TL Mafia XLVIII

On December 03 2011 18:16 StimilantE wrote:
flamewheel drive up to Jan.21ish DC lan and host mafia games ^^

On December 04 2011 21:26 Radfield wrote:


I'm not sure if I agree with that list. I could easily see 1 of those 6 being scum, not two.

I would narrow it down further if you want to go that route:

Radfield
Palmar
sandroba
syllogism

1 of those 4 are scum.

However, I think that kind of thinking is at complete odds to proper play. Towns can be stacked and still implode(Caller. BC and Fishball in Closed Casket), and mafia can be stacked and still get washed out(Radfield, iGrok, Kitaman, GGQ, DocH, Cyber_Cheese in LOTR). If hosts are smart they will start true RNGing the set-up and seeing how things turn out.

On March 19 2009 22:43 Ace wrote:
*Once again steps up on podium, adjusts tie and waves arms to quiet the crowd down*

Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you - The Plan.

I came up with this while making a sandwich last night, so I'm pretty sure this is going to work.

The idea from this plan sprang from the mindset of the DTs not being able to be rallied. It also comes from the realization that medics can not protect enough vet players this game, so unfortunately some of us will die. We've got to use this little disadvantage and turn it into something positive, and I've come up with an idea.

I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a Mafia player for a second. If I wanted to kill any vet players this game, this is a list of players I'd target for Night 1 death above all else.


Camlito
Qatol
BloodyC0bbler
Ver
Caller
Bockit
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Ace
MrBabyHands
Versatile
Scaramanga
JL13


That's a list of twelve potential targets, for fun let's call them the The Zodiac Brave.

This list is important, because it gives us a place to start. I've got a feeling that somebody on this list is mafia, in fact 3 of them wouldn't be unreasonable. since these are the prime players in the game - if any of these players die during the Night it tightens the suspicion noose on the remaining ones. It also gives the medics a place to focus protections. Sure, the mafia could ignore this list and kill off other players but I'm sure they know letting any of these people live for too long is dangerous.

Now for the hard part - Detectives. I'm going to ask you to ignore these players. Literally, just don't even investigate them unless something like a major clue points to them, it's obvious something fishy is wrong with them, or you need to confirm their ID to speak with them about something critical. Focus your investigations on people not on the list.

Secondly, to the Town in general. Use this list as the start of your clue referencing. Clues are much easier to link when you already have a name in mind. Instead of looking through every profile and trying to match every little clue up - you've got this list of 12 names right here. After Night 1 goes away, the second set of clues + the first Day's clues should be enough to find something on someone listed.

Also, we have to decide who the Sheriff should lock up for the night. It has to be one of these 12. No matter what we try to do, the medics can't protect everyone and the Mafia will stack kills even with RoL dead to take out some vets. Whoever we lock up out of the vets, has to be plain green Towny. Sure they might have to role claim but we can't afford to lock up any critical blue roles on Night 1.

And last but not least - semioldguy. While lynching RoL was a good thing it says nothing about whether he is innocent or not. In fact, I think he's innocent but it doesn't matter. Do not send him any information. His innocence will be proven based on his actions during the game. Same goes for BC.

On June 20 2011 16:16 Ace wrote:
That Zodiac list was just something I devised for a game years ago. Why is that even being used as a strategy at all now? I thought we were at the point that protecting sensible players > protecting people that have experience. No need for that kind of stuff as a concrete thing to follow any more.

Setup discussions are good. That is, until you have silly townies or scum that end up outting Town power roles. As town trying to find a way to break the game is a smart thing to do.

There is no Day 1 guide though. What you do or talk about Day 1 depends on the setup, and most importantly depends on the ability of the people in the game. Even letting people randomly vote 4 hours up until deadline is going to be effective in some games (which I'll talk about in a second). Day 1 the typical town player goal is to A.) not get lynched B.) start looking at the people causing trouble and C.) keep the discussion going about who is scum and what is scummy

Players accomplish these in different ways, but it is a solid way to catch the terrible scum players and eliminate the terrible townies. As I always say, players who tend to get lynched early a lot die like that for a reason - they are bad players.

Now the problem with Day 1 besides the fact that half the town is doing ridiculous things like trying to convince Scum they are Scum - they aren't getting votes on people. Part of the problem with this is that majority of these games are using Deadline Lynch which at this point needs to just GO AWAY. Majority lynch rules should be standard from now on. When people are getting lynched with 3 votes then the Scum don't really need to worry about much, and the town is just offing everyone even though they can't agree on suspects. That's terrible. If players were forced to consolidate their opinions to get a lynch off then you'd see more interesting games.

Get rid of Deadline lynch and things will start to improve. Even if it favors Mafia a bit, that won't be a problem if the Town thinks about what they are doing before reacting too fast.

On December 05 2011 00:25 Radfield wrote:



Who said it was a throw away vote? Prplhz belongs to the class of players who have the potential to be strong players, yet are not well known enough to draw medic protection or dt investigations. I'm genuinely interested in his response and Day 1 contributions.

On December 05 2011 00:21 Radfield wrote:
but it was a way to organize blue roles like detectives and medics by directing them either into or away from the zodiac list.