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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
If someone could take the time to give me the basics of effective arbiter use, it would be appreciated, as I quite like the idea of a different style of play vs terran. On a completely unrelated topic (except it's BW), does anyone have any good strategy guides (e.g links to huatamaki style pages) for learning zerg vs protoss? I hate pvp a lot, but am struggling to get good as zerg. | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
The only time that I've ever needed/used them was in a PvZ stalemate game. I had half the map and he had 1/3 of the map. I was maxed, he was maxed and he also had like 100000 sunks. I recalled some of my army into his main base and he retreated all his men to save it (dumbass). Then I placed 3 zeals at the ramp, statis field it and then I placed 2 dts behind my frozen zeals (You'd be surprised about how many zerg users who don't keep a lord at their ramp). With his entire army trapped in his base, I was free to destroy the everything else. | ||
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
Stasising clusters of tanks can really help break a push Recalling into their main base where all the factories all can also screw a terran up because they will have to build their 15 factories back with machine shops. It will cost them an immense amount of time and resources. | ||
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on.sp33d
134 Posts
Now for the answering. Against Terran, play as either you usually do, or use the best method that'll work for you. Once you get at least three expansions, two containing gas, it should be safe and stable to work up the tech tree and begin making Arbitars. Just be sure to watch out for the turrent/metal pushes and the goliaths lying around... it can be difficult to sneak up against a Terran, although stasis can always be fun. | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
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rpf289
United States3524 Posts
other than PvT i dont think ive seen a pro use an arb.. =\ | ||
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fEAthEr
Canada482 Posts
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
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UNiMEDiA
United States25 Posts
8 temps with 200 energy each should be used in this way. Take two of the templars, use them both to hallucinate zeals. this will give you 8 hallucinated Zeals. Morph those two templars. With the remaining 6 temps, ( or however many u have) target the morping archone for hallucination. This will give you 24 Hallucinated archons. Morph the rest of your temps into archons. Its best to use the hallucinated units on move command, and run them straight through the push u r trying to break. In this way, not only will your hallucinated zeals pick up some of the spider mines, those 24 archons will force the tanks to shoot among themselves, leaving your real army to hit the front without any losses before they actually start plugging away at the tanks. Ive had great success with this strat in breaking through a heavily entrenched terran in the middle. Of course, this is not a strat to head for when playing pvt. But, if you find that you are at a stalemate in the center of land maps, and you have plenty of gas, This strat almost always ensures a breakthrough. Of course, if ur building this many temps, im assuming that you cannnot break his siege, and you have been maxed before. This is a late game way to break a dominated center by terran, DONT "go" for this. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On November 04 2004 16:23 UNiMEDiA wrote: I think that using hallucination is better than arbiters. I agree that arbiters can be useful, however the tech tree, and build time to get to them makes them less useful then 8 Temps with hallucinate. 8 temps with 200 energy each should be used in this way. Take two of the templars, use them both to hallucinate zeals. this will give you 8 hallucinated Zeals. Morph those two templars. With the remaining 6 temps, ( or however many u have) target the morping archone for hallucination. This will give you 24 Hallucinated archons. Morph the rest of your temps into archons. Its best to use the hallucinated units on move command, and run them straight through the push u r trying to break. In this way, not only will your hallucinated zeals pick up some of the spider mines, those 24 archons will force the tanks to shoot among themselves, leaving your real army to hit the front without any losses before they actually start plugging away at the tanks. Ive had great success with this strat in breaking through a heavily entrenched terran in the middle. Of course, this is not a strat to head for when playing pvt. But, if you find that you are at a stalemate in the center of land maps, and you have plenty of gas, This strat almost always ensures a breakthrough. Of course, if ur building this many temps, im assuming that you cannnot break his siege, and you have been maxed before. This is a late game way to break a dominated center by terran, DONT "go" for this. but...POD master sir he wants to know when to use arbs and how to use them effectively anyways i use them mid game sometimes :p just to torture them a bit so they cant keep pushing and pushing they will tend to stay back and wait for another recall  | ||
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UNiMEDiA
United States25 Posts
Arbiters are useful, i just find strats involving them fragile. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
in pvz: stasising ultra rules. check this rep of me v midian: http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=533 However, i believe arbs are ESSENTIAL in pvp, and a great option in pvt. In pvp: stasis is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I have about 3-4 reps against rek where arbiters basically make the difference in the game. I'll be glad to share those if you like. Otherwise, check out this rep of a game i just played: http://www.wgtour.com/info.php?datab=broodwar&id=21658 check out the game against terranssabu where i win on bifrost. Against t: Stasis is great, recall is great. Basically against fast pushers, use stasis, against turtle, slow pushers, use recall. I often use both. Carriers are just as good, but i just prefer arbs. Ill explain more later, but I'm buzzing hardcore off dip right now and im incoherent, lol. | ||
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
This may be b/c I'm not one of the APM-gifted, but I also hate having to repeatedly scan and find new comsats to scan over and over. It's another thing you have to micro in the midst of all the crap you usually have to do while playing a TvP. Oh and if they manage to lower your troop count to the point where they can hold off your main army with only part of their's, recall will definitely whoop your ass. | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Singapore827 Posts
On November 04 2004 15:56 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: Arbiters rule. no till FA replies and posts to this thread i'm not gonna agree =P imo more ppl will say HT is better coz the power of storm brings better benefits than arbiters plus you need templar archives anyway to get arbiters (tell me if i'm wrong coz i don't play toss and don't know the tech tree) | ||
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IA-Taiyoushin
United States33 Posts
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
), and just, well, fuck around. | ||
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