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sage22
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
June 09 2010 23:56 GMT
#1
This is something that I've been wondering for quite some time. I know that A-move has no overkill and siege tanks also do not overkill but what if say there are 6 stalkers vs 3 marines (for the sake of demonstration). If you move in with the 6 stalkers so that they're all in range, then focus down the marines individually do you end up wasting shots? Because the stalkers do 10 damage each and each marine has 45 health so will that 1 extra shot end up getting wasted or will it hit a marine you didn't target?

The main reason I ask is because if there IS overkill, you have to think carefully about the size of your control groups so that when the battle starts and you start focusing down your opponent's army you don't end up wasting alot of shots. If there is NO overkill then having a huge control group isnt a problem as your shots won't be wasted.
English
Profile Joined April 2010
United States475 Posts
June 10 2010 00:00 GMT
#2
Yes there's overkill.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-10 00:05:40
June 10 2010 00:02 GMT
#3
EDIT: Just read Elegy's post. lol
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
June 10 2010 00:04 GMT
#4
Projectiles (stalker shots, marauder shots, etc) will have overkill, attacks like the siege tank, which has no projectile, will not (something I disagree with, but w/e).
ERGO
Profile Joined October 2008
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-10 00:05:49
June 10 2010 00:05 GMT
#5
The way I understand it, instant projectiles like marines or tanks will not have overkill. I think that stalkers still will have overkill.

edit- beat to the punch!
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pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
June 10 2010 00:09 GMT
#6
On June 10 2010 09:04 Elegy wrote:
Projectiles (stalker shots, marauder shots, etc) will have overkill, attacks like the siege tank, which has no projectile, will not (something I disagree with, but w/e).


oh what? thats kinda gay and random isn't it?
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shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
June 10 2010 00:18 GMT
#7
On June 10 2010 09:09 pzea469 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2010 09:04 Elegy wrote:
Projectiles (stalker shots, marauder shots, etc) will have overkill, attacks like the siege tank, which has no projectile, will not (something I disagree with, but w/e).


oh what? thats kinda gay and random isn't it?


It's even more gay and random when you take into account that the delay between shots is random.
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
June 10 2010 00:22 GMT
#8
On June 10 2010 09:09 pzea469 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2010 09:04 Elegy wrote:
Projectiles (stalker shots, marauder shots, etc) will have overkill, attacks like the siege tank, which has no projectile, will not (something I disagree with, but w/e).


oh what? thats kinda gay and random isn't it?

it's not random at all, do you not understand how it "physically" works/makes sense?
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sage22
Profile Joined May 2010
7 Posts
June 10 2010 00:22 GMT
#9
yeah... that sucks
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
June 10 2010 00:32 GMT
#10
It's because units don't communicate well with eachother. Obviously, instant attacks don't overkill because units won't fire at dead units; they're not THAT stupid ^_^

Why can't they communicate well enough to successfully focus-fire without wasting shots? Because a strange type of radiation blocks small-scale communication. That's the Lore explanation, anyways.
pzea469
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1520 Posts
June 10 2010 00:32 GMT
#11
On June 10 2010 09:22 Vei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2010 09:09 pzea469 wrote:
On June 10 2010 09:04 Elegy wrote:
Projectiles (stalker shots, marauder shots, etc) will have overkill, attacks like the siege tank, which has no projectile, will not (something I disagree with, but w/e).


oh what? thats kinda gay and random isn't it?

it's not random at all, do you not understand how it "physically" works/makes sense?


yeah i guess i get how it works, but its weird to think that a terran using marines can focus fire stalkers at will while a toss user would have to think twice due to overkills.
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Aldair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States78 Posts
June 10 2010 00:35 GMT
#12
I've been thinking about how I could use the instant-shot not overkilling thing to my advantage.

But is there any unit besides the marine, siege tank, and thor, that doesn't use a projectile?
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-10 00:45:10
June 10 2010 00:38 GMT
#13
On June 10 2010 09:35 Aldair wrote:
I've been thinking about how I could use the instant-shot not overkilling thing to my advantage.

But is there any unit besides the marine, siege tank, and thor, that doesn't use a projectile?

Immortals, ghosts, planetary fortress.

EDIT: Reapers too..
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-10 00:40:17
June 10 2010 00:39 GMT
#14
On June 10 2010 09:35 Aldair wrote:
I've been thinking about how I could use the instant-shot not overkilling thing to my advantage.

But is there any unit besides the marine, siege tank, and thor, that doesn't use a projectile?


Immortal is the only other one I can think of.

^ Oh yeah Ghosts and PFs... pretty much forgot both of those existed :O
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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
June 10 2010 00:45 GMT
#15
it makes perfect sense to me... except that i think siege tanks should have overkill.
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
June 10 2010 00:45 GMT
#16
basic rts concept
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