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Why dream teams fail
We catch ourselves among many drooling on the idea of complete domination. Each one of us has hoped our team could pay for every great player to be on their roster. That wish was granted for many fans of the Miami heat, who in turn failed to win an NBA championship. Alongside has been the supreme roster of the Yankees that have for the past two years done nothing in the playoffs.
Take a look at movies these days, the ones that can gather the budget to put up four or five great movie stars in a casting role. Put Pam Grier, John Cleese, Randy Quaid, and Eddie Murphy into a $100 million dollar movie and you would expect an instant classic. Instead we were graced with, “The Adventures of Pluto Nash”, only banking 7.1 million worldwide.
The idea of a “dream team” has become an irresistible. Most of the population has become obsessed with theory crafting what outcomes would be like if their team had ‘X’ and ‘Y’ star put together. Putting Alex Rodriquez, Derek Jeter, and Roger Clemens on an ACE team doesn’t knock the ball out of the park, but leaves the U.S.A losing out to Canada!
Commonly, we find ourselves watching teams take the “Royal Road.” A group of cohesive unknown individuals the bond together to make amazing results happen. In 1980, we saw the most unlikely group of players under the coaching of Herb Brooks, lead the USA men’s hockey team to win the Olympic gold that year.
FORTUNE Magazine states - "Some of the worst teams I've ever seen have been those where everybody was a potential CEO," says David Nadler, chief of the Mercer Delta consulting firm, who has worked with executive teams at top global companies for more than 30 years. "If there's a zero-sum game called succession going on, it's very difficult to have an effective team."
So how does a group of stars become such a strong team? There has to be a line of succession. The groups of individuals have to be willing to bond under the leadership of another. However, during the development of leadership there is one fundamental element above all that is important to the success of a winning team, and that is “TRUST.” Attend any seminar on team building and this is the first lesson that will be taught. If people believe a teammate is not putting in equal effort, withholding information, or incompetent then nothing can be accomplished. There is a term describe this effect called “Dysergy”. Its definition states that putting one and one together will only equal two, with luck. Putting together a dream team starts the players off at a disadvantage. They can only trust the people they are close to. Sure it may cause a blood thirst to compete better than everyone else in the room, but that helps only the individual to make strides and succeed on their own.
“It’s too hard to build trust more extensively at the top level, where everyone is supposedly a star,” states Berkshire Hathaway.
Tolerating Competing Agendas- You’re dream team has now been formed and everyone has their areas of weakness or their own set of goals. As an individual, a star has the opportunity to improve on his own aspect to become a better player. The star also can use their strengths to accomplish goals and gain merits while leaving the rest of the team in the dust. Alex Rodriguez may ask Roger Clemens for help needing practice against right handed pitchers, while Clemens only wants to practice against Left handed batters all week. Sure A-Rod can find some back up pitcher or machine to hit against, but that leaves A-Rod without trust the Clemens will help him and also loses the opportunity to hit against one of the best pitchers in the league.
Behind the scenes for an all-star team can look very ugly. Conflicts among players can grow quickly and that will effect practice and team performance. I really liked this example of overcoming a situation in which coaching your team correctly allowed a great resolution to a team conflict.
CNN – “Col. Stas Preczewski, coach of the Army crew at West Point a few years ago, faced a baffling problem. Through extensive testing, he had developed objective criteria to rank his rowers. He then put the eight best - his dream team - in the varsity boat and the eight others in the junior varsity boat.
The problem: The JV beat the varsity two-thirds of the time. The situation, as explained in a Harvard Business School case, was that the varsity was full of resentment over who was contributing most, while the JV, feeling they had nothing to lose, supported one another happily.
One day Preczewski lined up the varsity crew in four pairs. He told them they were to wrestle - no punching - for 90 seconds. There were no clear winners: Each man was discovering that his opponent was just as strong and determined as he was. Preczewski then had them change opponents and wrestle again. By the third round they were choosing their own opponents - "One guy would point at another and say, 'You!'" Preczewski says. Finally, one of the rowers started laughing, and they all piled into a general brawl. Eventually someone said, "Coach, can we go row now?" From then on, the varsity boat flew.”
This story is a refreshing look at how to address the real issues in your team. Sometimes you have to roll your sleeves up and wrestle it out.
So what is this all about? The Kespa “Dream” Team.
Already we envision this team to be a dominating force in Proleague. Oz already provides one of the greatest ACE’s of all time Jaedong to the field and the newer, up and coming zerg Killer. Combine this with Sea from MBCGame and Baby from WeMadeFox, the future looks unbeatable. The Dream Team is the Philadelphia Eagles right now, but they still have the advantage of proving to all us that they are a legit team. But how can we determine that this team will do any good? Have you taken a look at the team soccer picture with Kespa 8 players sleeping on one another in the SUV? Doesn’t it seem like they have already fallen in love with each other.
The Kespa 8 team is in a situation all other Dream Teams in our history have never had. The proleague season is volatile and they must get sponsors to remain together. Each one of them was without a job or a team for over two months! No doubt, they have each other lighting a fire under their butts in order to practice day and night.
Another advantage Kespa 8 has given themselves is great leadership. Starting with coach Hoon, this man really knows how to win. Not just win, but rally and inspire players to be great. It’s clear he started in the right direction by establishing a team captain. Appointing Jaehoon let’s all the players know that they have at least one player they can question when in need. The second thing Hoon did was conduct an in-house tournament among the players. This allowed the players to earn the respect of those they have beaten and appreciate those who are better than them. There isn’t a clearer sign of ranking then a good old fashioned Brood War brawl.
How will this end? Plenty of history tells us Dream Teams are in fact, dreams. But I believe that with Kespa 8 there is a balance of cuteness, determination, and bond that will grow deeper for the players and the fans as we shed tears watching the new proleague play out. Good luck Kespa 8, prove history wrong!
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I, for one, like to dream.
Team 8 fighting!
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You should send this to the Philadelphia Eagles.
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I think BW progamers lack the divisive egos that can ruin other dream teams. Their self-sacrificing mentality for the benefit of the group is deeply ingrained in Korean culture.
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On November 16 2011 07:13 rift wrote:
I think BW progamers lack the divisive egos that can ruin other dream teams.
Yeah, collectivist cultures like Korean culture are different from individualist ones like US.
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I don't think most of the examples are really relevant, since BW is essentially a series of 1v1 games, and the skills of each player are that much more additive to the strength of the overall team.
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I thought CJ was the dream team.
Effort + Hydra
Horang2 + Movie
Leta
I don't see how any team's top 5 can compete, not to mention Snow as a solid 6th. Though JD, Killer, Sea, Baby, and Jaehoon is pretty close.
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Yes your right, Dream Team 8 will fail like the US Basketballteam at Olympic Games '92 with Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bird, Pippen and Movies like Oceans Eleven with George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Andy Garcia or like Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi.
You see, it can go well, even with many stars. It might happen or not. And i dont think Team 8 will win every game. If you look at their winningspercentages, they will win around 60% of their games 
I for myself hope Team 8 is dominating along with SKT, rivalry for more hype and thrilling league, and Jaedong will dominate every opponent and become the best player of all time (which he already is :p)
But at the end: JUST START THE DAMN PL SEASON!!!!11
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Champion Team > Team of Champions
That being said, GO TEAM 8! :D
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Thanks for the good read and hype! I can't wait later this week for PL Dream Team or not, I'm just happy professional BW will be back in my daily schedule
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On November 16 2011 07:26 greenelve wrote:Yes your right, Dream Team 8 will fail like the US Basketballteam at Olympic Games '92 with Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bird, Pippen and Movies like Oceans Eleven with George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Andy Garcia or like Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. You see, it can go well, even with many stars. It might happen or not. And i dont think Team 8 will win every game. If you look at their winningspercentages, they will win around 60% of their games I for myself hope Team 8 is dominating along with SKT, rivalry for more hype and thrilling league, and Jaedong will dominate every opponent and become the best player of all time (which he already is :p) But at the end: JUST START THE DAMN PL SEASON!!!!11
How could a movie starring Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Julia Roberts, directed by Steven Soderbergh, get tepid reviews and gross less worldwide than the star-free My Big Fat Greek Wedding? That movie was Ocean's Twelve.
Like you said, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. My whole post wasn't about proving to you that every team fails, but why did they fail.
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On November 16 2011 07:24 Crisium wrote:
I thought CJ was the dream team.
Effort+ Hydra
Horang2 + Movie
Leta
I don't see how any team's top 5 can compete, not to mention Snow as a solid 6th. Though JD, Killer, Sea, Baby, and Jaehoon is pretty close.
What?? Hydra, Horang2, Movie? Pssshh ... lol
On November 16 2011 07:32 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:26 greenelve wrote:Yes your right, Dream Team 8 will fail like the US Basketballteam at Olympic Games '92 with Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bird, Pippen and Movies like Oceans Eleven with George Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, Andy Garcia or like Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. You see, it can go well, even with many stars. It might happen or not. And i dont think Team 8 will win every game. If you look at their winningspercentages, they will win around 60% of their games I for myself hope Team 8 is dominating along with SKT, rivalry for more hype and thrilling league, and Jaedong will dominate every opponent and become the best player of all time (which he already is :p) But at the end: JUST START THE DAMN PL SEASON!!!!11 How could a movie starring Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Julia Roberts, directed by Steven Soderbergh, get tepid reviews and gross less worldwide than the star-free My Big Fat Greek Wedding? That movie was Ocean's Twelve. Like you said, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. My whole post wasn't about proving to you that every team fails, but why did they fail.
I think Oceans 12 sucked because Oceans 11 sucked too?
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You don't understand. This isn't any ordinary Dream Team. This is THE DREAM TEAM.
What I mean by that is, every player had their former team shut down, and they want to continue playing BW. Some took pay cuts just so they could keep enjoying the game. They're not thinking about anything else, they just want to play. They aren't even afraid of losing. And when when you're not afraid to lose, that's when you can play your best.
Ultimately, this isn't just about the Dream Team. The success of Broodwar in the coming years partly depends on this very Dream Team.
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You can't compare with those other dream teams because they all require teamwork and cooperation. Obviously BW teams require some cooperation but nowhere near as much as basketball or a business team.
For example, if tennis had teams that competed in a series of 1v1 matches, and you put the top 5 players in the world on a team, I could pretty much guarantee that that team would own all the other teams.
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On November 16 2011 07:56 Enervate wrote:
You can't compare with those other dream teams because they all require teamwork and cooperation. Obviously BW teams require some cooperation but nowhere near as much as basketball or a business team.
For example, if tennis had teams that competed in a series of 1v1 matches, and you put the top 5 players in the world on a team, I could pretty much guarantee that that team would own all the other teams.
The history of the Ryder Cup proves otherwise. The US usually has the higher ranking golfers but the results don't bear that out. While the US team routinely has the advantage in the 1v1 matches, the results are still pretty bad considering their talent level.
The Eagles are 3-6 because they share the same problem that the Heat did during the Finals, consistent 4th quarter collapses. The weight of expectations can get to even some of the best players sometimes.
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I wanted to disagree with the first part using the exact same points you showed in the second part ^_^
Yeah, I agree about the danger of dream teams in general, but again, I agree Team 8 is most probably saved from them.
Now let us see how fast they recover and progress
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Jaedong, Sea, Baby and Killer make a dream team? I wouldn't even say it's the best team skillwise right now.
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On November 16 2011 07:33 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:24 Crisium wrote:
I thought CJ was the dream team.
Effort+ Hydra
Horang2 + Movie
Leta
I don't see how any team's top 5 can compete, not to mention Snow as a solid 6th. Though JD, Killer, Sea, Baby, and Jaehoon is pretty close. What?? Hydra, Horang2, Movie? Pssshh ... lol
Records from 10-11 SPL (not including SWL)
Hydra: 26-12
Horang2: 21-11
Movie: 18-10
Combined: 65-33 (66.3% win rate)
Records from SWL
Hydra: 6-5
Horang2: 6-5
Movie: 13-8
Combined: 25-18 (58.1% win rate)
You were saying?
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Don't forget Jaehoon. He was a top dog toss last year.
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someone made a point about Eastern cultures being more about the group than the individual than in Western cultures; think it would be a very interesting observation to study and see if the stereotype holds up to scrutiny.
You know, I don't think this is a bad observation at all. The pressure of a new team plus trying to get a sponsor will have to have some effect on the team, regardless of culture. Plus changing living arrangements and moving in with people you may not know very well could also create some friction that we may not see in the matches themselves.
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