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Pandain
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Pandain
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Pandain
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That was, until one fateful day, there was a royal party in the loveliest of places. A giant summer mansion. One friendly owner. Eight golden tickets to happiness. Monsieur Dragoné was bored, as was the entire continent. Owning a summer mansion in the San Francisco Bay of gloriously sunny California, he decided to fly from his home in New York to spend a few weeks at this paradise. But what fun is a mansion without some company? That is when the invitations were sent out. He called prominent members from around the globe to join him. Ghost, most beautiful princess in the world and soon to inherit the royal British throne, TheToast, Scientist and Researcher of Marine Life at Hawaii's Pacific University, Paperscraps- Brilliant child prodigy who by age 12 had solved Fermat's Last Theorem, Palmar, Renowned brain surgeon with a PhD in neurology, Misder, Advocate for the rights of adopted and foster children, A Killer Cuppa Tea, there is nothing to say about him he is perfectly average and unremarkable, Decondou, Owner of a large law firm and graduate of Harvard Law School, Probulus Second Coming of Jesus, but his mortal parents died before they could tell him, and God took a century vacation. Snarfs, French Billionaire who made his fortune in the coal industry, Jackal, Writer of murder mystery novels living in London, Paris, rtgICEMAN, Richest man in the universe after his invention of a new computer company that combined the best qualities of Apple and PC, Pandain, Famous gay douchebag Bluelightz, Eccentric microchip pioneer who named himself bluelightz after a near death experience where he saw a blue light, and not rgTheSchworz With all of these people, he hoped to have the summer of a lifetime! All of them were very excited, for Monsieur Dragoné was very famous and being invited to his residency was of the highest honors. That is, until, they arrived in a heap of confusion to find Monsieur Dragoné no where to be found. He was about to play the game of a life time. It is Day 1. You may now begin. | ||
Pandain
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Probulous stop spamming the thread. Your pulling a Pandain and making the whole thread a shitfest of spam. Why does it matter where people are? Why do you say a post to say "hey is anyone here?" If you keep spamming the thread, it creates a bad atmosphere that hurts the town. I'm too tired to explain but just stop posting if it doesn't have a real purpose, and never post if your just bored. + Show Spoiler + On a separate note, have you played much mafia here? Only contributes to spam. Keep outside conversations outside. | ||
Pandain
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Pandain
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I'm most suspicious of The_Toast. Contrary to his last game as town, (filter HERE) he is much more taciturn this game. Compare that with his current posts. All hes done is agree with what others said, and justify his own views(almost guiltily/apolegtic.) Pandain's point is valid none-the-less. We need to avoid getting sidetracked. That's all I was trying to say. I would say why don't we wait for a few hours and see if we actually have any lurkers. And obvious scum should still be lynched first day one, if there are really no good candidates I would say then we should consider lynching a lurker. But in that case the lurker would be the best candidate, so I still say lynches need to be based on good analysis. generic, "pro town" advice.I reiterate: silly lynch rules really only benefit scum. Logical analysis first please. wasn't trying to specifically call you out. See the first word in that bolded sentence? "WE" As in ALL of us, together, need to avoid getting side tracked. I'm also unsure how you get me accusing you of "spamming" from me saying we need to avoid getting side tracked. And to be fair, you did start a side conversation with Misder. I don't know that constitutes "spamming", but it's not going to lead to posts that can provide good analysis one way or the other. Just saying. I wasn't trying to say you were spamming, I don't know why you are being so defensive about this. Pandain made a point about avoiding outside conversation in the thread, I agreed with that point. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. So no, I don't have a problem with it. And you're right, I do try to think logically. As such I don't think two posts by themselves are enough to prove anyone as scum. #vote the Toast | ||
Pandain
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Given that I don't think mafia would ever have the balls to fake claim blue day 1, I'm going to have to go with townie/blue. Speaking of which, if theres a watcher out there watch RG because mafia are going to try to kill him unless we have someone watching him. AKCT hasn't done anything scummy. At least not anything that we can pinpoint definitively too. Right now your just clouded by the fact they both accused you, and you probably think anyone who supports you is town to. That's a dangerous, oftentimes wrong assumption to make. The_Toast, to the best of day1 analysis can go, is our best bet for right now. | ||
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On March 02 2012 08:49 Probulous wrote: I agree on RG. If you have courage take a look at Arkham City (Adam rolls his eyes). He claimed everything under the sun and looked scummy as hell but ended up being a regular vet. The fact that he put together an atrocious case on me and called it so makes him pretty much town in my eyes. Weird play but produced some interesting results. Tea however jumped at the opportunity to call me scum when everyone else who pushed me, never did. RG clearly didn't believe I was scum or he would have pushed much harder but tea sheeps. Then he tries to explain his sheep with the worst possible logic available. He could be townie who doesn't know what is going on, but if that is the case why jump at me? He wants to look like he is contributing when he isn't. I am fully aware that townies will target other townies. That happens all the time, that is why people's motivations for posting are important. From what I have seen from Tea he wants to look like he is contributing without contributing. Hence my suspicion. The fact that it was me is irrelevant. AKCT isn't actingi scummy. What was his first post? A vote of you with no explanation. Mafia would never ever EVER do that, that's so suspicious. Mafia are usually careful, and reticent in demeanor(part of why I think The_Toast is mafia). Theres one thing I have suspicions about but as of yet I'm waiting to see what he does about it, and telling him will ruin it. As of now I feel any evidence regarding AKCT is speculative, while more conclusive evidence is elsewhere. Toast's latest response is more interesting actually.... On March 02 2012 08:55 TheToast wrote: Let me get this straight. You think I'm scum because I'm being too nice? Based on what, the one* other game of mafia I've played? Well then, why don't you take a closer look at that game, you might see that I didn't post any serious analysis or votes until like 24 hours into the game. I prefer to wait until there is a good amount of evidence before making any votes or claims. And why does agreeing with you contribute to my scumminess? Are you now suddenly in favor of conversations that side track the game? Or just in favor of lynching people who agree with you about avoiding conversations that side track the thread? I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided. Pandain right now you have 4 posts in this game. You called out Probulous with some vague accusations: Then after both probe and sandroba call you out on this, you've very next post is--not responding to either of these--but rather to come out claiming Probulous is town--without a single shred of evidence or analysis--and claiming that I am scum based on scant evidence. Then post #4, have you addressed probe or sandroba's accusations? Nope. You tell Probe (who again, has not mysteriously become townish) that his vote on AKCoT is bad and that tunneling me is the best bet. Pandain, right now I still don't think there is enough evidence against you to make a scum call; but it looks to me like you are desperately trying to focus attention off of yourself. Contrast this tone with the others. Looks like hes trying hard to make a good point(with italics + bolding and shit). Not only that but while writing this post he researched other players(shown by his accusations of me, saying how I had 4 posts, noting my play). His accusations of me mean that he could either be a trigger-happy townie, or that he's trying to downplay me. I can't determine anything out of that, actually it sort of helps his case. This part is quite interesting though: I love how you quoted me defending you against Probe's accusation as well. Excellent evidence you have provided. I'm interested what you meant by that, Toast. Why would you defending me lend you any town support? How would you know if I'm town? By far though the most compelling and persuasive argument against him is the fact that he accused me, rather certainly in his opinion, that i was "desperately trying to hide something", and that I'm playing scummily. And yet overall, I'm not a good enough vote? Seems a bit of a paradox there. | ||
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Can you explain why you don't view Toast as scum? You gave a vague reason but I'm sure you have more. | ||
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On March 03 2012 01:59 Mattchew wrote: Current Vote Count: Paindain -1 Sandroba TheToast - 1 Paindain ... | ||
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On March 02 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote: Well for one he has been pretty consistent. Then he got indignant when I was needling him. I admit that my reading of his accusation was weak, I was really just seeking clarity around what he meant by "sidetracked" but he got flustered. To me this reads like someone trying to avoid a stupid argument. Given that was what he was trying to do from the start, it looks townie. Finally his response to your case is clear frustation. He isn't scared or submissive but rather frustrated that he can't seem to establish his innocence. It would have been much easier for him to target someone else but instead he attempts to clarify his position. His point about you quoting me looks like sarcasm. All in all it doesn't read as scum to me. He was consistent because he had to explain himself. All the posts were related to you calling him out(unjustly). And just because he's consistent doesn't mean he's not scum. I look at all those posts in a different perspective. The apologetic mood(refer to Ver's analysis of Misder in "How to Improve", the strong reaction to being accused, and the lack of any contribution to town(all he's done is defend himself) is very suspicious to me. I feel the suspicions against Misder are weak. The real suspicious thing hes done is his latest post, where he just posted a list with no substance, but people seem to focus on his earlier posts, which took place at the very beginning of the game. I don't think there's a better case on Misder then there is Toast. | ||
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How do you know what is correct? "They have correctly identified me as town", mafia do that all the time. In fact one of the best ways to gain town cred as mafia is to say "yeah this guy is innocent" when he's getting lynched. And his latest play is suspicious. The harsh reaction to Sandroba's bad vote reasoning, as well as to my quote of the above material, hes playing like he's mafia. Misder's made one crappy post and now people are lynching him. And personally, there is more reason for the mafia to try to get better than for a bored townie. | ||
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Person A: Hey I think your hair is ugly! Person B: HEY! But ok I'll fix it. Person A: Ok Now your alright. Its counter productive. What's the point of accusing them if the goal is "to improve". We lynch scum, we don't lynch lurkers. | ||
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On March 03 2012 05:31 TheToast wrote: Are you trying to discourage me from arguing against you as scum? Sandro, you've got only got 12 posts this game, clearly you've been lurking. You've made only one piss poor attempt at analysis, every other post you have made so far has been a short bit of weird fluff. It's glaringly clear you're not a vanilla townie this game. Idk what you rolled, but SK makes the most sense to me right now. It explains the lurker, and explains the abundance of fluff--even scum would be attempting to steer the game in some direction. If you can come up with something that explains your behavior this game, I'm all ears. That's not "pointing out his posts are weird and lurky. " That's saying "no your analysis is shit." when Sandorba just made a one liner. The other game is just support. The main thing, regardless, is that you have played "guiltily" like mafia do, you have not contributed original thoughts, and your harsh reactions to weak accusations. That could be a thesis statement for an AP english essay. Think about that. | ||
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And Sandroba's were poor, yes. | ||
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The beginning: Played apologetically(note this is how Ver caught Misder in his guide ), played defensively, cautiously. This is what new mafia do. Note the stuff he's said, like "thats all i was saying" and the general "im sorry" mood. The middle: I post an analysis of him and he reacts STRONGLY. Despite not having actually contributed to the thread before or since , whenever he gets accused he happens to be passionate. More than that, notice that anytime hes accused he reacts. Like when Sandroba posted that one liner, or I quoted the vote thing(which wasn't even an accusation.) He treated it like one, because that was in his mindset. Mafia will be afraid of getting caught, so they view everything in perspective of making sure they appear town. Not only that, but his whole "damm pandain you have horrible arguments and are acting scum" and "but your still not good enough to vote" are pretty ironic considering the strength of his accusations of me. No one else is more suspicious. The votes on Misder are suspicious( no reason Jackal, poor reason Jackal, and then decondou is ok). Palmar is not a good vote. while he is definitely suspicious, we should not lynch a vet day 1 just because he hasn't played 100% pro townish. I think we need to examine him more later, when we have more evidence. I feel there's just not enough on him. | ||
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