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[Spoilers] Effort's game today

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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-19 15:29:56
July 18 2010 11:01 GMT
#1
[Translation] Effort's Extractor Mistake


During today's ACE match between SKTelecom T1 and CJ Entus, Effort brought a drone along with a large amount of zerglings (about three control groups) to break Fantasy's wall. However, the zerg's extractor does not actually create a gap in the wall.

[image loading]

On the other hand, the terran and protoss walls do create this gap:
[image loading]

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Effort's mistake did not only result in the loss of a drone, but falsely led him to create zerglings for the wall break. The loss of such a large number of zerglings and larva set back Effort's economy, leading to Fantasy's win.

It should also be noted that when Fantasy built the refinary on the geyser, the wall opened up for zerglings (as can be seen in the second attack).

Wfbrood Article
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 18 2010 11:05 GMT
#2
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
SaetZero
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States855 Posts
July 18 2010 11:06 GMT
#3
Umm.... I know your title reads spoiler, but doesn't even seeing the name "Effort's Mistake" kind of spoil it...?
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Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 11:07:37
July 18 2010 11:06 GMT
#4
Effort should read TL more. Then he would know you couldn't use extractor to make a gap. I just suddenly remembered this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=68545&currentpage=102#2031
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 18 2010 11:08 GMT
#5
On July 18 2010 20:05 ilbh wrote:
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.

? how does the extractor change that at all.....
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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
July 18 2010 11:10 GMT
#6
On July 18 2010 20:06 SaetZero wrote:
Umm.... I know your title reads spoiler, but doesn't even seeing the name "Effort's Mistake" kind of spoil it...?


Effort had two games today, besides, a mistake doesn't necessarily imply the outcome of the game.
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#7
On July 18 2010 20:08 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 20:05 ilbh wrote:
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.

? how does the extractor change that at all.....


I have to watch the VOD to make sure, but if I recall it, he could only use 2 SCVs and then the supply was destroyed.
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
July 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#8
On July 18 2010 20:12 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 20:08 De4ngus wrote:
On July 18 2010 20:05 ilbh wrote:
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.

? how does the extractor change that at all.....


I have to watch the VOD to make sure, but if I recall it, he could only use 2 SCVs and then the supply was destroyed.


Nah, that was during the second assault, where his own marines were blocking access to the center depot, so only one SCV could repair it.
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BlackMesa
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Kenya338 Posts
July 18 2010 11:14 GMT
#9
On July 18 2010 20:12 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 20:08 De4ngus wrote:
On July 18 2010 20:05 ilbh wrote:
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.

? how does the extractor change that at all.....


I have to watch the VOD to make sure, but if I recall it, he could only use 2 SCVs and then the supply was destroyed.

that was another depot.
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
July 18 2010 11:14 GMT
#10
Renamed the thread just in case.
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 18 2010 11:30 GMT
#11
On July 18 2010 20:13 Carefree Me wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 20:12 ilbh wrote:
On July 18 2010 20:08 De4ngus wrote:
On July 18 2010 20:05 ilbh wrote:
I think he made the extractor so less SCVs could repair the supply depot.

? how does the extractor change that at all.....


I have to watch the VOD to make sure, but if I recall it, he could only use 2 SCVs and then the supply was destroyed.


Nah, that was during the second assault, where his own marines were blocking access to the center depot, so only one SCV could repair it.


oh... so sorry then, lol
I just had the impression when I watched the game.

damn, if he thought he could use it to make a gap he screwed even harder...
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
July 18 2010 11:32 GMT
#12
It's annoying how weird some of the buildings collision boxes are.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
July 18 2010 11:47 GMT
#13
Ah well Fantasy's gay vulture drop rush --> valk build got figured out. Only a matter of time until this stupid bio -> mech shit does too right? RIIIIIGHT?

Actually I wasn't watching the game too closely, fantasy faked a bio opening then came out with a timing push right? Some1 correct me if I'm being an idiot cause the game was on at 2 AM over here lol
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
July 18 2010 12:51 GMT
#14
I know for a fact that gas is completely sealed everywhere UNTIL Assimilator/Refinary/Extractor is built on it. Effort was trying to abuse this fact, and there was a way for lings to get through. Unfortunately, good defense from Fantasy, as he saw what was going on.
ppp
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
July 18 2010 13:05 GMT
#15
If you read, it says it doesn't apply for extractors.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
July 18 2010 14:12 GMT
#16
yeah, guess koreans dont know this, since the commentators were shouting GAS GAS GAS before the extractor was built and for pretty much no reason.

but the scv was there to block too, so idk.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 14:13:50
July 18 2010 14:13 GMT
#17
Someone posted this earlier but I don't know if anyone saw it. Someone should go test this out!

[image loading]

Oh wait nvm, this is a different wall... he should have had the depot on the bottom iirc. So I guess it was true that the extractor did NOTHING. Wow, poor effort.
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 18 2010 14:27 GMT
#18
I am more confused about those pictures with the wfbrood logo on them. As far as I know, Yurebis created them:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95004
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datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 14:51:45
July 18 2010 14:41 GMT
#19
On July 18 2010 23:27 Aesop wrote:
I am more confused about those pictures with the wfbrood logo on them. As far as I know, Yurebis created them:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=95004


I don't know why the article writer at wfbrood put their logos on the pictures, but if you follow the link at the end of the article, it eventually traces back to Liquidpedia.

That said, this article is interesting, and the gap is between the right side of the extractor and the left side of the supply depot.
C[SCL]
Profile Joined April 2009
Philippines576 Posts
July 18 2010 14:55 GMT
#20
Perhaps fantasy knew that building the rax right at that spot could open up a hole, hence the depot above the gas. My two cents.
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