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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51568 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 02:11:14
April 20 2012 13:08 GMT
#1
UPDATE: OpticalShot's full translation can be read off-Teamliquid, here (click me!).

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Since it's FOMOS, I'll just try and summarise the points I can understand. Do note, there WILL be innacuracies in my translation as my Korean is far from perfect. People with more proficiency in the Korean language, feel free to add or clarify on some of the things I've written. It's a long fucking interview/article.

Adding to that, I wasn't really sure whether to put this in SC2 or here, but since it's with the KeSPA teams, I'm siding with BW General for now.

- KeSPA teams (KT, SKT, CJ, Woongjin, STX, Samsung, Team 8, ACE) all see the change to SC2 is inevitable.

- All team head coaches except for ACE participated in this FOMOS-ran 'symposium'

- Lee Jae-kyun (WJ Coach) 'STX and SKT have already started preparing'

- Kim Eun-dong (STX Coach) 'That is true, but SKT have been more active than us'

- Lee Ji-hoon (KT Coach) 'We should be using the English version of SC2 as (current BW) fans are more familiar with the English names of units'

- Kim Ga-eul (Samsung Coach) 'Many of our players are unfamiliar to what the Dark Shrine is, lots of unfamiliar buildings in general'

- Eun-dong, Ju Hoon (T8 Coach) 'We should use SC2 as a way of expanding our way of ESPORTS to the foreigners' 'We should also take note of foreign events e.g. MLG'

- Eun-dong 'While BW's competitive peak outside of Korea died after a few years, there was still a community involved in both the domestic (Korea) and foreign scene (Teamliquid), now that community has grown tenfold with the release of SC2'

- Jae-kyun 'I heard there are many SKT players in Grand Master'

- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'


On April 21 2012 01:35 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Some quick notes on the translations:
1) I think a scary point got jumped across. But SKT and STX coaches mention that there are numerous players who actually JUST played SC2 during the Proleague season in hopes that they can show up on TV later on. But when the coaches can't tell the players when SC2 will be on proleague, many actually just leave and rumors of teams kicking out players begin to spread. so they're very worried about this becoming a bigger problem later on.

2) some coaches agree that SC2 seemed boring in comparison to BW.So when they have to force the players to play this game later on, they feel like players wouldn't be doing it for fun anymore = it actually will be forcing it.

3) When they had players practice SC2 and then switch back to SC1 and then back again to SC2, the players seem to have a really hard time adjusting. They say the games are completely different. Even players who switch races later on for SC2 actually say it's just too hard to adjust and so they switch back to their original SC1 race later on.

4) Coaches feel they need to make Proleague even more spectator friendly than before in order to promote SC2 when the switch occurs. They also think that while fans will either adjust or leave the scene, they feel most of them will just adjust.

5) Reason why KT coach wants the English version (since it wasn't covered), is that they want the fans to feel as accommodated as possible when the switch occurs. High templar should be called a high templar; scv as an scv. Fans will just get confused if they start calling it with the Korean names, and so this should be a big issue.

6) SKT actually had a test where they had an actual paper test with the names of the units in Korean on it and they had pictures to match the units. Results = led to hilariousness.

7) Some coaches don't want the switch = but they feel it's inevitable due to sponsor problems and such.

8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.

9) Another coach is worried that since the industry is so young, if they just switch the game as such, the same problems that they had in the past (the mistakes and other such incidents) will simply occur AGAIN with the new game.

10) Coaches are sad that SC1 only grew in Korea. They really wanted it to grow like how SC2 is with MLG. However, they believe that a foreign community (i.e. mentioning Team Liquid) still exists for BW and they were hoping that this community will always exist. They see that while the eSports community has grown with SC2, in actuality, they feel like the Korean eSports Community has simply grown smaller due to this growth.

11) The coaches REALLY WANTED to approach the foreign scene apparently. Like no other. But because of the strong idea that 'BW is ours and proleague is ours', the coaches couldn't approach the foreign scene. They see that the foreign community is there with the comments, team liquid, and youtube videos, but they just couldn't do anything about it. (tone of regret does exist here) They were happy that the previosu finals was done globally, but still sad that it's so late.

12) In terms of 'practice', in comparison to the GSL and other SC2 tournaments, their players are just screwing around. Coaches are also worried that while they have to make SC2 'theirs', the splitting of fans is very worrisome.

13) SKT VS TEAM8 SC2 HAPPENED TROLOLOLOL. Every player was like: wtf is this new hotkey shit? and then when it came down to it, Team8 whopped ass against SKT 4:2. TROLOLOL. One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.

14) coaches see that SC2 is a brand new opportunity for the lower tier players= TBLS won't be as strong in a new game,and thus, this new game is basically a reset button and whoever practices more and such will be the best. Even the older players who were going to leave / force them to quit when SC1 was going to be around now have hope to continue the game.

15) SKT's team has rumors that they have NUMEROUS GM players right now, and so will win next proleague. But SKT's coach denies it and says most of his players are diamond leaguers.

I'll post more after this. Class ended


Link: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=124138&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 13:13:42
April 20 2012 13:12 GMT
#2
In before the storm of you-know-what. Glad to see they're planning, not glad to see its planning the switch to sc2. However, that is only my OPINION.

Also lol at Jihoon. How many people didn't see that coming from our boy? Also if someone could just fish for the thread where the coaches said all their B-teamers and up were just naturally "masters" before they even fully learned the tech paths or new unit abilities.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 13:13:34
April 20 2012 13:12 GMT
#3
Okay it's official that I am going bonkers like hudson in Aliens .... Game over man Game over ...... Bw coaches talking about sc2 makes the transition seem really realistic that is going to happen soon . Good bye bw .

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
April 20 2012 13:15 GMT
#4
- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'



Need to see some Unimpressed Flash memes
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
DeadBull
Profile Joined August 2011
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 13:16:10
April 20 2012 13:15 GMT
#5
- Kim Ga-eul (Samsung Coach) 'Many of our players are unfamiliar to what the Dark Shrine is,
lots of unfamiliar buildings in general'
Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'
- Kim Eun-dong (STX Coach) 'That is true, but SKT have been more active than us'


I lol'd ^^
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
April 20 2012 13:16 GMT
#6
Ugh, they shouldn't take note of foreign events...not that I'm gonna watch anyway. So I guess I shouldn't care.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 20 2012 13:18 GMT
#7
On April 20 2012 22:15 shannn wrote:
Show nested quote +
- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'



Need to see some Unimpressed Flash memes


If you think that is impressive wait till you read this ...


On February 09 2012 01:28 Tomken wrote:
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On February 08 2012 02:03 Plexa wrote:
I too would be interested in this.

[image loading]
Some info at least :>
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
April 20 2012 13:18 GMT
#8
lol at the flash statement
In the Donger I Trust
oGsKneecap
Profile Joined April 2012
16 Posts
April 20 2012 13:19 GMT
#9
it's over
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 20 2012 13:19 GMT
#10
- Lee Ji-hoon (KT Coach) 'We should be using the English version of SC2 as (current BW) fans are more familiar with the English names of units'

Ironic since during GSL casts, we get small "learn Korean" segments that teach the Korean names for SC2 units.

- Eun-dong, Ju Hoon (T8 Coach) 'We should use SC2 as a way of expanding our way of ESPORTS to the foreigners' 'We should also take note of foreign events e.g. MLG'

Interesting for him to mention MLG, especially since in a recent interview with MLG Adam, he hinted that at MLG Anaheim there will be certain stars of a game that hasn't been at MLG before. Some speculate that to mean BW pros at MLG.

- Ji-hoon 'During his (Flash's) rehabilitation, he got to Masters (in SC2) without even knowing what the new units did'

Time to bump the meme thread lol
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
j2choe
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada243 Posts
April 20 2012 13:20 GMT
#11
My God.......it's true............
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 13:26:51
April 20 2012 13:20 GMT
#12
Augh it's a pretty long interview session thing too, I hate that we're only able to see summarized points translated. I'm super interested in reading the entire thing.
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Would it be against the fomos/TL rules to translate it on reddit and link to it here?


On where the thread should be, honestly even though it's KeSPA teams I think it'd be a lot more positive of a thread in the other forum, whereas here it's bound to just be negative. I guess it depends on which you think is better for the community, perhaps even two identical threads in each forum.
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ellerina
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines452 Posts
April 20 2012 13:26 GMT
#13
Putting aside my personal feelings about the whole 'transition', I found the comment about Flash pretty funny.
Still round the corner there may wait , A new road or a secret gate /And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I /Shall take the hidden paths that run/West of the Moon, East of the Sun
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
April 20 2012 13:28 GMT
#14
That's it for me.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
RayOfTheVoid
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway95 Posts
April 20 2012 13:28 GMT
#15
Flash using his god powers ^^
En Taro Adun, Executor.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
April 20 2012 13:29 GMT
#16
Sad face.
RIP MBC Game Hero
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
April 20 2012 13:32 GMT
#17
Yay! I can't wait to see more people play competitive Starcraft!
esports
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 20 2012 13:32 GMT
#18
On April 20 2012 22:28 blubbdavid wrote:
That's it for me.


Oh come on, it's for e-sports man we should support them bw pro's going to sc2 as you can see even the coaches were having a blast talking about sc2 . I mean I don't mind seeing history repeat itself when this guy dominate the scene and the foreign scene will know where their standing is again after all . Korean dominance sound pretty sweet in my opinion.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
April 20 2012 13:34 GMT
#19
On April 20 2012 22:32 Sawamura wrote:
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On April 20 2012 22:28 blubbdavid wrote:
That's it for me.


Oh come on, it's for e-sports man we should support them bw pro's going to sc2 as you can see even the coaches were having a blast talking about sc2 . I mean I don't mind seeing history repeat itself when this guy dominate the scene and the foreign scene will know where their standing is again after all . Korean dominance sound pretty sweet in my opinion.

k, but only if I get monthly packages of Redbull so that I stay awake during the games.
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
April 20 2012 13:36 GMT
#20
Wow, for me as a SC2 Player it is exciting but for the BW Part of me it is sad. The good thing for all of the foraigners is that they are interested in foraign events so we could possibly see our Heroes in Person.
Also the Flash comment suits the meme perfectly!
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