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dotDash
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 22:18:09
April 04 2012 20:20 GMT
#1
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Heya all!

I've been lurking around these parts and given a few comments here and there, this time it is your comments I am after though! As many others I have been trying to get a live stream going and love sharing my gaming experience with others. However, the biggest issue now is that it is so easy to end up being lost in all the other streams available.

So I am coming to you now, dear TL community, to ask for advice of getting a live stream popular. I am sure there are a lot of people out there, like me, trying their very best to provide a entertaining stream but just do not know what to do.

As I am not only after to help myself, I want you to share general tips and so on about improving a stream. However I will also apply everything I can to my own personal stream. This means that this topic might leaning it's focus towards my stream slightly, but nevertheless it's purpose is to help broadcasters to work on their stream and in the end provide the entire community more entertaining streams.

I will however attach a spoiler down below with my stream and some of my goals with the stream. That way people can refer to my stream with positive and negative comments, this will in the end once again provide nice feedback to all streamers out there.

Here are some general tips I have come up with and try to apply to my stream (purpose of this thread is of course to get a longer list than this!).

  • Quality, atleast 720p and proper audio.
  • Unique
  • Commentate
  • Interract with the audience
  • Regular streaming times
  • Be energetic (Sing! lol)


Even though it feels that these points cover most things, they are very abstract. I think the broadcasters(I am atleast) are looking for more detailed answers.

As mentioned above here comes the spoiler containing my stream information for those who are interested:
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First of, here is the link to it obviously: Stream

Second, my story and goals behind the stream. I have always been around strategy games and been dreaming about maybe some day be able to become pro (who hasn't really?! :D). So, for once, I have the opportunity to really devote myself into one game. I have always been busy with either school or something else. But this time there is nothing to stop me.. so I figured I would give it a serious chance!

My main goal right now is to get into GM within 3-4months, while streaming. Behind this I shall remain healthy and show no fear to either streaming or laddering. I think the streaming can help me and motivate to contiune aswell, hence it has become a thing I want to do while trying to reach my goal.

I plan on playing rather macro heavy style, that way viewers who follow me can learn a lot. I will also try to commentate at all times so viewers can follow my thought process.

It might be worth mentioning that I am currently in rather high master. I will also update with a schedule of how I will be playing/streaming during these months, if people request that.

Here's a link to my stream topic here on TL: Stream Topic

Schedule for my gaming (all in CET timezone):
  • Monday        9:00-13:00        and               21:00-0:00
  • Tuesday        9:00-13:00        and               21:00-0:00
  • Wednesday        9:00-13:00        and               21:00-0:00
  • Thursday        9:00-13:00        and               21:00-0:00
  • Friday        9:00-13:00        and sometimes        21:00-0:00
  • Saturday        No gaming schedule as of now.
  • Sunday        No gaming schedule as of now.

Typical openers and styles used in each matchup:
  • TvT - Open with rine/hellion/banshee pressure into expo.
          Usually transition into standard rine/tank/vac play.

  • TvZ - Open standard reactor hellion into loads of rine pressure with delayed tanks.
          Usually transition into standard rine/tank/vac play.

  • TvP - Open with gasless 1rax expo Thorzain style.
          Transition into SkyTerran while protected by tanks.





Here's the requested polls (hidden in spoiler as it's quite large):
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Poll: What music should be played? (With commentery)

The broadcaster's own kickass music! (60)
 
40%

The music from the game is badass! (51)
 
34%

Meh, I dont care as long as I can hear what the broadcaster is saying... (28)
 
19%

No music at all please! (11)
 
7%

150 total votes

Your vote: What music should be played? (With commentery)

(Vote): The music from the game is badass!
(Vote): The broadcaster's own kickass music!
(Vote): No music at all please!
(Vote): Meh, I dont care as long as I can hear what the broadcaster is saying...



Poll: Webcam preferred?

Yes (70)
 
64%

Meh, whatever! (28)
 
26%

No (11)
 
10%

109 total votes

Your vote: Webcam preferred?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): Meh, whatever!



Poll: Custom overlays preferred? (Banners, logos and such)

Meh, whatever! (28)
 
55%

Yes! (20)
 
39%

No! (3)
 
6%

51 total votes

Your vote: Custom overlays preferred? (Banners, logos and such)

(Vote): Yes!
(Vote): No!
(Vote): Meh, whatever!



Poll: Watching stream from different site or actual twitch website?

I always look on a stream on twitch.tv or whatever page it is located at. (31)
 
63%

I like to watch it on a different site like TL (9)
 
18%

Meh, whatever! (9)
 
18%

49 total votes

Your vote: Watching stream from different site or actual twitch website?

(Vote): I like to watch it on a different site like TL
(Vote): I always look on a stream on twitch.tv or whatever page it is located at.
(Vote): Meh, whatever!




Here's a nice quality post from this thread:
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On April 05 2012 23:35 Nerski wrote:
One huge thing I think a lot of people miss in this whole 'I want to be a popular streamer' thing, which very few people will ever be.

You absolutely must be good at something in relation to what you are doing.

Examples

Players: Must at least be playing mostly 'top level' players when they stream ladder. Past that you need to talk and have a personality. If you lack on personality you better be a top 25 to 50 player in your region, and I don't mean ladder alone. See Catz, Idra, Destiny, Huk, Incontrol, Sen, etc.

Personalities: You need to do a 'good amount' of quality content that is 'entertaining' on a fairly scheduled basis. See DJWheat, Day9.

Misc: For everyone else you need something 'unique', so this area is a lot harder to fit into as almost everything has been done already. You still need to produce quality content with your unique idea or nobody will watch or care.

List Of What You Need

- Quality....watchable, well produced, flows well.
- Entertainment...it has to in some way shape or form be enjoyable.
- Skill...this doesn't mean just 'game skill' it can be other skills like talking, joking, etc.
- Consistency...whatever you do you will probably have to do it for a long time with no viewers to slowly pick up views.
- *luck...so this one may seem 'odd' but sometimes "you're better lucky then good", is a true statement. Maybe you just happen to be a bit 'quirky' in a way that really grabs people...the next guy comes along a month after you that's similar but doesn't pick up as well.


What You Don't 'Need'

- Unique...what you do doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, I think this is a misconception. Having a new idea is good but not a requirement. So I guess the lesson would be, don't try to be unique to the point what you're doing doesn't make sense.
- Fake Humor...I've seen a billion and 2 Husky, Day9, or whatever imitations...also I mean blatant ones. You are funny or not, if not realize it and be entertaining in other ways.
- To be the best X...you don't have to be the best player, entertainer, or whatever. You do however have to have a good combination. IE: A pretty good player, but really funny etc.






And with that being said, hit me with all your ideas and such involving streams! I will check this topic atleast two times a day to update any potential material.

Apologies if I failed with my english somewhere!


EDIT1 (2012-04-05): Added more stuff to "the list", the requested polls, a schedule to my stream and a link to my stream topic in case people want to write anything stream specific and feel it should be going there instead.

EDIT2 (2012-04-05): Added list of most used openers and styles vs each MU, put the polls in a spoiler (tell me if this was a bad idea!). Also added a quality quote by Nerski.

EDIT3 (2012-04-14): Added additional requested polls. They are found by the rest of the polls!

Cheers
Dan
Feel free to tune in to my stream! Highmaster T aiming for GM with commentary! http://video.gamecreds.com/1sy1sfohwo31n/channel/dotDash-T-going-for-GM
cvgHuShang
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada95 Posts
April 04 2012 21:23 GMT
#2
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but look at it this way. If you are trying to be 'unique' then asking people for advice on streaming isn't going to give you that. All of the general things you have given are what you need but to make it unique you really need your own ideas. I don't think anyone giving ideas, even if they are unique, will get you anywhere as i'm sure such a good idea will be gobbled up by all the other streamers who read this post . Although... ill try to give you some dece advice anyways..

A couple streams that I personally find interesting (I only watch toss streams by the way) are Attero's stream and HwangSin's stream. You'll notice that Attero's stream features unique and often interesting builds where as hwangsins stream features his awesome singing talent. Hopefully you've seen it before. In both scenarios they're offering something different. I picked these streams especially because they are different paths of entertainment. You should choose something that either peaks the persons interest in terms of style or you should be entertaining in some way or form.

Basically... commentate your play of course, and then also figure out what makes you entertaining and likeable and incorporate that into your stream. Give people something to be attached to you, a reason to feel connected to your stream and your play.

Sorry that it's so general, but like I said, it's got to be you that creates a uniqueness to your stream if you really want to be popular. I hope it helps spur some creativity on your end. Ill be checking your stream to see what you came up with !
Make love not war, condoms are cheaper than guns.
Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
April 04 2012 21:26 GMT
#3
a) Flawless quality.
b) Good content.
c) Regular streaming times.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quenchiest
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada286 Posts
April 04 2012 22:02 GMT
#4
I'd be willing to say getting a popular personal (ie. non event/tournament) stream is almost 100% personality and viewer interaction. If you're a boring sounding guy who doesn't respond to his chat much, you likely aren't going anywhere. People who watch like to feel like they're being listened too. The typical pro SC2 player doesn't necessarily need this because they've got fans that would watch them stream even if was being streamed through a tin can, but for your average joe you need to offer a good viewing experience.

Go watch someone like Towelliee, or MANvsGAME stream on twitch sometime and you'll easily understand that it's not necessarily the game they play that brings them viewers. Not SC2, but both are people who built up their stream and fanbase over about a year and now they regularly get 1500-2000+ viewers.
Mossen
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 22:17:00
April 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#5
I agree with Quenchiest. You could be a great GM player, but why would someone watch your stream over InControl or IdrA? Conversely, you could be streaming as a Bronze leaguer but if your personality is funny or your games are entertaining in some way that others aren't, you will get many views. Simply commentating your games or interacting with the audience isn't going to cut it. Maybe think of some gimmick that also makes people think. Like Destiny's all-Queen strategy or Gheed's worker rush.

If you want to get noticed, be entertaining first, then after you have someone's attention they will think "This guy is funny AND a great player." That is what keeps people coming back. Personally, I don't even care about stream quality - if the stream is entertaining I will watch it.
Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1258 Posts
April 04 2012 22:21 GMT
#6
On April 05 2012 07:02 Quenchiest wrote:
I'd be willing to say getting a popular personal (ie. non event/tournament) stream is almost 100% personality and viewer interaction. If you're a boring sounding guy who doesn't respond to his chat much, you likely aren't going anywhere. People who watch like to feel like they're being listened too. The typical pro SC2 player doesn't necessarily need this because they've got fans that would watch them stream even if was being streamed through a tin can, but for your average joe you need to offer a good viewing experience.

Go watch someone like Towelliee, or MANvsGAME stream on twitch sometime and you'll easily understand that it's not necessarily the game they play that brings them viewers. Not SC2, but both are people who built up their stream and fanbase over about a year and now they regularly get 1500-2000+ viewers.


The problem with this in less popular streams is that people never talk in the chat so we aren't even given an opportunity to talk with them besides the occasional commentary and thoughts on the game.
@GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
April 04 2012 22:23 GMT
#7
I think the biggest hurdle is getting up to, say, a hundred viewers. Most non-featured's are stuck at sub-10 viewers. It's kind of hard to expand your viewerbase at that point, unless we are all doing it wrong :/
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
MigzR
Profile Joined October 2011
Portugal89 Posts
April 04 2012 22:25 GMT
#8
be good
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 22:26:41
April 04 2012 22:26 GMT
#9
Get really good at the game, get some fans

or do this for insta 10k viewers

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ContactKilla
Profile Joined December 2010
United States194 Posts
April 04 2012 22:27 GMT
#10
Everytime Im shirtless I get more viewers. True story.

Lol but for real, the more im talking and laughing, the longer my viewers stay on. Im always in a group call with buddies and the viewers seem to enjoy that. At least mine do.

Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
April 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#11
Honestly, I'm surprised MaximusBlack is still not on the featured list. He pulls a solid 1k viewers pretty commonly.
Flood1993
Profile Joined September 2011
Spain61 Posts
April 05 2012 00:54 GMT
#12
When I look out for some streams to watch, one thing I consider important FOR ME (maybe the most important, even more than being plat or GM) is that the streamer adds a cam of him to the stream (not hands only or anything), being him a pro or not.

But a thing to consider about this is that it is important not to be like a soulless man in front of the computer, but like a guy who have emotions, that smiles or laughs at things seen on the internet in between games, that rubs his hair after a close game like: "if I just splitted my marines a bit better >:/", or "OMG how is this guy capable of beating me that easily, he must be cheating" (and do some ragey move to the viewers, but in an entertaining way, not in a "he is cheating and I will report him for that!!!" way. Note that it doesn't have to be bad mannered)... Well, that shows he is human and feels comfortable about "interacting" with the viewers.

The point where I want to get is that, at least for me (that I consider the importance of the stream quality in a relation of 70% the said above and 30% the players level), the most important thing is to keep the viewers entertained, I prefer watching someone in gold league that fits with the written above than watching a top GM korean that I can only see when he makes pylons and the army composition (what I mean by that is just SC2-related things).

Of course I understand that there are people who just want to polish their gameplay so that they watch X player more based on his skills.

PD: The stream I always watch if available is Dragon one, it is just so good to watch (for me). Take care.
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
April 05 2012 00:58 GMT
#13
It's hard to go through the non-featured. :[
God Young ho
Scufo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States136 Posts
April 05 2012 03:01 GMT
#14
On April 05 2012 07:47 Cubeface wrote:
Honestly, I'm surprised MaximusBlack is still not on the featured list. He pulls a solid 1k viewers pretty commonly.

I wanna say he's not the most popular on TL because he's considered a scrub or whatever.

But if you're looking for a success story by an "average joe" kind of guy, look no further. He's got the right kind of personality for it. He talks plenty between games, interacts with the chat, streams at regular times, and occasionally does silly/funny stuff on camera.

Of course, he was a successful Youtuber long before pulling 1k viewers on stream. But he still does a lot of things right.
NoobStyles
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Australia257 Posts
April 05 2012 03:55 GMT
#15
You have a few options:

1. Build a time machine and be ~B/+ rank Iccup + post on TL a bit
2. Win something big
3. be better than the Koreans than get ~500 viewers

The reality is that random TL member Joe Blogs90723458934752 is never going to amass a huge streamer following regardless of how much he talks and interacts with the 3 people that decided to watch his stream. You could try and start doing other shit in the community and hope it catches on. Then as a byproduct of that popularity could be more people watching the stream. But its not like there isn't a ton of people doing "other shit" in the community hopping to strike gold and get e-famous.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
April 05 2012 04:10 GMT
#16
Honestly, it comes more down to the fact that most people stream at totally random times and quit for months at a time. If you stream every day for 3 or 4 hours a shot, talk to people in chat and be a reasonably high level (masters, non cheesey) player you can start to build a fanbase. Just don't expect it to happen overnight, I mean hell I've streamed to myself forever alone style and I've gone up to 30 or 40 viewers before (woah omg amazing).

You can't stream because you want everybody to watch, you have to stream because you want to. If streaming makes your rig lag, or your gameplay feel shoddy then you'll quit before you get anybody to follow you. If you stream every day for a month you'll probably get 10+ viewers each time you stream by the end of that month, at the end of 2 months it'll probably be higher. It might even take a year to get 2 or 300 people to watch you stream.

If you want to stream, then stream. If you just want viewers and people to talk to about your play then you'll never get there.
Live hard, live free.
ChestKunt
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada81 Posts
April 05 2012 04:26 GMT
#17
hey im on the photo! :"D
i love my collosi and storms <3
Mechanism4
Profile Joined March 2011
United States20 Posts
April 05 2012 05:12 GMT
#18
Could we add some polls to the OP.

I am also looking to improve my streaming experience. I have been streaming for about a couple of weeks now.
I think i've had an ok start. A few viewers have stayed for a while. I continually working on things like commentating while improving gameplay and adding things like a background image to the stream channel.

A couple of polls I would like to see is:

-How many viewers want to see none SC2 related music such as dubstep and if the streamer does not stream none SC2 related music should the streamer turn off the in-game music.

-How many viewers want the streamer to have a webcam

I currently am not streaming any music because I don't want to somehow end up with a copywrite infringment and I think viewers would want to put on their own music instead.

I don't have a webcam at the moment. After reading above posts I am considering getting one. Like the OP fitness is something I want to improve on. I have found doing some pushups in between matches can really help with any nervousness you may have as well as you get stronger. It may also allow for the streamer to commentate final thoughts on last match at the start of the next match so there is a little more to do than watch workers gather minerals.

How would doing pushups effect the viewership. I'm sure some people wouldn't really want to watch some guy doing some pushups and possibly getting a little sweaty on a webcam on a SC2 stream. Then again I could bet if Day9 started doing some pushups as interaction with his viewers, a lot more people would start working out more.
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
April 05 2012 05:19 GMT
#19
The problem becomes not how to keep your viewers, it's how to get them. You could have an amazing personality, constant interaction with viewers, funny, etc, but that is only going to help you retain your viewers. The problem is getting them to click on your stream, opposed to the other 150 streams.
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
April 05 2012 05:27 GMT
#20
If you listen to music while you play, sing along with it. People love that. The worse you are the better. Also, oh my god that video. I am seriously considering acting like that on my stream.
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