• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:04
CET 17:04
KST 01:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win52025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION2Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams10Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Ladder Map Matchup Stats Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BW General Discussion SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
The Perfect Game Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
KPDH "Golden" as Squid Game…
Peanutsc
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1551 users

[D] Debates Map

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 20:31:25
August 12 2010 20:29 GMT
#1


Here is the video that introduces the map (I didn't make it, the guy in the video did I guess).

Basically, it is a structured debate map where you either argue to defend or disagree with a given issue (think 'drawing contest' from sc1 ums except with debating). Each response is heavily timed has you type it out (I think it's 45 seconds per box you fill out). A winner is chosen by the remaining players who judge the discussion. This is the only custom map I have played so far and I am already fairly impressed by what the maker was able to do with the map maker. Scores are actually saved from session to session. I've entered five debates so far and am undefeated!

Here are my last two 'matches' (click to enlarge):

[image loading]

[image loading]

I usually offer to argue either side of a debate (you can choose just one side if you prefer) which is often very challenging but also very rewarding when you win!

Problems I've encountered:

1) The level of competition so far is a bit too low. Usually I am able to defeat claims like "you are wrong" or "Jesus said so."
2) The judges are often bad. For example, I once argued against someone who was afk and only won 2-1 instead of with a unanimous 3-0 (think blogs ratings lol)
3) A lot of the 'issues' which are generated randomly (from a big list made by the creators) are not very good... a little more effort should go into this.

I'm currently working on a strategy guide for this map which will be available in thread form and in paperback. Questions, Comments, Concerns?

Share screenshots of good/bad/funny debates!

edit: srs note: people who post screenshots of themselves trolling the game and not taking it seriously will be banned :3
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
August 12 2010 21:12 GMT
#2
i saw someone post this in their blog, seems like it'd be littered with people who aren't about to take it seriously.

very nice idea though, would like to see if anything good comes out of it.
boomer hands
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
August 13 2010 02:32 GMT
#3
I think it would be cool if the debates themselves were stored for evaluation later.

People not taking it seriously aren't that big of a problem since they generally won't last very long (unless they are crazy). People who are malicious can just be permbanned I guess. It's true with any ums after all.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 02:53 GMT
#4
I just started playing this map and I love it!

A lot of the topics are really bad though... and judges are also kinda bad.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
August 13 2010 03:25 GMT
#5
On August 13 2010 11:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just started playing this map and I love it!

A lot of the topics are really bad though... and judges are also kinda bad.

The quality of judges is going to be similar to the quality of the people you are debating hehe

Yeah I'm trying to think of a solution to the bad topics problem. There is an option to skip the topic but a lot of players aren't capable of identifying bad topics :/
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
ocho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States172 Posts
August 13 2010 03:27 GMT
#6
This map is fricken hilarious, I love it!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 13 2010 03:46 GMT
#7
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 03:55:36
August 13 2010 03:55 GMT
#8
My last debate before I go sleep. The creator was playing with us so it was pretty awesome!

[image loading]

I got lucky with this topic =P
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 04:15:29
August 13 2010 04:14 GMT
#9
Rather than posting the score screen to brag post the screen where the question is still visible :p

On August 13 2010 12:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.

Er, what is cross-x.com?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
August 13 2010 04:19 GMT
#10
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
August 13 2010 04:20 GMT
#11
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.

You don't need experience with timed debates... but a lot of people are also bad at it so yeah you can't take it too seriously lol

Fun?
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 04:22 GMT
#12
Cross-x.com is a pretty big debating website. I don't know if cross-x.com will appreciate it much though. The type of debate that random people on sc do compared to world class debaters are two completely different entities and do not even follow similar concepts.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 04:23 GMT
#13
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.


Timed debates are about showing off how well you can construct an argument in a short amount of time. It revolved around quick thinking and logical deduction. Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24725 Posts
August 13 2010 05:14 GMT
#14
On August 13 2010 13:23 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 13:19 BlackMagister wrote:
I saw this map on the custom games and wondered why it would be fun. Most people don't have experience with timed debates and if you want a discussion I would think just forums would be a better place.


Timed debates are about showing off how well you can construct an argument in a short amount of time. It revolved around quick thinking and logical deduction. Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics.

True, but sometimes I feel like what you said isn't true: "Forum debates are about proving to people that you are right, and is based on research and statistics"

More like.... it's about convincing people you are right using whatever means necessary!
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 16:07 GMT
#15
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17011 Posts
August 13 2010 16:50 GMT
#16
On August 14 2010 01:07 Chairman Ray wrote:
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?


No. O_o.
Moderator
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
August 13 2010 18:06 GMT
#17
On August 14 2010 01:50 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2010 01:07 Chairman Ray wrote:
Anyone else find the guy in the vid super cute?


No. O_o.


=(
elite_goomba
Profile Joined August 2010
United States9 Posts
August 13 2010 23:35 GMT
#18
woo go rodrigo! fun map :D
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
August 14 2010 00:32 GMT
#19
On August 13 2010 13:14 micronesia wrote:
Rather than posting the score screen to brag post the screen where the question is still visible :p

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2010 12:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Post this at cross-x.com if you haven't yet.

Er, what is cross-x.com?

Debate website... I dunno just thought they would like it and a lot of people there would have SC2. But I see it isn't your map so not really your problemo.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 02:38:25
August 14 2010 02:34 GMT
#20
I played once, everyone in the game was dumb and had absolutely no idea how to differentiate between good points and dumb/repetitive ones and are swayed by arguments such as "vote for me if you like girls/boobs."

And one of said people had a ton of points and was near the top scores, which leads me to believe that's quite common.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4All Day 1
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
14:00
SC4ALL - Day 1
Artosis753
ComeBackTV 479
RotterdaM451
IndyStarCraft 165
CranKy Ducklings128
SteadfastSC101
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL Team A[vengers]
14:00
Day 3
Dewalt vs ZeLoT
UltrA vs ZeLoT
ZZZero.O133
LiquipediaDiscussion
Epic.LAN
12:00
Epic.LAN 46 Playoffs Stage
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Artosis 753
RotterdaM 451
IndyStarCraft 165
SteadfastSC 101
Codebar 38
Vindicta 23
ProTech21
MindelVK 0
BRAT_OK 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8326
PianO 486
Barracks 413
Last 194
ZZZero.O 133
Dewaltoss 93
zelot 83
Rock 42
ToSsGirL 30
sas.Sziky 24
[ Show more ]
HiyA 11
910 10
Dota 2
Gorgc4696
qojqva2838
syndereN227
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Reynor112
Counter-Strike
fl0m1652
PGG 96
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor406
Other Games
singsing1561
B2W.Neo983
Lowko378
DeMusliM361
Hui .302
KnowMe142
XcaliburYe116
QueenE77
Mew2King68
nookyyy 45
Trikslyr33
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL20262
Other Games
gamesdonequick1013
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 68
• Adnapsc2 15
• iHatsuTV 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV490
• Ler92
League of Legends
• Nemesis3838
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
2h 56m
BSL Team A[vengers]
21h 56m
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
SC4ALL
22h 56m
SC4ALL
22h 56m
BSL 21
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Wardi Open
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.