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Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110943&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
Edit: Added few things that I was missing.
So it seems like we have 2 weeks left until Proleague kicks off, yet both sides have not come to an agreement.
The large factor in this disagreement was MBC's Bigfile MSL and STX Masters Cup. Although Gretech allowed everyone to broadcast Starcraft matches until August, OGN has come to an agreement for Starleague Season 2. On the other hand, MBC used the period and ended all leagues before September, avoiding legal issues. Gretech is not happy about this.
In addition, MBC Game has set the preliminaries schedule for MSL without negotiation with Gretech.
Gretech has stated that OGN has the rights to broadcast Proleague and OSL with small fee if those respective companies recognize that Gretech has intellectual property ownership of Starcraft 1. Seems like Gretech wants IP rather than money at this stage. However, they are not willing to offer the same for MBC. Since MBC has ignored to negotiate with Gretech, Gretech said 'NO' to MBC Game. They want the games to be broadcasted outside of MBC.
Guess what? Kespa denied the offer in the 6th meeting, simply because they were going with the idea of 'Proleague needs to be aired on both the OGN and MBC Game.' Here's a big catch: Kespa offered Gretech 300,000,000 won (267332.10 dollars) for Proleague+OSL+MSL for a year. At this moment, KeSPA's position can be understood as, not only they will not accept MBCGame being excluded, all IP-related negotiations relating to Proleague/Starleague will be done within KeSPA.
Seems like this will be a hard battle, as Gretech will try not to provide an offer for MBC to broadcast Starcraft matches, while Kespa tries to get the rights for both stations to broadcast the games.
Now some of you may say that 300,000,000 won is a lot of money. In this case, this is relatively low money:
On October 05 2010 04:54 Milkis wrote:To sort of put it in context, KeSPA charged IEG something like 1,700,000,000 won for 3 years of broadcasting rights KeSPA/IEG charged OGN/MBC 750,000,000 won each for 3 years of broadcasting rights of Proleague. (250,000,000 per year) The 300,000,000 won is supposed to cover not just Proleague but OSL and MSL too. It also allows Gretech to broadcast the games made on there. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=51025Just to put it into perspective of how much money has been being thrown around with broadcasting rights. Basically you can also see why IEG left the market really quickly after this, because Gretech now has exclusive rights to SC 
UPDATE: Seems like one organization (I think Nationa Sports/Entertainment/Vacation Broadcasting Association) is holding a public hearing this Thursday. Will update more when I come back.
Source: http://fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=110946&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
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sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue)
edit though gretech has every legal right to do what they are doing and it seems like they just want recognition+ a little control more than anything. and kespa used to complete control won't have it i guess.
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Ahh and more is revealed =P. Damn you Greedtech!!!
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On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue)
MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers.
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They need to try harder seeing how they let OGN to continue their broadcasting with "small" fee.
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take the money and leave BW alone 
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On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers.
well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me.
Gretech:Dad
KeSPA:Mom
MBC:Renegade teen son
OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants.
this is my simple yet very crude analogy.
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On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy.
Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene.
as for analogies, this is mine
KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent.
Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids.
OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future
MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father.
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On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy.
simple but true =/
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I can't understand why they don't want to negotiate with MBC. They complied with the rules Gretech set out (playing till end of August) yet Gretech still get angry about MBC even though complied with their rules.
And Kespa paying 300.000.000 won for PL/MSL/OSL for a year isn't quite what I expected but still shows me that they earn more than that a year (probably way more) but still willing to pay a huge fee seems to me that Gretech is very greedy.
On the other hand they have an agreement with OGN for a small fee so this makes me wonder what really does go in Gretech's mind. They are angry because MBC didn't want to negotiate with Gretech untill the deadline (end of August) instead of negotiating during the season or something?
Both parties not coming to an agreement will hurt E-Sports and I hope it won't get worse than it is now.
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yay proleague is alive and well for at least one more season which will be bad for sc2 and 2012 proleague might just happen
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On October 04 2010 16:40 kawatan wrote:
yay proleague is alive and well for at least one more season which will be bad for sc2 and 2012 proleague might just happen
Why would it be bad for sc2...both should survive.
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I don't think it will look for gretech if this becomes a major legal battle if they seemed to monopolistic.
But I thought negotiations had already broken down, and that kespa was ready for war.
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On October 04 2010 16:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:40 kawatan wrote:
yay proleague is alive and well for at least one more season which will be bad for sc2 and 2012 proleague might just happen Why would it be bad for sc2...both should survive.
sc1 pros considering the shift to sc2 might just stay-depriving sc2 of readily available talent. by keeping the sc2 field mediocre it'll follow the same path of sc1 tournaments that were exclusively for women.
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It's great to have confirmation that at least OGN will be broadcasting proleague. Maybe if MBC says they're really really really sorry....
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i guess i'll ask in here since all the translators on staff are away.
a) estro situation (start of october already)
b) savior's sentence for match fixing
c) any interviews post-chuseok for effort?
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Gretech are evil.
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well, this is a corporate world, you can't honestly expect them "playing nice". So, I really find these analogies worthless, you guys have a skewed perspective of things when it comes to things you love (sc1/2). In this case especialy neither of the parties is right or wrong, it's just one big mess.
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Wow Gretech are you serious?
MBC pretty much did exactly what they were supposed to do and you start crying and not accepting a pretty fair sum of money for this.
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On October 04 2010 16:21 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 16:15 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 04 2010 15:59 ArvickHero wrote:On October 04 2010 15:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
sounds like kespa trying to help its business partners and gretech not liking mbcs attitude and pulling the plug until mbc drops its attitude. no good can come from a stalemate on either side, and both sc1 and sc2 will suffer until mbc conceeds or gretech does. at least ogn will be good. and thats enough for me. (as it means sc1 will continue) MBC can't concede to anything lol, Gretech is just being a little bitch and wants to find some excuse to kill the BW scene. Bunch of bastards, I'm glad me and all of my friends deleted GOM player from our computers. well sounds like to me both MBC and Gretech are being bitches about each other.......Seems like a normal family to me. Gretech:Dad KeSPA:Mom MBC:Renegade teen son OGN:Younger brother who always gets what he wants. this is my simple yet very crude analogy. Really, MBC didn't do anything bad here, they complied with GOM's rules about not broadcasting games past August and so they did it. They just chose not to go into negotiations while their games were still broadcasting (whereas OGN took the initiative), so GOM gets pissy over it. Why the fuck they do, I don't even know, I can only guess they just want to kill the BW scene. as for analogies, this is mine KeSPA: Mom who raised the family by herself, made a lot of mistakes but was overall decent. Gretech: Crack addict divorced father who just came out of jail and now wants full custody rights to the kids. OGN: Kid who thinks its better to defer to the father to avoid conflict and ensure safety in the future MBC: Kid who refuses to speak with the father.
i like your analogy better =)
gretech is definitely not the father.
fuck them and their greed and control issues trying to kill the best fucking game in the world off
screw that.
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