• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:11
CEST 09:11
KST 16:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall11HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles7[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China10Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL76
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Server Blocker RSL Season 1 - Final Week
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
2025 ACS Season 2 Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Last Minute Live-Report Thread Resource!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Accidental Video Game Porn Archive Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 660 users

[G] Pride 3 marine bunker rush TvP

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:24:35
May 25 2011 18:06 GMT
#1
Allins are getting quite popular, so I decided to share a little bitbybitpride strat I like to do when I'm sick of playing Protoss.

This build is similar to the 3 raxallin 4:00 [ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223517 ], the only difference is I emphasize more into scvs than marines

edit: Before you attack my credibility and calling me a pewbie bronze noob. I'm currently rank 1 in Master NA and my MMR is equivalent to mid-high grandmaster.

edit2: I'm grandmaster finally.

Intro:

+ Show Spoiler +
Getting sick of protoss cheese?? VRS? Proxy gate? DTs? 4 gate? This build is designed to stop all protoss cheeses before it even happens

Build Order:

+ Show Spoiler +
10 supply
12 rax
13 rax * should be around a 3-5 sec delay on your scv production*
15 orbital
16 supply

If everything is done correctly, your 2nd and 3rd marine should pop roughly around the same time


Layout:

+ Show Spoiler +
-Avoid getting surrounded by probes
-Grab the least surface area as you can *remember* scvs are your meat shield
-Avoid being in location where they can mineral walk through and bape your marines


Keypoints:

+ Show Spoiler +
The whole idea is to send all your scvs as soon as you hit 3 marines while rallying more marines to the enemy base. While microing with your scvs/marines, build a bunker behind the mineral line.

Be proactive toward scout denying

Be proactive about building the bunker behind the mineral line

If your opponent scouts you last, that is always a surplus * so remember to micro your marine to obliterate the little annoying probe before it gets to far into your base*

Its alway nice to hide your 2nd barrack so it looks like a 1 rax expo

As soon as your 2nd rax is being built that is when you should scout

If your opponent opens with 1 zealot 1 sentries, its pretty much over because DPS on sentries is horrid.

If your opponent opens with stalker and follow by another stalker, pull a few scvs to target that one stalker to try to get a surround while your baby marines finish the deal.

If you scout a forge opening, follow 2rax expo, you will get slaughtered if you allin


Protoss opener:

+ Show Spoiler +

1 gate forge: Neglect any thoughts of allins and follow it up by 2rax expo
2 gate pressure: Attack ASAP, once that 2nd stalker comes out, its practically over unless they get surrounded by scvs or bunker is completed. *probably by far the hardest to pull off*
1 gate proxy: destroy the plyon, follow by allin
2 gate proxy: destroy the plyon, follow by allin


Replays:

High master - High grandmaster
+ Show Spoiler +

AtmosphereCF
Autumn
Autumn 1
BTS
desrow
desrow 1
CombatEX
HalibaerDC
fxoptikzero
ONEwbc
Origin
LGShew
LalaLa
lowwboree
vtperfect
vtperfect 1
spskookiez
stereotada
Taurent


-Pride

ps: lets hear some destructive criticism, remember to be impartial even if you're protoss =]
Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
May 25 2011 18:08 GMT
#2
This "guide" is sooooooooooooo empty of content ~_~

At least it has replays though. It's a step in the right direction....
Sky Terran TvP V2.0: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355839
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:12:45
May 25 2011 18:10 GMT
#3
iirc there was a thread about this a week or two ago about someone doing something similar to this in every matchup and getting to GM O_o and he didnt even play terran/wasnt even masters level playing 'standard'

edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223517
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 25 2011 18:11 GMT
#4
so this is baisicly a 2 rax.....why dont you just say so ??
I'd say the only good thing here is there are replays
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
May 25 2011 18:13 GMT
#5
oh look a cheese by pride...

looks kinda similar to 2 rax all in? Don't see why it needs a guide... at least add more content?
133 221 333 123 111
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
May 25 2011 18:13 GMT
#6
This is just a 2rax bunker rush.... only vP instead of vZ.
GrassEater
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden417 Posts
May 25 2011 18:23 GMT
#7
How does this do vs a standard protoss build if he gets a zealot after core and instantly a stalker?
How does it do vs a protoss opening if he instead gets a gate for more stalkers when he scouts your 2 rax?
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:28:15
May 25 2011 18:26 GMT
#8
On May 26 2011 03:23 GrassEater wrote:
How does this do vs a standard protoss build if he gets a zealot after core and instantly a stalker?
How does it do vs a protoss opening if he instead gets a gate for more stalkers when he scouts your 2 rax?


zealot, stalker is typical

straight stalker is where it gets tricky, pull a few scvs to target the stalker to try to get a surround, making the stalker move further back from the battle.

zealot, sentry will get slaughtered. Sentry dps is horrid.

pure zealot is slaughtered because with good surface area, you will win the fight

Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
LicH.
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
China235 Posts
May 25 2011 18:36 GMT
#9
It's almost a freewin close positions ^_^
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
May 25 2011 18:36 GMT
#10
Lol, I love how you spoiler 3 lines of text ^^
But interesting strat, we don't often have GM level replays so it's always nice
GJ on cheesing CombatEX !
geiko.813 (EU)
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
May 25 2011 18:37 GMT
#11
On May 26 2011 03:36 Geiko wrote:
Lol, I love how you spoiler 3 lines of text ^^
But interesting strat, we don't often have GM level replays so it's always nice
GJ on cheesing CombatEX !


spoiler tags make it look legit :"D, I edit a lot more guys :D
Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
May 25 2011 18:39 GMT
#12
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:44:43
May 25 2011 18:43 GMT
#13
On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


that why i emphasize you should hide your 2nd rax. With the timing the allin should hit the base before the 2nd stalker comes out.

There is about a 10-12 sec open window from here to kill you before you get your 2nd and 3rd stalker. Unless you got some gosu micro, its also difficult on both sides.
Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 18:52:51
May 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#14
On May 26 2011 03:43 PrideTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


that why i emphasize you should hide your 2nd rax. With the timing the allin should hit the base before the 2nd stalker comes out.

There is about a 10-12 sec open window from here to kill you before you get your 2nd and 3rd stalker. Unless you got some gosu micro, its also difficult on both sides.

Yeah, hiding the rax would cause problems, but as for the stalkers, both come out at the same time at 4:02... It's a 2gate fast stalker build
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
May 25 2011 18:56 GMT
#15
On May 26 2011 03:52 tehemperorer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 03:43 PrideTV wrote:
On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


that why i emphasize you should hide your 2nd rax. With the timing the allin should hit the base before the 2nd stalker comes out.

There is about a 10-12 sec open window from here to kill you before you get your 2nd and 3rd stalker. Unless you got some gosu micro, its also difficult on both sides.

Yeah, hiding the rax would cause problems, but as for the stalkers, both come out at the same time at 4:02... It's a 2gate fast stalker build


the push itself hits around the 4 min mark.
Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
May 25 2011 19:07 GMT
#16
Getting sick of protoss cheese?? VRS? Proxy gate? DTs? 4 gate? This build is designed to stop all protoss cheeses before it even happens


So your counter to cheese is cheese harder yourself. Eye for an eye makes the world go blind.
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-25 19:24:11
May 25 2011 19:21 GMT
#17
I'm so happy none of those replays are against me, Pride. ^_^

SCV all-ins like this can be pretty annoying if you're trying to nexus first!

On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


On four-player maps with close positions (read: ladder), don't gateway scout unless your build is safe against this sort of cheese. It's best to pylon scout if your build is risky, that way you can make adjustments to defend any kind of attack such as this.
Fireblast!: "This guy is pointless and wonderful"
PrideTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Vietnam434 Posts
May 25 2011 19:30 GMT
#18
On May 26 2011 04:21 State wrote:
I'm so happy none of those replays are against me, Pride. ^_^

SCV all-ins like this can be pretty annoying if you're trying to nexus first!

Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


On four-player maps with close positions (read: ladder), don't gateway scout unless your build is safe against this sort of cheese. It's best to pylon scout if your build is risky, that way you can make adjustments to defend any kind of attack such as this.


im trying to find your replay state . i have so many tvp i don't which one is 3 marine bunker rush
Bitbybitpride <3 twitch.tv/pridetv1 gm top 100 S2,S3 <3
StateSC2
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)621 Posts
May 25 2011 19:37 GMT
#19
On May 26 2011 04:30 PrideTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 04:21 State wrote:
I'm so happy none of those replays are against me, Pride. ^_^

SCV all-ins like this can be pretty annoying if you're trying to nexus first!

On May 26 2011 03:39 tehemperorer wrote:
Counter as Protoss:
Standard 9 pylon 12 gate 14 gas, if you 9 scout you will see the 2nd rax going down at his 13... Change your build order to this:
15 gate
15 core
16 pylon
bank minerals/gas
when core and 2nd gate finish at the same time, cb out 2 stalkers and continue probe production, rally stalkers to opponents base... If stalkers get there before or right after they push out, you can micro them to death and take the win right there

If you scout the Terran last, it might be too late but adjust accordingly; you want stalkers


On four-player maps with close positions (read: ladder), don't gateway scout unless your build is safe against this sort of cheese. It's best to pylon scout if your build is risky, that way you can make adjustments to defend any kind of attack such as this.


im trying to find your replay state . i have so many tvp i don't which one is 3 marine bunker rush


NO!! Don't find the replay! I'll never love you again.
Fireblast!: "This guy is pointless and wonderful"
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
May 25 2011 19:41 GMT
#20
sooo....a "guide" for 2 rax -> pull scvs allin? lol. I don't think a guide is necessary for something like that -_-

But if you're gonna do this, why don't you just go 11/11 rax or 11/12. You'll have prob 1-3 scvs less than normal, but you'll have more marines sooner.
Sup
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 289
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 2399
Sea 1526
Leta 467
Larva 374
Shinee 34
Noble 20
Sacsri 16
Dota 2
ODPixel381
NeuroSwarm113
League of Legends
JimRising 730
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1664
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor252
Other Games
summit1g13022
ViBE191
SortOf24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick33986
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH342
• OhrlRock 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota276
League of Legends
• Jankos2540
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2h 49m
RSL Revival
2h 49m
Classic vs Clem
FEL
7h 49m
Elazer vs Spirit
Gerald vs MaNa
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
10h 49m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Wardi Open
1d 3h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV European League
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
HSC XXVII
NC Random Cup

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.