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On January 24 2012 13:54 zelblade wrote: /in. Eh dreamflower i think u missed out my signup. | ||
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On January 25 2012 05:20 dreamflower wrote: Sorry for missing you, zelblade! The game will now have 13 players, with 9 town-aligned players and 4 Mafia. The game will start tonight at 03:00 GMT (+00:00). Role PMs will be sent out then. Thank you all for your patience and enthusiasm! No problem lol. | ||
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Thus, i believe that lynching me or anyone else "randomly" is a horrible idea. As for what to do with our day 1 lynch, i suggest that we lynch a lurker unless a better canditate comes up. Remember that we still have alot of time left before the deadline, so we should utilize this time well to discuss and find a better lynch candidate than lynching by reverse-alphabetical order. | ||
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To town, we need to post more, as more posts = more contributions, and would allow us to make analysis and thus help to pin down who the scum are. | ||
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On January 25 2012 15:40 slOosh wrote: Ok this post is really weird. 1) OP clearly states Mafia KP. Of course this is a newbie game so y'know, people make mistakes. 2) This post doesn't actually give us anything new or that helpful. We can do the math and figure how many mislynches we have till Lylo, which isn't information you typically use day 1. I mean, unless you push for no lynch, how's that info help? 3) This is the part that got me from giving benefit of the doubt to feeling weird: What the heck? Who does this? Who addresses town? A town post would have started at "we need to post more ...". #FOS zelblade 1) Opps my bad, didnt see that part. 2) I was simply trying to generate some discussion as it would seem that no one was talking much, and trying to emphasise that we need to use our lynches carefully. 3) I am sorry if that came off at scummy, and what i simply meant by that part was that town needs to post more. | ||
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On January 25 2012 14:19 zelblade wrote:As for what to do with our day 1 lynch, i suggest that we lynch a lurker unless a better canditate comes up. Remember that we still have alot of time left before the deadline, so we should utilize this time well to discuss and find a better lynch candidate than lynching by reverse-alphabetical order. If i wasnt clear here, i apologise. What i meant to say i that we ought to lynch a lurker if we cannot find a better targert at the end of the day, and that it should be done only if there is/are no clear targert(s) at the end of day 1, instead of using RNG (or in this case, reverse-alphabetical order) to determine who is our day 1 lynch (which i believe zarepath seems to be advocating). | ||
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On January 26 2012 00:29 Simberto wrote: EBWOP And that (no random lynching) includes zarepath who has also already stated that he does not believe in random lynching anymore. So why did you bring him up again? I was trying to explain the contradiction u pointed out earlier. | ||
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On January 26 2012 08:01 DoYouHas wrote: I believe zelblade is our best lynch option. Just look at what he did when thrust into the spotlight. He has been apologizing and clarifying posts (which were already pretty clear) ever since spl0osh criticized his second post. Instead of using the spotlight to voice his own suspicions or convince us of his innocence, he has tried to move out of the spotlight as quickly and quietly as possible, while avoiding offending anyone. While his initial posts weren't particularly scummy, his responses have been nothing but suspicious. ## Vote: zelblade The reason why I have been so apologetic is simply because it is my 1st game of mafia. I am not really sure how to approach this game, and am quite unsure of myself - that I may be making nooby mistakes. Apparently being overly apologetic is a nooby mistake, and i will try to correct that. As for using the spotlight to voice my suspisions, at that time i didnt really have any reads on any particular person in the game (remember that it was at the start of day 1 and there was hardly any discussion yet besides about random lynching) besides perhaps fakepromise, who felt scummy for jumping onto the random lynch without any clear reasoning. However, quite a few players have already called him out for it, and i didnt feel that it was neccesary to add on to it, and wanted to wait for his response towards their accusiations. At this point, fakepromise seems to be the most suspisious to me, not only for him advocating the random lynch but also for his responses to the pressure, and also how he has suddenly gone mia, without giving a proper response as to why he supported the random lynch, and his random accusation of sacredsystem eagerly wanting him to die doesnt really help. I'm kinda confused on why SacredSystem is so eager for me to die, just because I happened to be reading this forum right after zelblade posted. Also @ fakepromise i am not really sure what you mean by this part.... I really dont understand the bolded part, what did u mean by that? He certainly isnt accusing you because you happened to be reading after i posted.... as that doesnt make sense. | ||
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As for my own vote, i am still waiting for fakepromise's proper response. If it doesnt come, my vote will probably go to him. | ||
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##vote FakePromise | ||
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Catching up on the thread now, will post thoughts in a bit. Also I believe that since there was no kill last night, the person who got hit (protected by a medic/vet power) should claim that they were shot. Mafia already know who they shot anyways, and it does help to confirm you assuming no one couter claims the shot. Since town shouldnt in any case lie about this anyway, if no one counter claims the shot, we can assume that that person is very likely town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + if zarepath was mafia he would have know that fakepromise was town and it would have been very easy for him to justify killing of FP, so then why not kill him? however i am most suspicious of zelblade, he has spent the vast majority of the time apologizing for his noobiness and hasnt giving a good justification as to why he isnt mafia also what does this even mean????? I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him. also in the rest of your post you accuse 3 ppl without actually being conclusive about anything, ie oh hes mafia because i am suspicious you entire post seems as though it has been set up to mislead people and you keep attacking me for being confusing, yet my posts havnt been confusing at all you havent contributed to any investigations you jumped on the fakepromise vote and you accuse me based off of nothing so now tell me why would you not be mafia? He starts off this post by stating that he is "most suspisous" of me. Then, he goes on to quote Chocolate, before accusing him out of nowhere, simply because Chocolate called him out for his unclear posts, and called him suspisious. This seems really wierd to me to jump out like that and call someone scum because you were attacked. He also blames him for jumping onto the fakepromise vote, when he himself, as adam has pointed out, jumped on it too. Furthermore, his next post just a couple of minutes later says this : + Show Spoiler + that was all directed at chocolate and since zelblade has been suspicious of chocolate this whole time maybe he all of his apologies are just the result of him being a noob Firstly, when have i been suspisious of chocolate at all? The only person i have stated that i am suspisious off is fakepromise, simply because before i had to go he was the only one who seemed suspisious to me. This statement doesnt make sense at all and I dont even know what it means. Next, this is a clear contradiction. Just because a new targert has jumped up, he instantly forgets about his suspisions about me and states that I might just be a noob. Going from "most suspicious" to "maybe just noob" in a couple of minutes seems really wierd to me, especially with nothing in between these minutes except that he has found a new targert to attack. Looking through the rest of his filter, we see him advocating not jumping to counclusions, while he himself does it and jumps onto fakepromise for the 30% slip. Throughout the rest of his earlier posts, most of them are spent attacking fakepromise, and look at this; you are bluffing how are we going to pressure lurkers if we arnt here? So stop trying to mislead the investigation, and throw us all on. wild goose chase imterogating players who arnt here He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town. Overall, I believe that SacredSystem seems to be quite scummy at this point, and he is definately my strongest scum read, with him pushing fakepromise so hard, yet blaming people and calling them scummy for jumping onto a wagon that he is on - in fact, one that he strongly pushes for. His sudden out of the blue attack onto chocolate for "labeling me(SS) as mafia" definately throws on more suspision onto him. ##vote: SacredSystem | ||
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On January 28 2012 15:35 DoYouHas wrote: I was the one hit last night. Do you think that it would be a good idea to reveal if you were a vet or protected by a medic? | ||
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On January 28 2012 16:42 SacredSystem wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2012 15:40 zelblade wrote: I believe that SacredSystem seems scummy. + Show Spoiler + if zarepath was mafia he would have know that fakepromise was town and it would have been very easy for him to justify killing of FP, so then why not kill him? however i am most suspicious of zelblade, he has spent the vast majority of the time apologizing for his noobiness and hasnt giving a good justification as to why he isnt mafia also what does this even mean????? I think sacredsystem is mafia, or at least appears to be the most mafia right now. Definitely suspicious. The most suspicious part is that his posts are confusing- if anyone calls him out on them for a scumslip he could try to explain it away by interpreting his posts. Then again, he may just be trying to be concise with his posts, and they do generally have a good message. I'm just not sure about him. also in the rest of your post you accuse 3 ppl without actually being conclusive about anything, ie oh hes mafia because i am suspicious you entire post seems as though it has been set up to mislead people and you keep attacking me for being confusing, yet my posts havnt been confusing at all you havent contributed to any investigations you jumped on the fakepromise vote and you accuse me based off of nothing so now tell me why would you not be mafia? He starts off this post by stating that he is "most suspisous" of me. Then, he goes on to quote Chocolate, before accusing him out of nowhere, simply because Chocolate called him out for his unclear posts, and called him suspisious. This seems really wierd to me to jump out like that and call someone scum because you were attacked. He also blames him for jumping onto the fakepromise vote, when he himself, as adam has pointed out, jumped on it too. Furthermore, his next post just a couple of minutes later says this : + Show Spoiler + that was all directed at chocolate and since zelblade has been suspicious of chocolate this whole time maybe he all of his apologies are just the result of him being a noob Firstly, when have i been suspisious of chocolate at all? The only person i have stated that i am suspisious off is fakepromise, simply because before i had to go he was the only one who seemed suspisious to me. This statement doesnt make sense at all and I dont even know what it means. Next, this is a clear contradiction. Just because a new targert has jumped up, he instantly forgets about his suspisions about me and states that I might just be a noob. Going from "most suspicious" to "maybe just noob" in a couple of minutes seems really wierd to me, especially with nothing in between these minutes except that he has found a new targert to attack. Looking through the rest of his filter, we see him advocating not jumping to counclusions, while he himself does it and jumps onto fakepromise for the 30% slip. Throughout the rest of his earlier posts, most of them are spent attacking fakepromise, and look at this; He attacks zarepath for wanting to pressure the many lurkers at this point. I dont see how wanting to pressure lurkers is anti-town at all, yet SS simply jumps onto him, claiming that he is trying to mislead the investigation, being on a wild goose chase. Lurkers are bad for town, and they need to post. zarepath is trying to get them to post, yet SS seems to defend these lurkers by shooting down zarepath's post, allowing lurkers to lurk more, eventually adding more confusion for town. Overall, I believe that SacredSystem seems to be quite scummy at this point, and he is definately my strongest scum read, with him pushing fakepromise so hard, yet blaming people and calling them scummy for jumping onto a wagon that he is on - in fact, one that he strongly pushes for. His sudden out of the blue attack onto chocolate for "labeling me(SS) as mafia" definately throws on more suspision onto him. ##vote: SacredSystem zarepath never contributed any analysis and he constantly wanted to mislead the any analysis that was being discussed you seem to use the term bandwagon quite loosely i created the wagon to lynch fakepromise and why wouldnt i? this is like the 3rd post where i have asked you to explain why a townsmen wouldnt be suspicious of him, and none of you have yet to do so i never supported lurkers, i attacked the guy who avoided real analysis but speaking of bandwagon this appears to be the second one you have jumped on. first you used my logic to vote on fakepromise, and then condemn me for doing so and then you jump on me you have done nothing to prove that would be mafia, which im not yet claim that i am right after adam laid the ground work for you You claim that zarepath never contributed any analysis. But what sort of analysis have YOU provided? Looking through your filter, all your attacks are flimsy. First is of course the fakepromise incident. All the analysis that you provide here is basically that he decided to agree with the 30% lynch, and that he was definately mafia due to that and that alone. You ask why a townie wouldnt be suspicious of him, and although that one statement is really scummy, you simply concluded that he was 100% mafia without giving him a chance to respond and explain his reasons as to why he believed that it was a good idea. He could have been thinking of something we havent thought of, and the fact that you jumped on him so eagerly seems like you were looking for an easy mislynch. Next you are asked who you think is mafia. You start out the post responding to it by saying that you were suspicious of me. Thats fine, only that your reasoning was something that had already been stated many others in the thread. This seems to me that you are, once again, attacking the easy targert and trying to get another easy mislynch. However, upon reading chocolates post, you simply jump onto him and attack him, as i have stated, out of the blue simply because he thought that you were suspicious. You think that he is mafia, but you do not provide any sort of analysis at all besides that he jumped onto a wagon you created and pushed for, and for having suspicions on you. Also, your posts are confusing, and this is because of the way you phrase your posts. For example, I can barely understand your last paragraph in this post. If possible, can you clarify for me what you mean by this: + Show Spoiler + but speaking of bandwagon this appears to be the second one you have jumped on. first you used my logic to vote on fakepromise, and then condemn me for doing so and then you jump on me you have done nothing to prove that would be mafia, which im not yet claim that i am right after adam laid the ground work for you My point is that if you want me to not think that you are scum, do more than simply push people for analysis and attacking everyone that is attacking you. Post some decent analysis on who you think is scum with reasons other than OMG he attacked me he must be scum. | ||
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On January 27 2012 10:58 zarepath wrote: Also: feel free to investigate me at night, if there's a DT (which I highly suspect to be the case, considering the numbers). It will be a waste of an investigation, but with numerous lurkers not being pressured, multiple suspicious people not being followed up on, we're going to waste too much time and attention on me without a confirmation. What i think is wierd is the "feel free to investigate me at night part". Why would he want a DT to check him, when he himself even admits that "it will be a waste of an investigation"? I dont think that town would ever request a DT to check him unless there was a high chance that he was going to be lynched the next day, as doing so would use an action which could be better used on a scummy player to try and weed out scum. Finding scum is definately more important, IMO, than confirming 1 townie. As such, this causes me to agree with DoYouHas that perhaps zerpath is indeed the godfather fishing for DT checks, enabling himself to get the status of "confirmed town", whilst wasting a DT check at the same time. Also the way that SS attacks zarepath makes me feel that they probably arent on the same team. I mean, if they were both mafia, why attack each other that way at that time? I would still prefer lynching SS at this point in time, unless he starts stepping up or a better case on zarepath convinces me that he is indeed mafia. | ||
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On January 29 2012 04:50 SacredSystem wrote: i agree with doyouhas i feel like to divert attention way from himself zarepath began attacking me, using logic that doesnt lead to the conclusion that i am mafia, further more he only did so after adam made if convenient for him to do so but doyouhas how do you feel about zarepath's attacks on me? i am of the opinion that zarepath is creating a giant smokescreen just as he done on day 1 Are you confusing me with zarepath or something? I am the one that attacked you, not him. | ||
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