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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
August 20 2011 15:21 GMT
#45
/in ftw
wherebugsgo
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Japan10647 Posts
January 04 2012 03:58 GMT
#89
/in
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-06 15:23:42
January 06 2012 15:23 GMT
#179
Oh fuck I accidentally voted yes for the PMs.

I would very much like a NON PM game. So I'll out if it is PM. Doubt anyone cares though, just will free up a slot for someone else.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 06 2012 23:57 GMT
#192
no PMs=sexy time
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 10 2012 06:07 GMT
#265
you guys are weird
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 12 2012 13:37 GMT
#378
town players for like the last 3 months have been playing really badly.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2012 10:11 GMT
#516
wtf all you tryhards already have massive mayoral candidacies going?

-_-

I'll support sandro/Foolish/BC for mayor if I feel any of them are town. That'll take some reading. Which I don't feel like doing right now. Right now, I feel like playing Akali.

The rest of you: if you are voting anyone other than those three, please explain why.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2012 10:18 GMT
#518
On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day.


lynch Palmar for this please
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 13 2012 11:07 GMT
#538
On January 13 2012 19:46 Erandorr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 19:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 13 2012 18:34 Palmar wrote:
I have no intentions of running for mayor or caring much about the mayor elections. I'm probably going to be voting VisceraEyes, depending on how dumb he will be through the day.


lynch Palmar for this please


lynch WBG for this please.


alright, need to sleep after this.

However, minimal reasoning follows:

in every game I've ever played with Palmar that has a mayoral election, he has cared greatly about it. He has run for office. He has run strongly. The exception is PYP:I, where he was just smurfing (so that's understandable) but he still cared who got elected.

In this game, he's doing his standard scum shit. I.E. being bad. Kill him.

Also Erandorr if you continue to be worthless I'd probably consider killing you too.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:11 GMT
#816
BC, Mason me please.

I repeat, BloodyC0bbler, mason me please.

Thank you.

Also, I want to kill Palmar, so any mayoral candidate who supports lynching him will get my vote.

Since I haven't seen anyone explicitly say that yet, if you want Palmar to die just vote me and I'll lynch him if I become mayor.


Still in the process of reading, on page 35 now.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:24 GMT
#820
On January 14 2012 05:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 04:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On January 14 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC: Well, obviously you're no GF this game, because you claimed a confirmable role. Unless I'm mistaken, scum can't be mason AND GF, yes? DT checks will be accurate on you...so there's that. Confirming your alignment, in my opinion, should be paramount because I find it EXTREMELY likely that you would have elected to be mason on the scum team (for reasons that should be obvious to you and several others.)

What's your plan on confirming your role? Are you going to out who you've masoned with? Are you going to let them do it at their own pace?



I will out my first mason shortly, I want the debate to however move towards how to deal with masons as a whole. I say this because you know from experience with me just how subtle a touch can be needed to manipulate/confuse someone. A mafia mason will have the experience of a team in manipulation whereas a town member has their own ability to run with.

On January 14 2012 04:01 Toadesstern wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2012 03:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
The Day 1 Important Discussion Post #1

Read this post fully before posting. It is something that everyone must read, and that everyone must comment on

That is right friends, this post as I am writing it is near one of the most important posts of this game day. You are going to ask? Why BC? Simple. I am about to do something that will cause people to yell and scream at me. I am roleclaiming.

I am mason

Note what I have done?
[1]
I have now put myself from the statistical chance of flipping a town aligned role of 80%ish and lowered it to a solid 50%.

I am now either 50% red or 50% blue.[/1.]


I am doing this for a few reasons.

[2]
1) in this game there could exist masons on both sides of the equation. As such dealing with them early is key as they work behind the scenes of the game. [/2]

[3]
2) it is a confirmable role, stress this point, ROLE. I can confirm my role at the beginning of a day cycle as opposed to at the end of a day cycle [/3]

3) I am being transparent. By giving this information now, reading me becomes far easier. There will never be the "is he blue trying to breadcrumb etc..?"

[4]
4) goes along with 3, however it outs one of the masons now. It stops the discussion later of people discussing all the people who are masons and who is believable late game whereas we can cover at least one of them now [/4]

This also sets the town up in a very advantageous way. Why you ask?

I am elected and now town knowingly knows I am active in pms.
I am not elected and not auto lynched by mayor and same information is known.

[5]
It also forces the mafia to deal with me as they have no idea what I am doing in pm land. Do they try and kill who I am talking to? Do they use their own masons and attempt to find out what I have said, etc....[/5]


This I feel is the most advantageous day 1 use of my ability. I have already used my mason use for the day and will say who I used it on after this post in the nearish future. I am leaving who it is out as the purpose is to generate discussion on my claim, not on who I chose to mason to. As to detail of why I did this aside from the general points I made? Everyone will have an opinion on this claim. Some good, some bad. People will have to have an opinion on this subject however. EVERYONE will have an opinion. Do not just post "wtf bc you dumb fuck why would you do this". This is a debate about me specifically being a mason and if I should be elected, not elected and lynched, or not elected and left for the mafia to deal with me.

All vets, all new players, all semi experienced players will have an opinion and it is needed. Anyone who fails to properly contribute on this matter. I have thought this claim out and realize that generally claiming day 1 is bad, however I feel at least with this mechanic and how it could be abused it should be discussed (especially with a high profile player such as myself possessing it) now and not later.

On the most important note that this post will do however is generate serious discussion. How do you all wish to proceed with a mason claim? Specifically my mason claim?

1) That's obviously bullshit. The chances to win lottery aren't 50% because you either win or you don't... but I see what you want to tell us

2) why?

3) no it's not. You're masoning someone. That someone is going to tell us if you masoned him. If you are a mafia you could tell us you masoned a mafiabuddy and of course your buddy will tell everyone you pm'ed him.

4) I don't realy care about what's going to happen with discussion later on if whatever might happen. I want to get a town mayor right now and for that reason I'd much rather see things tell give me something on your alignment than something that might or might not improve future-world

5) I'm pretty sure mafia will have to deal with you no matter what. That is if you're town. It's not like mafia is going not kill you because they think you might be a green instead of a blue and therefor you're no threat to them.


Incorrect for you good sir.

my role unlike anyone elses is confirmable. However my role is able to appear on both town and mafia sides thus rather than claiming "i am townie" and having the 80ish% chance of being one of the townie i am now firmly 50/50. My role is confirmable, my alignment isn't. You can clearly say "you were either 1 or the other before" however I have removed fake claiming almost entirely. Mafia do not benefit from me fake claiming this, nor do town.

as for how I can confirm my role at the start? I mason at the beginning of a cycle not the end.

As for saying its not confirmable? If i am a generic red and claim mason my mafia buddy says i masoned him. I die flip mafia goon he fucking dies. The only people who in their right mind would claim mason, are mason. As for also saying im not transparent? You know my role, I am even trying to discuss the role itself.

If you do not care about the possible damages of a mafia mason late game and only care about the now then you are not playing in the best interests of this town. You must always look ahead. If there are roles that could potentially fuck town two days from now that wouldn't have if we talked about them today then we talk about it today. Period.

as for mafia dealing with me? Say for arguments sake, there are 4 masons and 1 is red. I don't get elected and am not lynched by mayor. Mafia now has the option of killing me and thus reducing the number of people they can hide amongst and masons are confirmable. By claiming, town will always be analyzing me and determining if i am red or blue and choose to off me based on it.

Mafia have the risk of killing me early and thus potentially outing one of their own early on or leaving me alone and hope the town ignores me. The longer I live the more benefit i am to the town and if i die by mafia shot I out one of their own slightly faster.



Now. How do people wish to deal with masons as a whole? Do all discussions made get posted in thread? Do we opt to not talk to people who mason you, etc...

This is an important matter, move just passed my personal claim and look at the role as a whole. Here is a link to a thread where masons were discussed before to get an idea why I think its important to discuss.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278946

the situation proposed there is obviously different from this game but the important none the less.

The Mason this game is more just about whispering it looks like. It really isn't that strong in the game. They can't create circles or nothing. They can disseminate roles privately I suppose but the threat is always there that the mason is mafia. As you yourself might be BC. I don't really see too much power in the role as of the moment. Especially if you play the game as such as to ignore pms.


You're a vet, right?

I want to kill you for this too, cause you're not acting like a vet by saying masons are not powerful.

They are by far the most powerful types of roles in both the hands of scum and town.


On January 14 2012 06:02 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm still wondering the proper benefits to the mass mason claim. I'm neutral as again, the role seems rather bland for the town this game. Being a mason doesn't confirm you. I'd like to know the general town consensus.

So far I see Sandroba screaming for mass mason claim. Which I suppose all of the whisperers being public knowledge would be a good thing. But I don't wanna feel like sheep. I suppose theres no way around it though, or that its really important. I'm Mason #2. And I mason'd BC. But he won't talk to me. *cries*


You smell weird, scum.

Everyone take a moment to read this post and see how damn neutral it is. There is no actual content and the language is meek.

and this one :

On January 14 2012 06:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Sheth....For real? That is your reason for voting for someones who already stated that their activity will be waning? Would all it take to get you to change to BC or Sandroba be a declaration of lynching Ciry or is it just because he has already chosen his lynch target?

Bill, I don't really think Sandroba is scum because he called for a mason mass claim. So did BC in a round-a-bout way. I personally don't view the role with much power, so I don't know. I've been trying all day to think of a way to make it useful, but seriously, just ignoring pms this game seems the most highly logical play I could think of. I mean, I'm still gonna try and pm you. <3 Ya Buddddddddy. Welcome back.



loooooooooool

My final message for now:

If you want to be useful, stop discussing shit like whether masons are town favored or scum favored. Agree that they're powerful and stop wasting valuable discussion and scumhunting time.

Instead, use it to actually find scum. If you can't do this, please show yourself so I can push for your lynch.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:30 GMT
#824
On January 14 2012 10:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, BC when are you claiming who you masoned with? I'd like confirmation about your role.

Right now, I'm leaning town on you. I've seen you manipulate townies before in PM as scum, and in light of that, your mason claim makes it seem like you're more likely to be town. I don't see a benefit for a scum BC to claim mason, when it puts a lot of pressure and suspicion on himself, when instead he can just win the election and use his secret mason role to manipulate townies. Instead, you're going to be forced to pretty much claim your target every day, and anyone you talk to is instantly going to be more on guard after all the discussion today.


let's get this straight right now, so we don't have to deal with this later:

BC's mason claim is NOT reflective of his alignment in any way, shape, or form.

If he's scum, people saying "oh yeah his mason claim makes him more likely to be town" and then voting him are exactly what he wants! Good scum take calculated risks like this, and this very well could be a calculated move to get the mayoral position.

Since the mason claim is not indicative of alignment, please do not suggest that it is, because such a suggestion is not even close to conclusive or useful.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:38 GMT
#829
On January 14 2012 10:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 10:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 14 2012 10:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, BC when are you claiming who you masoned with? I'd like confirmation about your role.

Right now, I'm leaning town on you. I've seen you manipulate townies before in PM as scum, and in light of that, your mason claim makes it seem like you're more likely to be town. I don't see a benefit for a scum BC to claim mason, when it puts a lot of pressure and suspicion on himself, when instead he can just win the election and use his secret mason role to manipulate townies. Instead, you're going to be forced to pretty much claim your target every day, and anyone you talk to is instantly going to be more on guard after all the discussion today.


let's get this straight right now, so we don't have to deal with this later:

BC's mason claim is NOT reflective of his alignment in any way, shape, or form.

If he's scum, people saying "oh yeah his mason claim makes him more likely to be town" and then voting him are exactly what he wants! Good scum take calculated risks like this, and this very well could be a calculated move to get the mayoral position.

Since the mason claim is not indicative of alignment, please do not suggest that it is, because such a suggestion is not even close to conclusive or useful.


yeah that's what i keep saying. Or at least I tried to. I see his claim as reasonable in some situations and it's it could be good for both, townie and mafia BC. I'm pretending that mason never happened at this point in time,

I'd also like to leave palmar for d2 to see what changes. It's not like he's going to run away and if he's still behaving like that, fine lynch if. For the time being we got some better candidates to look at imo.


no, screw leaving people till day 2. If he's useless now he'll be useless day 2. Kill him.

I couldn't care less about veterans and usefulness later on or all of that bs. If you're a vet and I think you're scum day 1 I want you to die day 1. Palmar fits this perfectly. Just look at his filter if you don't believe me; he's had a full day (and by EU time it was an actual day, I've only had about 6 hours worth if you compare) and all of his posts have been one liner marginal content bull.

He also refuses to respond to any sort of pressure and has been completely incapable of any sort of scumhunting. He's scum. Just kill him.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:40 GMT
#831
On January 14 2012 10:38 Foolishness wrote:
Mattchew For Mayor!


You heard it from me first!

No I am not giving up on my campaign for the one and only BILL MURRAY. Rather it has come to my attention that my other client, the esteemed Mattchew the Mason has decided to run for mayor as well! How do I know my client is a mason? Duh! I have only been talking to him all day long! And he will come in shortly to confirm that!

Of course he has chosen to done this because he thinks it is best for him to claim mason. I am not sure how I personally feel about the other mason's claiming but I can tell you this: Mattchew is most certainly a town mason and not a mafia one, and the both of us think he will be perfect in office. You should obviously be taking this with a grain of salt, but if I thought Mattchew was actually a mafia mason I'd be saying so right now in a very "haha sucker!" sort of manor. Since I'm not you can be sure that I have done my analysis and confirmed that he is innocent (and I encourage everyone to do the same based on his thread posts). That said Mattchew has my full support in getting into office.

Let's face it, none of us what to get screwed over in the event that BC is mafia. The thought of BC laughing hysterically after the game is over at playing us all for fools is not something that sits right in my stomach (not that I think he's actually mafia, but better safe than sorry right?) Thus let's take a more simpler approach and vote a mason who we know will be giving his all and not screwing us behind the scenes!

Mattchew For Mayor!


stop trolling and answer me this:

do you think Palmar is mafia?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:47 GMT
#837
no, he's literally this bad as mafia. If he's this useless, he's auto scum.

If he's town he'll actually put in effort. This is not WIFOM because if he were town he would not want to confuse us. He would be clear about establishing himself as a townie and the "WIFOM" you speak of wouldn't exist.

Honestly there is no WIFOM, the only possibility for Palmar at this point is scum.

Since you keep saying let's keep him till day 2, I assume you have a better candidate for us to lynch? Why don't you give us that candidate? If not, then let's lynch Palmar, not? Why wait a day and waste a lynch that will potentially hit a townie instead of just killing the almost certain scum in Palmar?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:47 GMT
#838
that was @ Toad my bad.

wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 01:53 GMT
#844
On January 14 2012 10:51 Mattchew wrote:
Would anyone like to discuss my mayoral candidacy? I think I make the best case to get a townie in office


no.

start discussing something useful, like who to lynch.

all of your lynch candidates suck.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 02:02 GMT
#849
On January 14 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote:
So why would you not vote for me wbg? Wouldn't you rather have a confirmed townie in office than someone you would be taking a leap of faith on?

The 3 I listed are all acting scummy, not trollish or over the top scummy, just scummy. Palmar is trolling and over the top, he would be a great day2 lynch if these actions continue, but it is too up in the air right now as to whether or not he is trolling or scum. He could be one of our biggest strengths in the future, I'd rather kill someone else now.


just by the fact that you consider yourself confirmed town I don't want to vote you.

I don't understand why everyone says "Palmar would make a great day 2 lynch." If he would make a great day 2 lynch he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Let's stop screwing around and get to business, yeah? The pussyfooting we've been doing so far has been detrimental to town discussion and multiple people have already stated that they've been sidetracked by the stupid mason discussion.

All of the alternatives posed to Palmar right now are noobs or people who are otherwise not easy to read. Palmar is super easy to read; if he's playing like shit, afraid, and dodging questions or scumhunting, he's scum. If he's aggressive and tunnels people, he's town (now watch him come in and randomly tunnel someone for a while since I said this)
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 02:46 GMT
#869
On January 14 2012 11:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wiggles go vote for me right now and don't move your vote DUDE

I'll be the bestest Mayor Liquidia has EVER SEEN.


shut up about being mayor and start doing something useful.

This is why I hate mayoral elections; they bring day 1 to shit by muddying everything up and allowing scum to just prance around happily doing whatever the hell they want.

Stop giving the mafia fields of flowers to frisk around in. Start scumhunting.

Give me your opinion on Palmar to begin with.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 14 2012 02:51 GMT
#873
I'm willing to vote bum for the fact that I like him right now. I think he's

Bum are you willing to lynch Palmar?

I'd be willing to lynch BC too if I continue feeling the way I'm feeling about him. But we'll see. Need more time on that, since BC is much harder to read than Palmar. Palmar's just like lolscum
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