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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-20 04:08:53
October 19 2010 22:36 GMT
#1
MBC Official: Gretech really doesn't understand how TV stations work

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- The negotiations between the two sides haven't been going so smoothly; why do you think this is the case?
MBC: Frankly, they just don't understand our company's situation. We really want to agree to their terms, but there's a few details that we cannot accept.

- Gretech's official said that their terms were very lenient; is this true?
MBC: That was concerning SPL, but their stance on individual leagues is totally different. Since both sides signed a nondisclosure agreement, I can't really reveal everything. Their fee for the live broadcasting of individual league matches on just Friday was reasonable, but their asking price for broadcasting twice a week was far too expensive, making it hard for us to agree with them.

Note: Gretech exposed a portion of the talks to the media on Oct. 16. According to these terms, the fee for hosting the tournament was 1 won, and the fee for broadcasting it was 100 million won. Gretech claimed that they had the same terms for SPL, MSL, and OSL; SPL runs for about 10 months, and individual leagues run for about 3 months.

- Right now, KeSPA has already paid a significant sum for broadcasting rights; is this right?
MBC: According to the terms, if we integrate both the team league and individual league, we will be paying more than KeSPA is asking for. Moreover, the KeSPA-affiliated agency of IEG will be in charge of the broadcast fees, and we will provide for broadcast television post-production costs. However, to think that Gretech would help subsidize a portion of our live broadcast post-production costs is an extravagant fantasy.

- Do you believe that the other side's terms are harsh?
MBC: Right now, we practically break even on broadcasting Brood War, so we're just happy we're not going into the red. The primary audience for Starcraft is the youth of age 13-18, so advertising doesn't have much effectiveness. And the tournament prize money and raffle prizes at the finals, with broadcasting and related expenses, make it impossible to make a profit.

If we were to actually agree to their terms, our company would feel enormous pressure. At the same time, we'd have to keep in mind that we're almost losing money in order to broadcast these matches, instead of profiting. They just don't understand the real situation in TV companies; they act like just because we're a for-profit TV company, we actually make a profit.

- Last time at the parliamentary hearing, the other side said that broadcasting Starcraft matches was "illegal". You felt wronged, correct?
MBC: Correct, I felt very wronged. At least up until now, we couldn't believe they could say something like that. MBC has always paid KeSPA broadcast fees, and KeSPA is a subdivision of the Korean Ministry of Culture. We paid dues to a government department; if that is illegal, I really don't know what's legal.

- Is this problem caused by your not having received rights from Blizzard?
MBC: At the very beginning, we got the rights for broadcasting Starcraft from Blizzard's Korean partner, Hanbitsoft, and Hanbitsoft is a member of KeSPA. So, are the leagues we got permission to hold then illegal leagues? However, from the beginning of the negotiations until now, Gretech thinks that our leagues are illegal, which directly hurt the negotiation process. If we continue like this, we may not have any choice but to terminate the negotiations, and this would damage Gretech a lot.

- Recently, there's been much talk of forcing the leagues through; what do you think about this?
MBC: We don't know how this round of talks will end, so as to not prevent [casual] gamers from viewing these leagues, we have to force the new season of MSL to be broadcast.

- Is there still room for the negotiations between the two sides?
MBC: There still [should be]. We would have no problem if the other side revealed the terms of the arrangement. However, as the television station that broadcasts the team leagues, we shouldn't have to suffer the danger of losses for just this, right? The costs of broadcasting the league games is estimated to be in the tens of billions of won or more, and with such a huge market size solving many problems should be quite easy.

Really though, it's not that we don't want to pay this much to them [Gretech], but rather because if we did comply [with Gretech's demands], it would be absolutely impossible for us to broadcast the leagues afterward.

Finally, I hope Gretech does not think that my television company is so simple to run. We are competing cable stations and Korea Electric is our partner, and we both promote Starcraft leagues.

Therefore, they [Gretech] should first do some good market research before making a final decision.

Source: http://sc.plu.cn/note/2010-10-19/22071.html

Thanks to flamewheel for helping!
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fIamewheel
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
177 Posts
October 19 2010 22:38 GMT
#2
Well at least we'll be having a... forced MSL.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9790 Posts
October 19 2010 22:41 GMT
#3
D:

i didnt know they didn't make much money, thats so sad
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AssiRoyal
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Germany216 Posts
October 19 2010 22:42 GMT
#4
oh please do another msl
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5753 Posts
October 19 2010 22:44 GMT
#5
"At the very beginning, we got the rights for broadcasting Starcraft from Blizzard's Korean partner, Hanbitsoft, and Hanbitsoft is a member of KeSPA. So, are the leagues we got permission to hold then illegal leagues? However, from the beginning of the negotiations until now, Gretech thinks that our leagues are illegal, which directly hurt the negotiation process. If we continue like this, we may not have any choice but to terminate the negotiations, and this would damage Gretech a lot."

So much for blizzard fanboys saying KeSPA did not respect blizzard IP rights from the very beginning...
Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
October 19 2010 22:44 GMT
#6
ugh, that read gave me an uneasy feeling. Forced MSL...*sigh*..
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 19 2010 22:47 GMT
#7
I think they're trying to force Gretech to better terms via PR.
But I certainly hope this ends well. I didn't know MBC isn't doing so well. Maybe they need some additional form of revenue..
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
October 19 2010 22:54 GMT
#8
so happy to see that another msl is coming
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alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
October 19 2010 22:56 GMT
#9
Idk... Is it true that MBC breaks even on broadcasting BW?
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
October 19 2010 23:05 GMT
#10
On October 20 2010 07:41 seRapH wrote:
D:

i didnt know they didn't make much money, thats so sad

It's been said in the interview:
The primary audience for Starcraft is the youth of age 13-18, so advertising doesn't have much effectiveness.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
October 19 2010 23:06 GMT
#11
We hear another story and since there is an NDA agreement we can't really tell anything but speculate on what the real terms are. But it seems Hanbitsoft was Korea's partner for Blizzard then I don't know why Blizzard is claiming they haven't been paid unless Hanbitsoft kept the money to themselves.

And I don't know much about television companies but if a TV station barely makes break even on a show (or w/e the bw leagues are called) would a tv company continue broadcasting the show?
This part seems kind of fishy to me but other than that seems that MSL just has it rough with the competition of other TV companies and with Gretech demanding stuff too it is understandable that MBC is annoyed with how Gretech is handling MBC.
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MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 19 2010 23:06 GMT
#12
needs more MSL! Frown if this proud tradition comes to an end. :<
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Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 19 2010 23:17 GMT
#13
I'm glad to hear the words from MBC themselves. It does seem right, there profit in BW is good but they sort of have to do other stuff as well in BW itself. There team, the league etc...

I really hope this sorts out because we need it to work out.
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toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
October 19 2010 23:17 GMT
#14
Of course, we have to take some of this information with a grain of salt.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
October 19 2010 23:18 GMT
#15
Considering that MBC is a sorta-public broadcaster, it's not inconceivable that it doesn't make much profit. Heck - public broadcasters in other countries even are subsidized by government.

I am curious to know more about what the Hanbitsoft/Kespa/Blizzard deal was, though.
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LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
October 19 2010 23:18 GMT
#16
I actually wouldn't be incredibly surprised if their profit margins on the Starcraft leagues were pretty thin. If you think about the productions costs, the fact that most of the commercials are either for F2P MMO's or something along those lines, and the fact that they don't make money selling tickets to games, there's really not a whole lot of room for profit there. As for whether a TV company would broadcast something that barely makes them money, it certainly would if it was popular enough to draw audiences to that channel and potentially keep them there for other types of programming.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 19 2010 23:56 GMT
#17
ahhhh, between all the companies releasing their statements it's so impossible for an outsider to determine what's fair
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Woosung
Profile Joined July 2010
65 Posts
October 20 2010 00:04 GMT
#18
Interesting to hear MBC's side of the story, nonetheless.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
October 20 2010 00:10 GMT
#19
Hard to pin down one villain in this whole mess of negotiations, but I want to take sides with the people that are giving me awesome televised SCBW matches.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
October 20 2010 00:14 GMT
#20
If we were to actually agree to their terms, our company would feel enormous pressure. At the same time, we'd have to keep in mind that we're almost losing money in order to broadcast these matches, instead of profiting. They just don't understand the real situation in TV companies; they act like just because we're a for-profit TV company, we actually make a profit.

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