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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-26 22:26:58
May 15 2004 12:24 GMT
#1
ok let me try to explain the new format that has yet to be tested again, because i want to give it a try sometime

first game

players are ordered according to the order they signed up (this rewards people for showing up on time). in order, each player must choose who their opponent will be. if a player is chosen, they do not get to choose their opponent (their turn to choose will be skipped). this goes on until everyone is playing. if there is an odd number of players, the last person, who does not get picked, will receive a free win (this rewards him for being so badass no one wanted to play him).

there will be a list of maps allowed in the tourney. for game1, the player who was chosen (by the other guy) will get to choose the map (from the list).

second game

people will finish at different times. the first two people to finish will be known as 1st winner and 1st loser respectively. they are waiting for the next available opponents, 2nd winner and 2nd loser respectively. winners will get to play losers (as a reward for winning), thus, the 1st winner ends up playing the 2nd loser. the 2nd winner ends up playing the 1st loser. the process repeats as people finish, e.g. 3rd winner vs 4th loser, 4th winner vs 3rd loser, etc.

the loser will get to choose map, in this case (from the list).

if there is an odd man out, the next winner will have to play him instead of waiting for a loser. therefore, a loser will take his place as the odd man out. it's only fair.

after those games

after a player has followed through the process for the first two games, it is much simpler.

players with less than 2 wins will play the player who is first available for them to play that also has less than 2 wins. the odd man out, the guy waiting, will always be available first, of course. you do not play the same person you just beat, either. you wait for a different opponent, or take the one waiting, if applicable. in other words, these players are "still in round 1" and thus "only play round 1 players."

players with at least 2 wins but less than 4 will follow the same rules, except only playing people with at least 2 wins and less than 4. simply, "round 2 players play only round 2 players."

players with at least 4 wins but less than 6 are "round 3 players", same as above. they only play eachother.

all of this keeps going on, perpetually. losers can keep on playing and maybe even catch up. this all encourages time to not be wasted, and rewards quicker wins (which are good for everyone who wants to play a tournament and host one)

one more thing i forgot to mention, if a player is waiting for their next opponent, and a pair finishes the game they were in, and both are qualified to play the guy who was waiting, and it's just between the pair, he must play the winner of the pair (the guy who just won the last game between those two who just arrived). of course, if a qualified guy was already waiting, he is chosen before the pair. guy waiting > winner > loser. this rule is because a winner should never be the one made to wait. the reason it is different in the "first round" is because there will always be two pairs waiting, but in this case, there is not.

another thing i forgot, the player who has been waiting the longest, in this phase, chooses the map. this rewards the speedy players and thanks them for waiting.

the finals

the first player to get 6 wins will wait around for the next available player with 6 wins. these two people will play a bo3. in fact, everyone to reach 6 wins can play a bo3 with the next person who gets 6 wins. but the first two are the finalists. the winner of the bo3 is the winner of the tournament. the loser is 2nd place. the second bo3, if played, will be for 3rd place, etc. after these two bo3's are finished, no more bo3's will start, but any ones started already will get to finish. after that, the tourney is over, hopefully in less time than a single elim bo3 tourney, with more people getting to play more games, more accurate or at least interesting results, and more rewarding people for saving time wherever possible, inside and outside the game.

in the finals, or in these bo3 things at the end in general, the player who has been waiting the longest chooses the map for game1 (from list of course, like always). the loser chooses the map after that, etc.

some other notes

i know this format will not be perfect. it will be unfair to people who take their time. it will be unfair to people who can't stop cheeses. it will even be unfair to people who play terran and thus get stuck playing tvt and tvp. it will be unfair to people who get just plain unlucky and have to face games that just go long. but it will be interesting because everyone knows all this going into the tourney. they will know that in the back of everyone's mind, they would like to finish sooner rather than later. they will also know that if they don't think they're going to win, they should not waste time.

but those interesting enough consequences come with some benefits as a tradeoff: less waiting between games. players get to play a variety of players, much like a double elim bo1 format. worser players will get seperated from the winners more quickly, and everyone will get to play more games. the format can work for an odd number of players and does not have to be a power of 2. it can work for 15, 16, 17, 18, whatever. but it is confusing, potentially. i still want to give it a try.

ok, now when is fakesteve going to do this? comments ;-)

based on the first test run, more rules were invented
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=13844

-if you refuse to choose a map from the "stupid gay" list or otherwise fail to cooperate, ur disqualified.

-in the event of a disqualification the last person you beat will magically steal your place (including your win/loss record and waiting position).

-last person picked when game1 is finished gets a free win. this means that as long as a game1 is still going on, ur basically still waiting for an opponent. u only get a free win if everyone else is done with their game1 and no opponent showed up for you, yet you showed up before all the game1's were done.

-you cannot play the same person in game1 and game2.

-if there are not enough people to go on, an earlier round will become the bo3 final instead.
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
May 15 2004 12:33 GMT
#2
Rather awesome.
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-15 12:37:42
May 15 2004 12:37 GMT
#3
Where's all the "cool" people agreeing with this? Wait, you mean this is a new idea? Screw that, this is stupid.

Edit: Sarcasm
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
May 15 2004 12:49 GMT
#4
i think you might end up with a shitload of ZvZ finals

Z games tend to be a bit quicker than other people's games.

OR

You could end up w/ something like a Z player who has a bunch of insanely fast games w/ a rec of (6-11)

vs a Terran player like Assem who always manages to have 20+ minute games w/ a rec of (6-0)

Would make for a rather dull final. (Note: I might be completely misunderstanding the format so just call me a dumbass and such)
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-15 12:59:49
May 15 2004 12:55 GMT
#5
no, you're right day[9], and it could end up being that way. what you describe is the worst case scenerio though; hopefully it will not usually go completely like that.

it might not so much be a competition of playing your race to win the best as managing the games in general, choosing the right maps and maybe even the right race (players who are able to do that will have an advantage), and possibly taking advantage of opponents who are likely to be trying to win too quickly. this format is really meant to give up some fairness, perhaps, but to save time, and add more games, and some interesting twists. it still should take skill to win a tourney like this but it probably isnt fair to all races (map choice could balance this out potentially).

i'm sure many people will try to do exactly what you're suggesting. this is why i want to see a tournament like this to see just what kinds of strategies develop (such as, for instance, choosing zerg and picking a zerg opponent, trying to get as much zvz as possible and such)
Element)LoGiC
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada1143 Posts
May 15 2004 12:56 GMT
#6
Shutup, such.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 15 2004 15:48 GMT
#7
This tournament will happen some time in the next 2 weeks, I'll talk to stimey about an exact time :D
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
May 15 2004 15:50 GMT
#8
it will happen sooner than that pls
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 15 2004 15:53 GMT
#9
most likely, it just depends on my work schedule
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
May 15 2004 15:59 GMT
#10
you're a 17 year old canadian you don't have a schedule
Dont let the action of factual things fracture your casual swing
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 15 2004 16:06 GMT
#11
my new boss thinks otherwise :O
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-15 16:27:23
May 15 2004 16:26 GMT
#12
im ur new boss. get to work.

the maps list will be (barring compelling arguments from the peanut gallery):

(4)The Guernica0.95(Ob).scx
(4)Requiem1.0(Ob).scm
(4)MERCURY1.0(Ob).scm

a zip file will be hosted and linked with jpegs posted in the event of an actual tourney

the day might be: some thursday

time: no one knows

possible names for the tourney: the stimeynation chamber
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
May 15 2004 18:57 GMT
#13
it'd be nice if the process was automated
River me timbers.
GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
May 15 2004 20:13 GMT
#14
i really llke how the freewin goes to the most badass player, thats always an issue in other tournament settings


i don't have much sympathy for the rest of it though, i think normal tournament settings should copy/paste phase 1 of your plan
DANCE ALL DAY
NoNameLoser
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1508 Posts
May 15 2004 22:36 GMT
#15
On May 16 2004 03:57 Muhweli wrote:
it'd be nice if the process was automated


2nd that.

And anyone wants to host a tournament where the most bad ass strat that succeded wins?
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
May 16 2004 03:15 GMT
#16
On May 16 2004 05:13 GroT wrote:
i really llke how the freewin goes to the most badass player, thats always an issue in other tournament settings


i don't have much sympathy for the rest of it though, i think normal tournament settings should copy/paste phase 1 of your plan


i thought about how the first part would be nice in any tourney really, too. i'm glad someone else noticed this. i'm a little worried how long choosing opponents might take, though. you could run the first 2 games of the tourney in that way, the first, say, 8 ppl, or 16, begin playing normal brackets.

i'm not sure the rest of it is as bad as you think, though, compared to your standard tournies, because good players won't eliminate eachother at all, and will probably have to play 2 bad players top and then get a whole bunch of good games, much moreso than u could ever get with brackets. will the "best" player potentially get 3rd place sometimes? sure, but i think it will pretty much average out the way most of these tournies go.
SojT
Profile Joined February 2004
United States789 Posts
May 16 2004 04:18 GMT
#17
really unfair for terran players
=]
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 16 2004 04:28 GMT
#18
Learn to cheese
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
May 16 2004 08:31 GMT
#19
On May 16 2004 00:59 Ryan307 wrote:
you're a 17 year old canadian you don't have a schedule


rofl

wait a sec.. that's not funny.
AnOther
Profile Joined April 2004
565 Posts
June 26 2004 20:24 GMT
#20
lol
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