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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
I don't know if they really do or not but I'm just saying. Might be a loss-leader thing going on too like some other poster mentioned. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
What distributers do, correct me if I'm wrong cause I may be, is form a contract with a company (Blizzard) to distribute the product (The Starcraft CD) to retailers, who then sell it to consumers in an area (Korea) the company (Blizzard) has little/no access to. The distributer then get's a profit chuck based off of sales in that area. Does anyone know if their contract included broadcasting rights for pro-games? | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 20 2010 16:33 Fyodor wrote: Of course they're gonna say they don't make much money. Why would they say otherwise. I don't know if they really do or not but I'm just saying. Might be a loss-leader thing going on too like some other poster mentioned. Well MBCGame is one of most poorly funded teams in proleague. That's why they had to sell Bisu and July in 2007/08. And last year another big paycut for Sea et. al to save money for the MBCGame channel. New developments? http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33600 | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 20 2010 15:50 Scarecrow wrote: -.- they said the price for 1 day is reasonable but from the sounds of it gretech massively upped the price for a 2nd day (which a starleague really needs) just to reduce the competition for GSL. If you want bullshit PR just read some of gretech's releases, they aren't acting in the interest of e-sports by trying to eliminate competition. Not to mention this money would directly be going to make the GSL itself better, which is the fucking competition. Isn't this somehow monopolistic on people just playing games? I Hope this does go to court because i really don't think it would be decided in the public interest for Blizzard to be totally controlled every aspect of people simply playing their game. Just imagine if they tried to implement this shit from the beginning of the scene, in 99.... none of it would have existed anywhere near to the form it did, if at all. Was even less money then than there is now. If baffles me Gretech/Blizzard thinks they can somehow make a long term profit from this. | ||
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newvsoldschool
428 Posts
MBC is a punching bag here for a good reason. I think some of you guys have to understand the business side of things, and it is very cutthroat, unfair, and only the tough, resilient companies get to stay. In a survival of the fittest setting, MBC should honestly be weeded out if they don't improve. I don't see them as a victim. I see this as a wake up call for MBC if they don't up their game. Their competitor, OSL, is wiping the floor with them since the BW progaming industry started. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On October 20 2010 18:07 newvsoldschool wrote: I don't see why you guys aren't criticizing MBC enough. For a long time, I believe that people see MSL as the inferior league compared to OSL. You don't see OSL complaining about fees or any of that. That just means they're the more successful of the two. MBC is a punching bag here for a good reason. I think some of you guys have to understand the business side of things, and it is very cutthroat, unfair, and only the tough, resilient companies get to stay. In a survival of the fittest setting, MBC should honestly be weeded out if they don't improve. I don't see them as a victim. I see this as a wake up call for MBC if they don't up their game. Their competitor, OSL, is wiping the floor with them since the BW progaming industry started. what? MBC and OGN are the reason why there is even e-sport in the 1st place. also you talk about competition gretech doesn't even have a television channel in korea. they SHOULD be weeded out too, amiryt? | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 20 2010 17:06 Ryo wrote: New developments? http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33600 ^ Interested. Hope we get a translation sometime soon. (Today? :D) Google translate butchers it so I won't assume based off that. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 20 2010 18:07 newvsoldschool wrote: I don't see why you guys aren't criticizing MBC enough. For a long time, I believe that people see MSL as the inferior league compared to OSL. You don't see OSL complaining about fees or any of that. That just means they're the more successful of the two. MBC is a punching bag here for a good reason. I think some of you guys have to understand the business side of things, and it is very cutthroat, unfair, and only the tough, resilient companies get to stay. In a survival of the fittest setting, MBC should honestly be weeded out if they don't improve. I don't see them as a victim. I see this as a wake up call for MBC if they don't up their game. Their competitor, OSL, is wiping the floor with them since the BW progaming industry started. What are they supposed to if the industry they are in just isn't as popular as it once was? Unless there's some hidden market out there they need to get to, it's no fault of their own. OSL will always be considered more prestigious because its older. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 20 2010 18:07 newvsoldschool wrote: I don't see why you guys aren't criticizing MBC enough. For a long time, I believe that people see MSL as the inferior league compared to OSL. You don't see OSL complaining about fees or any of that. That just means they're the more successful of the two. MBC is a punching bag here for a good reason. I think some of you guys have to understand the business side of things, and it is very cutthroat, unfair, and only the tough, resilient companies get to stay. In a survival of the fittest setting, MBC should honestly be weeded out if they don't improve. I don't see them as a victim. I see this as a wake up call for MBC if they don't up their game. Their competitor, OSL, is wiping the floor with them since the BW progaming industry started. Actually MBCGame has improved a lot since they first started out. Although OSL is more prestigious cos it's the oldest, since the last few years players now consider MSL very important as well. And MBC isn't just abt MSL. They provide so much more than that in terms of gaming entertainment and other e-sports related content. | ||
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newvsoldschool
428 Posts
On October 20 2010 18:56 aimaimaim wrote: what? MBC and OGN are the reason why there is even e-sport in the 1st place. also you talk about competition gretech doesn't even have a television channel in korea. they SHOULD be weeded out too, amiryt? I'm not arguing that they didn't contribute enough, because they certainly have. But, I look at MBC's channel stream, their commercials, their quality control, how they present themselves, and it is poor compared to OGN's. Anyone remember Silver vs Savior? Poorest finals I have ever seen. How about CJ vs Hwaseung finals? They have always picked that location for their finals, plus barely any audience. OGN is really defining itself as a leader as a gaming channel. They have better, unique advertisements, while MBC's changes all the time and just catches with current trends. I see OGN's ads and I always think that they're setting the standards high, and they're much more memorable. | ||
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Weedk
United States507 Posts
On October 21 2010 01:08 newvsoldschool wrote: I'm not arguing that they didn't contribute enough, because they certainly have. But, I look at MBC's channel stream, their commercials, their quality control, how they present themselves, and it is poor compared to OGN's. Anyone remember Silver vs Savior? Poorest finals I have ever seen. How about CJ vs Hwaseung finals? They have always picked that location for their finals, plus barely any audience. OGN is really defining itself as a leader as a gaming channel. They have better, unique advertisements, while MBC's changes all the time and just catches with current trends. I see OGN's ads and I always think that they're setting the standards high, and they're much more memorable. I would think that their lack of funding holds them back in this aspect, assuming this is true. It would certainly make sense, if they don't make enough of a profit to make the MBC channel as high quality as the OSL. As one of the above posts said, they've been cutting funding on their team as well. | ||
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clm100
United States18 Posts
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 21 2010 01:08 newvsoldschool wrote: I'm not arguing that they didn't contribute enough, because they certainly have. But, I look at MBC's channel stream, their commercials, their quality control, how they present themselves, and it is poor compared to OGN's. Anyone remember Silver vs Savior? Poorest finals I have ever seen. How about CJ vs Hwaseung finals? They have always picked that location for their finals, plus barely any audience. OGN is really defining itself as a leader as a gaming channel. They have better, unique advertisements, while MBC's changes all the time and just catches with current trends. I see OGN's ads and I always think that they're setting the standards high, and they're much more memorable. MBCGame is but one small subsidiary of the MBC parent broadcasting company and therefore not one of the better funded ones. OGN certainly has nicer presentation but MBCGame has over the past few years made some of the most entertaining game-related shows. Eg. Hyungjoon Becomes a Progamer, the Sungchoon Show, Yakshik Drop (that show where they went to all the progaming houses) etc. So I don't think that their programme quality is that poor compared to OGN's. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On October 21 2010 05:27 Ryo wrote: MBCGame is but one small subsidiary of the MBC parent broadcasting company and therefore not one of the better funded ones. OGN certainly has nicer presentation but MBCGame has over the past few years made some of the most entertaining game-related shows. Eg. Hyungjoon Becomes a Progamer, the Sungchoon Show, Yakshik Drop (that show where they went to all the progaming houses) etc. So I don't think that their programme quality is that poor compared to OGN's. The Hyunjoon show certainly made me more sympathetic to their woes and what you posted about monetary trouble is making me sad. Hope they can come out of this relatively unscathed! | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On October 21 2010 04:23 clm100 wrote: For those of us newer to the scene, it would really help to have some more info about who the heck some of these organizations are, and what the history is. MBC and OGN are the two main E-Sports broadcasting companies; Gretech is a third, slightly less important (but gaining) company. KeSPA, the Korean E-Sports Association, is in charge of all the BW stuff (and other professional gaming in Korea) too. Read the TLFEs, and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75492. | ||
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