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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
PS sorry about spellin been up for a long as time dont really care to spell check my stuff ^^ | ||
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 05 2012 20:48 ki11z0ne wrote: its all about marketing your self the right way depends on what kinda of aduience you want to draw in and what not... really a good way to jump start your stream is to get lucky enought to get interviewed at mlg or something but 1st you have to have an aduience to begin with... its a long hard drawn out proces can take months befor you even get 50 veiwers but really you just have to get your name out their so peopl know who you are PS sorry about spellin been up for a long as time dont really care to spell check my stuff ^^ Agreed! But also, you think you can come up with some ideas on how to do that? We've seen a lot of ideas here for how to keep your viewers and such by doing all kind of stuff. But how would one try to spread his stream? Cheers Dan | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Quality: 720p for the viewer very very good, can see supply easily without squinting. 360p a little blurry in most cases. Mic and webcam where both don't make you look and sound like a noob at broadcasting. Watch The Executives show with Total Biscuit. He has loads of tips for streamers. Episode #3 the business of being Total Biscuit, I believe. Even throws out the mic he uses, which is the best investment according to him. One more note ... broadcasting is tied to your SC2 experience so identify your goals. If you're trying to be the best and gotta catch them all, enroll in every online tournament you can make and broadcast them (The eye-catching mechanism TeamLiquid provides gives streamers of the tournament a front-page link. Those are misclicks you want (haha). You always see 8 guys streaming their Playhem daily runs and frequently none of them is the winner). You'll get a story of going from 100th in a playhem to 80th and onward. You are, in essence, taking viewers on a journey of your skill progression and tournaments have a mini benchmark. Best of luck. I'm a sub-10 streamer, but I stream purely for the ability to see when my mouse cursor is not helping me but hurting me in the game. It took a PC Bang experience of a Korean yelling STOP STARING to gain another 500 pts on the ladder so the VOD perspective is helpful. | ||
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 05 2012 21:08 Danglars wrote: All those bolded words gave me a headache! For tips on writing a better post, can I suggest you try to keep them limited to section headers and to point out a big focal point you'll be spending a couple of paragraphs on? I'm real happy that you LOVE sharing your gaming experience (all caps here used to confer the emotion in the exaggerated roll-your-eyes way it came off) and that people out there are trying their "very best." Okay, enough of the downer. It looked like Mr Bold took his shotgun and interspersed it everywhere instead of allowing some points to develop on their own instead of screaming at your from the start. Point taken, I will see if I can edit some of them out.  On April 05 2012 21:08 Danglars wrote: Quality: 720p for the viewer very very good, can see supply easily without squinting. 360p a little blurry in most cases. Mic and webcam where both don't make you look and sound like a noob at broadcasting. Im currently running with 720p with maybe slightly low bitrate, this will however get better later on. My sound is, as mentioned before, slightly screwed over becuase of xsplit settings. I intend on buying xsplit though. A new slightly better cam might be a good investment... On April 05 2012 21:08 Danglars wrote: Watch The Executives show with Total Biscuit. He has loads of tips for streamers. Episode #3 the business of being Total Biscuit, I believe. Even throws out the mic he uses, which is the best investment according to him. Are you refering to this one? If so I will definitely take a look. On April 05 2012 21:08 Danglars wrote: One more note ... broadcasting is tied to your SC2 experience so identify your goals. If you're trying to be the best and gotta catch them all, enroll in every online tournament you can make and broadcast them (The eye-catching mechanism TeamLiquid provides gives streamers of the tournament a front-page link. Those are misclicks you want (haha). You always see 8 guys streaming their Playhem daily runs and frequently none of them is the winner). You'll get a story of going from 100th in a playhem to 80th and onward. You are, in essence, taking viewers on a journey of your skill progression and tournaments have a mini benchmark. Best of luck. I'm a sub-10 streamer, but I stream purely for the ability to see when my mouse cursor is not helping me but hurting me in the game. It took a PC Bang experience of a Korean yelling STOP STARING to gain another 500 pts on the ladder so the VOD perspective is helpful. Good idea with the tournament part. I feel that I need to improve slightly more and keep on going with ladder for now. But I will definitely go for some tournaments as soon as I feel on top of my game. Cheers Dan | ||
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Lunden
Denmark79 Posts
relaxing music is also incredible nice, like the solo piano radio on Trumps sc2 stream, god I miss that. ofc u cant base ur choice of music from a single persons view, but u must play something the majority would like. If I tune into a stream that plays K-pop, i shut it down immediately no matter who is streaming. this may be obvious, just wanted to share my opinion. gl with ur stream, will tune in next time! | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
You absolutely must be good at something in relation to what you are doing. Examples Players: Must at least be playing mostly 'top level' players when they stream ladder. Past that you need to talk and have a personality. If you lack on personality you better be a top 25 to 50 player in your region, and I don't mean ladder alone. See Catz, Idra, Destiny, Huk, Incontrol, Sen, etc. Personalities: You need to do a 'good amount' of quality content that is 'entertaining' on a fairly scheduled basis. See DJWheat, Day9. Misc: For everyone else you need something 'unique', so this area is a lot harder to fit into as almost everything has been done already. You still need to produce quality content with your unique idea or nobody will watch or care. List Of What You Need - Quality....watchable, well produced, flows well. - Entertainment...it has to in some way shape or form be enjoyable. - Skill...this doesn't mean just 'game skill' it can be other skills like talking, joking, etc. - Consistency...whatever you do you will probably have to do it for a long time with no viewers to slowly pick up views. - *luck...so this one may seem 'odd' but sometimes "you're better lucky then good", is a true statement. Maybe you just happen to be a bit 'quirky' in a way that really grabs people...the next guy comes along a month after you that's similar but doesn't pick up as well. What You Don't 'Need' - Unique...what you do doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, I think this is a misconception. Having a new idea is good but not a requirement. So I guess the lesson would be, don't try to be unique to the point what you're doing doesn't make sense. - Fake Humor...I've seen a billion and 2 Husky, Day9, or whatever imitations...also I mean blatant ones. You are funny or not, if not realize it and be entertaining in other ways. - To be the best X...you don't have to be the best player, entertainer, or whatever. You do however have to have a good combination. IE: A pretty good player, but really funny etc. | ||
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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beg
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horsebanger
141 Posts
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 05 2012 22:35 lunden0608 wrote: + Show Spoiler + relaxing music is also incredible nice, like the solo piano radio on Trumps sc2 stream, god I miss that. ofc u cant base ur choice of music from a single persons view, but u must play something the majority would like. If I tune into a stream that plays K-pop, i shut it down immediately no matter who is streaming. this may be obvious, just wanted to share my opinion. I'll try out to pick something nice for the viewers that still works good with me, and give that piano radio a shot! Thanks for the comment! On April 05 2012 23:35 Nerski wrote: + Show Spoiler + One huge thing I think a lot of people miss in this whole 'I want to be a popular streamer' thing, which very few people will ever be. You absolutely must be good at something in relation to what you are doing. Examples Players: Must at least be playing mostly 'top level' players when they stream ladder. Past that you need to talk and have a personality. If you lack on personality you better be a top 25 to 50 player in your region, and I don't mean ladder alone. See Catz, Idra, Destiny, Huk, Incontrol, Sen, etc. Personalities: You need to do a 'good amount' of quality content that is 'entertaining' on a fairly scheduled basis. See DJWheat, Day9. Misc: For everyone else you need something 'unique', so this area is a lot harder to fit into as almost everything has been done already. You still need to produce quality content with your unique idea or nobody will watch or care. List Of What You Need - Quality....watchable, well produced, flows well. - Entertainment...it has to in some way shape or form be enjoyable. - Skill...this doesn't mean just 'game skill' it can be other skills like talking, joking, etc. - Consistency...whatever you do you will probably have to do it for a long time with no viewers to slowly pick up views. - *luck...so this one may seem 'odd' but sometimes "you're better lucky then good", is a true statement. Maybe you just happen to be a bit 'quirky' in a way that really grabs people...the next guy comes along a month after you that's similar but doesn't pick up as well. What You Don't 'Need' - Unique...what you do doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, I think this is a misconception. Having a new idea is good but not a requirement. So I guess the lesson would be, don't try to be unique to the point what you're doing doesn't make sense. - Fake Humor...I've seen a billion and 2 Husky, Day9, or whatever imitations...also I mean blatant ones. You are funny or not, if not realize it and be entertaining in other ways. - To be the best X...you don't have to be the best player, entertainer, or whatever. You do however have to have a good combination. IE: A pretty good player, but really funny etc. Thank you very much for the very informative post! I'll quote this to the OP so that others can see it! I'll try my very best to pull out the most important things out of this one. On April 06 2012 00:18 beg wrote: -be female On April 06 2012 00:19 horsebanger wrote: also a nice cleavage helps Brb race-change! Heard blizz had services for that... ...also, maybe I should get my girlfriend into the picture now and then! :O Cheers Dan | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
I agree with that you should commentate (you will learn faster yourself when u analyse replays or suffer big losses). Webcam makes it a personal experience (plus I can see if my eyes are looking the right places when I watch my own stream). | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Just feature pro's (in the sense of being able to compete in top tournaments). Reason being that casters already take a lot of the attention away from top players, don't need so called ''personality's'' to take away their stream views as well. Need to start supporting skill in this game. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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dotDash
Sweden142 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:22 Technique wrote: In my opinion mediocre players like destiny should not be featured. Just feature pro's (in the sense of being able to compete in top tournaments). Reason being that casters already take a lot of the attention away from top players, don't need so called ''personality's'' to take away their stream views as well. Need to start supporting skill in this game. I disagree, I think that streams should be divided into atleast two parts. One for pro gaming, for learning that is, and the other part being for entertainment. Sometimes you wanna watch a stream to learn to new stuff, other times you just want to have a good time. Example, Husky's casting is pure entertainment (pretty much), while maybe a stream of a pro like MKP is for you to analyse his gameplay and learn new stuff. On April 06 2012 01:56 SoniC_eu wrote: Ok so I checked out the stream. It looks very professional with the setup. I think you should enroll in playhem and just go for it...Gl with the streaming Glad you liked it! Im actually streaming at this moment and will be doing so for another 3 hours! Feel free to tune in! Cheers Dan | ||
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Bonkerz
United States831 Posts
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xhO
Sweden5 Posts
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:01 Scufo wrote: I wanna say he's not the most popular on TL because he's considered a scrub or whatever. But if you're looking for a success story by an "average joe" kind of guy, look no further. He's got the right kind of personality for it. He talks plenty between games, interacts with the chat, streams at regular times, and occasionally does silly/funny stuff on camera. Of course, he was a successful Youtuber long before pulling 1k viewers on stream. But he still does a lot of things right. I'll never forget the moment a caller calls Inside The Game to call out x6 for being a joke team that just hire scrubs for name recognition. PainUsers trying to deflect this and the caller just namedrops MaximusBlack. Wheat goes to check his stream and he's there in full chainmail singing songs. I'll never watch him but for that moment I'll always remember him. | ||
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On April 05 2012 07:25 MigzR wrote: be good Not really. Being the best of the best will only get you viewers if you don't have great stream quality and you talk with viewers and give commentary while you play or are entertaining. The other day LosirA and Destiny were both streaming at the same time and while Destiny had 4k+ viewers LosirA only had about 400. Hell even right now Sen has 1.5k viewers while LosirA is hanging out with 400. People like commentary and talking, look at someone like Demuslim's or IdrA's stream when they commentate and when they don't, they easily pull thousands of more people in when they talk opposed when they don't. I'm sure even Demu's girl can account for a lot more viewers and all she does is sit there. | ||
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