia have no other information to work with than your claim. I assume they are expectation maximizing. Presume they believe you have a 50/50 chance of telling the truth. Your chance of being the medic from their perspective is now 50%. This is higher than the 1/7 chance you had before (assuming nobody got voted off in day play). It would be a dominant strategy for them to target you. Yes, but the mafia aren't looking at it like a 50% chance because they have to take into account the fact that this game is called Mafia and lying is part of the game. That lowers their chance to 25% because I could lying both ways. Then they have to take into account that I might be lying and what other targets they could hit instead of me. That lowers my chance to be attacked down to 3.5% chance. Which is 25% of the original 14% that I could have been attacked for. This math thing is pretty cool. | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I don't know why you're mad at me. I didn't cause the confusion. I claimed a role and Gummy started this nonsensical rant about how bad it was for me to claim medic after he claims medic 10 seconds after me. What the hell does this mean? 1 hour left to live.... What's taking you so long, claw? | ||
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
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Clawtrocity
United States21 Posts
I healed Firm last night because after all that I tried to make them think I was WIFOM'ing Firm and going to heal Gummy. They'll stay away from this triangle of people for as long as possible. | ||
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