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 Been awhile!Edit: Though I should note that I'm going to be on vacation starting about June 18th, so if the game isn't wrapped up by then, I'll need to be modkilled (assuming I'm not already dead). Just fair warning. If this is too much of a risk (which it seems to be to me right now) I'll understand and sit out. | ||
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On May 29 2010 13:05 flamewheel wrote: Wait o.o It should be over by then. Okay, good stuff. On May 29 2010 13:05 flamewheel wrote: Also I think you're one of those people I have relegated to the "legend" status of TL Mafia. Haha, I'm not really sure what I did to earn such! There are many more prolific players of the game who overshadow the achievements of my few games. Here's to hoping I don't fail to meet the apparently high expectations. : x | ||
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Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to say that I am not going to be running for Mayor/Pardoner. I will, however, be watching all of you who choose to do so very closely. Good luck to all, excepting the Mafia brethren. By the way, + Show Spoiler + ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup Decafchicken is clearly Mafia. | ||
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On June 03 2010 13:42 YellowInk wrote: Yes, if I am not elected to mayor, I'm sure a DT will still check my clue out and find that I am town. In this case I will be supportive in any way that I can. The point of electing me to mayor is that I can be efficiently cleaned in office where others can not. You will always have to wonder if the mayor is red. I have a problem with this logic being used as your selling point. Primarily because it is operating under several assumptions: 1. There are clues in the opening post. 2. That specific (and too obvious) clue would have to point to you. 3. No other (more vague) clues could. That said, you seem alright so far. Just saying that the logic behind this particular point doesn't flesh out well. | ||
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On June 03 2010 14:04 YellowInk wrote: It's true that I am making these assumptions. It's also true that nothing will be 100% certain. However, if I were red, I would be petrified of having the hot ink clue linked to me. Since I know I'm town, I know this clue isn't linked to me and I will come up clear. This is why I'm able to be so aggressive about it with confidence. True. You reason well, which certainly earns you some of my favor.  No voting from me until I see more discussion and runners, though. On June 03 2010 14:17 onihunter wrote: ok guys, I'm going to bed; probably going to wake up to tons of reading material at the rate that this is going =PP Mafia is more or less a giant, confusing reading assignment any time you are away for several hours. :p | ||
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On June 03 2010 14:30 YellowInk wrote: To the populace at large, I would keep a close eye on who is saying what here. No matter whether I get elected or not, there's either some flawed thinking or scum thought process going on. Judge for yourself how the game could turn out in various situations. Remember that the mafia talk to each other and are able to work as a team from the get go. They're able to instill some subtle groupthink if you're not careful. Always remember who is talking as you read and keep your thought process malleable to figure out why people might be saying what they do. I know I'm town. None of you do - yet. I propose that my position with respect to having the single clear clue pointed at me puts me in a good place to be mayor because it means you'll never have to wonder if I'm red. If I am red, I will be outed, and my position as mayor will not protect me from that. With others, the office would serve to conceal that they are scum. While I still don't agree with last portion, definitely pay close attention to the first two paragraphs people. Whether blue, green, or red this is sound advice. I, too, strongly encourage all players to observe with a critical eye the posts of, and relationships between users, as well as keep documentation for yourself somewhere of such things. It is quite easy to forget (or be lazy about) information which can be gleaned early on from such interactions. I should know, having been guilty of that pretty much every time I've ever played. >.> (working on it) | ||
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On June 03 2010 17:36 ElyAs wrote: As for inactives, I think it's still good to put some pressure on them. We'll need every vote for the mayor run and we need a non-mafia mayor or else we are in for a lot of trouble. Can you tell us more about the fact that you want more runners ? As the scums are likely to vote for one of them, if we have too many runners it can be detrimental imo. Having a Mafia member run for Mayor is beneficial for us, so long as that person doesn't actually get elected. It makes it far more likely for a bandwagon to show up, which makes it easier to identify potential suspects. Also, I dislike having only one serious person running, and thus only one good choice. | ||
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On June 04 2010 04:41 sputnik.theory wrote: A question to people with more experience with the whole election dynamic: is it common for mafia to run for office?. It is common enough. In the last game I played, three out of nine people running for Mayor were Mafia. + Show Spoiler [Section of Crate's post] + On June 03 2010 20:55 crate wrote: Medic saves and veteran hits will be told to all involved parties(well, not whoever did the hitting, but they'll know the hit was blocked when the day post doesn't have the target dead). If you get medic protected, congratulations--you've just 100% confirmed for yourself that someone is town-aligned. Medic, if you protect someone, let them know it was you who saved them. It's possible that a mafia could try to play the medic in this situation, but there are dangers for them: firstly, if it was a veteran night life instead of a medic save, the mafia claiming medic is immediately outed. Secondly, the person who was saved will get two PMs (assuming the actual medic does his job) from people claiming to have saved him. We then just lynch the people who PM'd the saved person. If we get the mafioso, great, we're done and the other guy is legit and confirmed. If we get the medic, tough luck, but we snag a red the next day. If you take a hit, either from medic protection OR from being a veteran and living, speak up. The mafia knows they hit you anyway, so you're not giving them any information. Telling the town is good. Don't tell the town how you were protected, just say "I took a hit last night." Agreed. However, I'm not so sure we should jump the gun on the bolded portion, excepting when it is a Veteran hit (who lost a life). It would be wiser, I feel, to spare the coinflip, keep the medic alive for sure, and wait until something comes up to help incriminate one of the parties. Of course, this would all be up to the individual who is PM'ed given their inability to share information, so the efficiency of either method may lie solely in said person's aptitude to use what they are given. YellowInk, I feel I have to address something regarding your campaign. You know the problems I have with your main selling point, the clue, already. However, assume for the sake of argument that I believe all of those assumptions. There are still some problems with using it as your platform: 1. Having no communication between DT's, there is no guarantee that any will check you, as well as no guarantee that they won't all check you, wasting opportunities. 2. The stance that having a Mafia member in office is not so bad for town just because of an increased likelihood of being discovered is a faulty one. The Mayor has three votes, protection from Mafia hits, and the ability to become a mouthpiece for town. Eliminating that for town (as well as silencing an outspoken townie upon election, if one were that ballsy) for one Mafioso, who doesn't even reduce KP from their death, isn't too bad of an idea. Not a brilliant idea, mind. But, also certainly not a terrible one. There needs to be more of a reason to vote for you. So far you have shown yourself to be intelligent and reasonable, which is good, but pushing hard for the vote simply based off of self-implied innocence is not going to work. | ||
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On June 04 2010 09:49 zeks wrote: Anyone have a list of inactives ? I'm not gonna bother compiling this cause I'm probably gonna make another mistake on that There aren't many: barth AcrossFiveJulys Icysoul LaXerCannon supernovamaniac These are the only people who have yet to say anything so far. A few others have only made a single post. | ||
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On June 04 2010 14:45 YellowInk wrote: Players like Darth, MTF, and crate I lean towards pro town because their thoughts are fairly well reasoned and they are contributing to the thread. This doesn't mean that they're 100% clear, but it's the sort of activity that I want to see from all the posters. I've actually been secretly hoping (and was briefly considering suggesting) that Crate would run, as he's the person I feel the most confidence in at the moment. I guess that this would be a good time to put out how I feel about each candidate at this point, based on several different things. YellowInk: Smart, reasonable. Has a decent plan for the first lynch. Is very responsive, which I'm not counting as a clear negative as many others seem to. I don't like the heavy "scum" accusations being thrown around, but it does serve it's purposes. Also provided good general advice for new/inexperienced players. Still platforming heavily on the clue aspect, which is really the only point of contention (well, that and the almost ad-esque "vote for YellowInk" at the end of many posts) I have with him at this point. DarthTheinAn: Also seems smart, as well as objective (which is a big plus) and geared towards organizing people. Has not been reactionary in a bad way and apparently checked out some of the people who voted for him as potentially being Mafia, due to the quick bandwagon effect that sprang up. I am a little worried about him due just to that fact, but it seems like the majority of the people who voted for him might have done so simply due to recent games together. More or less contending with YellowInk for my vote right now. Zeks: Got a little too much flak for a simple mistake early on. Has an alright plan to open. Seems like a middle-road choice to me right now, vote will currently fall between him and BrownBear should the first two arouse sufficient suspicion. BrownBear: Reasoning is sound, but the later arrival, backing of the already-early-bandwagoned DarthTheinAn, and (most importantly) the specific gunning for the role of Pardoner all make me feel very cautious. Pardoner is even more dangerous of a role for Mafia to grab than Mayor is, simply because of the ability to stop a critical lynch, even with a sure death to follow. All told, I'm hoping for more discussion (and for Crate to randomly decide to run ). | ||
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On June 04 2010 23:32 DarthThienAn wrote: MTF, you think zeks is townie? I think he's definitely suspect. I wouldn't necessarily lynch him because he's been pretty active, but logic early game wasn't great, as YI pointed out several times. Not sayin he's mafia, and he hasn't posted enough to make any absolute judgments, but he's on my "radar". I'm going to be completely honest and say that this is really the first game I've actively been trying to get a read on people based on how they post in the early stages of the game. I've always focused on clues/logical thinking to wrap things up later on with connections. This game is my attempt to mix the two together. :p That said, I'm not 100% sure on anybody running for office, but BrownBear and Zeks are lower on my voting list for a reason. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 01:33 crate wrote: Also, if you notice, my username has no capital letters in it. This is a bit of a personal pet peeve, because it just looks horrible to see that capital "C" dragging my whole name down to the left side. It's so lopsided.  Sorry! Force of habit/self-editing. You shall be crate from now on. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 01:33 crate wrote: Something we should watch with all the active posters (including people who make one or two quality posts a day, like MTF) is for their activity to drop. Getting in the town's good graces early on then shutting up and not having anyone notice ... dangerous for the town to potentially let a mafioso do this. Agreed. A common downfall I've noticed of many (including myself) is to have a short-term memory in this game in regards to behavior. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 01:51 zeks wrote: Something to think about: How many of the 4 candidates are mafia? Tbh it would definitely be a shame / missed opportunity for the mafia to not send out a candidate at all in such a crucial point of the game. I don't honestly feel strongly right now that any of you are, but I've learned enough from previous games that I'm not going to forget who ran, winners or not. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 02:21 zeks wrote: I feel pretty sad that no one has really backed me at all (mafia or town) - seems like everyone thinks I'm retarded and I'm the only one who thinks my ideas aren't that bad...I suppose on a mafia perspective it would be pretty dumb to send someone like me as their respresentative. I don't think you are retarded or dumb. Don't fall into self-pity just because you weren't backed. Keep up the activity and be useful to town in a way that doesn't require office! + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 02:31 MooCow wrote: What i'm thinking is either YI or Darth has to be a mafia right? What are the odds that 6 fairly organized people couldn't work someone into the mayor/pardoner spot. If one of the two is Mafia, it isn't because all of the Mafia voted for them. It will be on the merit that they spoke and deceived well. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I'm leaning more towards Mafia-side being either unorganized right now or simply too afraid/unwilling to try and put someone into office due to the high profile it requires. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2010 02:33 YellowInk wrote: AcrossFiveJulys supernovamaniac deconduo pyro0ma5ta - No, not because you said you want to lynch me, but because you have contributed very little thought to the game. CompX - Pointed at ElyAs at the very beginning but has contributed almost nothing. jiabung - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say. 3 Lions - Helped collect a few clues at the very beginning but then has had nothing else to say. Deucegladlier - Has had nothing relevant to say. Tyranos_NiveK - The one post you made of substance wasn't very clear. It seemed like you were directing it my way, but I'm not sure. We'd love to hear more from you! Zyrre - I know you're behind me, but I want to hear more from you in thread. Everybody but CompX are also among those I was considering for the position. :p There are a few other people I'm suspect of, but they are too active to be considered for this. I figure CompX just scanned the first post for clues and got excited when he thought he found a connection so early on. Don't understand the disappearing act after, though. Okay, well, it is time for me to get ready for/go to work. I won't be on for the election's finish (or most of the day/night transitions this game, actually ) but I should be back a few hours afterwards.My vote will go to YellowInk to stabilize the numbers, as Darth is comfortably ahead of everybody at this point. Let's hope for a lucky red during the auto-lynch! | ||
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As for medic protection, I'd say protect those whom you feel for some reason are town. Level of activity can contribute, of course, but as has already been mentioned, Mafia unfortunately has the ability to choose between obvious targets/random targets without disclosing that information to us beforehand. :p I would personally be going along with BrownBear and the "better safe than sorry" approach, but it really is your choice. Good luck in making it and don't get discouraged if you don't protect anyone. Medic is not an easy role to play! | ||
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An active town has a lot of power. And we can't really win without it, because otherwise everything turns into bandwagoning on the vote just to avoid getting mod-killed. Which could be very dangerous, should such occur without critical thinking/actual reading of the thread. As will be pretty much customary, I'll be back on a few hours after the next Day post comes up. In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:27 YellowInk wrote: The 'you suck' is for all the people who join a game, see they're townie (and have no role), then post to avoid bans because they're bored. I don't think that's necessarily why our inactives are inactive, I was just pointing out that people who play this way are parasitic to the game. O, I agree with that. Which is what I was trying to counter by saying that green townie is not powerless or boring to play if you're actually active. It is, in fact, town's greatest weapon. On June 06 2010 04:33 Thegilaboy wrote: That depends on their current killing power I believe. And I think stacking means that they can devote multiple hits to a single target, to try and override a medic's protection Correct. They have three hits to devote to between one-three targets right now. They could stack all three hits on one person to try to negate any (overwhelming) protection that person has or they could spread them out to three individuals. | ||
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On June 06 2010 04:40 Thegilaboy wrote: My question about the stacking thing is our we informed if that is the option mafia decide to use? I mean that when the report on the hit comes, do we get to know something like "two attempts were made" if the mafia decides to stack 2 on an individual? Seems like that would be really useful information for us to know about the mafia's actions No, we don't get that sort of information. We only know who got killed. Okay, really going now. : x | ||
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I'm the one who survived the hit last night, though considering the other two people Mafia targeted, I confess to being a little confused. Perhaps they figured they should target one obvious/two unobvious to strengthen their chances of not encountering a medic. Guess it kind of worked...? :p I'll be checking through clues now. | ||
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Keep in mind that I'm only listing the subtle connections here, and not the more "shout-in-your-face" types. (eg, YellowInk) Suspects Based Off Clues: BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Incognito the Pardoner, through his tremendous intuition, had sensed that something was to go down last night. Day 2: He walked up to jiabung's body still hung, and began to inspect jiabung, perhaps looking for clues. ... He was at his desk in his library, looking at the pictures of the recently deceased town leaders through his magnifying glass. After carefully analyzing the pictures, he realized he was no step closer to solving this crime. Connection to BumAtLarge: + Show Spoiler + BumAtLarge has a picture of Professor Layton (and Luke) in his profile. Professor Layton is a Sherlock Holmes-esque character who is said to have great intuition, and solves crimes/mysteries throughout the world. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Not feeling strong enough to lynch off of, but definitely keep in mind. Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 2: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight. ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. Connection to Hugoboss21: + Show Spoiler + "Loves playing medic & spy at TF2". The masked man, the keeping to the shadows, and the instant killing with a knife all point to the spy from TF2. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + Seeing as this ignored the masked figure beating Elyas to the steps and is only based on one Day post, the evidence is insufficient for me to feel any conviction. crate: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Crime he thought, so unlikely in his town. ... Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway....Incognito recognized the danger and started backing away quickly, but in one freak moment, the printer exploded and showered Incognito with burning hot ink, hitting him in the face. As Incognito ran outward toward the street to escape, he was struck by a speeding car. Connection to crate: + Show Spoiler + crate's profile quote is from Richard Feynman. It relates to the percieved improbability of things. It seems very improbable that Incognito would survive all of these attempts on his life, just to get sprayed in the face with hot ink and then run into a car. Verdict: + Show Spoiler + I like crate's posting. A lot. And the clue is somewhat convuluted. So, I'm far from sold. MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Relevant Clues: + Show Spoiler + Day 1: Whilst in his office finishing his work, he deflected no less than five assassination attempts, ranging from sniffing poison in his coffee cup to leaping out of the way from a thrown knife while walking down the hallway. Day 2: ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. ... After climbing into the bed, he turned off his light and turned to see his drapes flutter in the wind. He moved to them and saw his window open, shaking his head and not remembering opening the window, he moved to close it...A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. Connection to MooCow & Tyranos_Nivek: + Show Spoiler + Damn, that's a lot of stuff to be possibly connected to. In any case, both of their public profiles (which I was saddened to learn neither of you wrote) mention that they used to be a CIA agents (poisoning coffee), throws tennis rackets with extreme accuracy (knife), defy the laws of physics (easily beating Barth to the courthouse), and scales walls (Barth wouldn't have died if thrown from the first floor). Verdict: + Show Spoiler + There's simply too many opportunities for red herrings to pop up, given the amount of information available. Plus, I sincerely doubt that Flamewheel/BC would be irresponsible enough to make cluesets using this information when it is the exact same between two people. They'd both need to be Mafia for this to make any sense. Least convincing clue connection to me, overall. General Notes: (This is more or less just a "pay attention to the way things are worded" section to help newer people looking for clues. It will also show some thoughts I have that others might be able to connect to specific people.) Day 1: + Show Spoiler + as per usual for a man of his stature. Gazing down at his desk, Not going to be related to anybody short. Making his way down to the city center, he gazed at the buildings as he passed, the shopping mall that had just been built, the school he went to when he was a kid, just farther down the way a series of small stores and restaurants...he stopped by the fountain in front of the office. It was there he noticed he was being followed. Turning, he saw a figure rush forward. The killer may have started following him from one of the above mentioned places. The most logical point would be at the school, which is the last place it says BloodyC0bbler actually passes before heading back. Also, did he notice the person following him specifically because of the fountain? Day 2: + Show Spoiler + Townspeople disappeared back to their homes, to wait out the night armed with shotguns behind hastily constructed barricades. Hastily constructed barricades could be referencing something in particular. However, after a few minutes he became aware of another presence, and nervously backed down from the steps, and started on his way home. What made him aware of that presence? ElyAs moved quickly, breaking into a quick run, hoping to make it back home before he was overtaken. However, he was not to make it. As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Somehow the killer made it far enough ahead of Elyas to be sitting on the steps, waiting for him. This is despite Elyas running and the masked figure only following him before. Also, note the wording - he was "beaten" to the steps. Could indicate someone overwhelmingly winning. ElyAs gasped, but in an instant his life had been snuffed out, and the killer walked away with a bloodied knife. It only takes an instant between Elyas noticing the figure and his being killed. This could be simply detailed writing or may be a clue. The same thing applies to the word "snuffed", which could allude to candles. As he reached out to grab the handle, he felt a weight push against him, and he went tumbling out the window. Note that this assailant, unlike any of the others before, was not seen in any way. It is simply "a weight", which when coupled with the window being opened at a sufficient height to kill Barth, could indicate this killer being some kind of "force" or supernatural being, rather than a person. A sickening crack was heard, and the lifeless eyes of barth gazed up at the sky. I already mentioned it above, but feel I should reiterate: The window was high up enough that Barth died upon impact. This means that whoever killed him must have had a way to access the window. This may or may not be relevant, given that there are ways to get around heights, but as none were mentioned I feel it is important to make note of this. Finally, in terms of clues, I've noticed a lot of people talking about the first killing on Day 2 in relation to DT's. I feel I should point this out: A masked figure followed him, and stealthily kept to the shadows, not letting ElyAs out of his sight...As ElyAs passed by the town courthouse, he noticed that he had already been beaten--the masked figure was sitting on the steps. Elyas can see his killer. Not a very convincing DT, if you ask me. Clues get stronger with time, allowing the build-up of connections. We aren't likely to catch anybody Day 1-2 on them, but starting on Day 3 and continuing we will have much greater chances of it. | ||
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On June 06 2010 23:06 LaXerCannon wrote: + Show Spoiler + From TheGilaboy, I naturally see the weak DT connection but I also see other connections: ElyAs was being stalked and BloodyC0bbler was as well in day 1 and the fact that he has a stalker in his profile helps, but what really made me vote for him was the fact that the masked figure beat ElyAs to the courthouse even though he was being followed. If the masked figure really passed ElyAs, don't you think the murderer would've killed ElyAs as he passed him? My only plausible explanation is that the masked figure blinked which is an ability for the stalker. This is a very succinct explanation. Seems quite plausible. Well done. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: + Show Spoiler + The ElyAs hit seems suspicious to me. It has already been brought up that a scum outrunning ElyAs and not killing him as they passed seems unrealistic. How could he have enough time to sit down on the courthouse steps and wait for ElyAs to come around at full speed? One possible explanation that has been offered has been that the scum in question could 'blink'. Here's another: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. The biggest flaw with this theory is, quite simply, "why?" Why would Mafia put two hits on either of them, when they could have stacked those two on a higher profile/more active townie? The only plausible implication would be that I am myself doing what I warned town of before I left for work yesterday. On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: + Show Spoiler + In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. On June 07 2010 04:06 littlechava wrote: + Show Spoiler + He's suggesting that the medic who saved MTF come out and tell MTF that he's a blue role/they're both on the same side. Questionable tactic though, since MTF probably wouldn't be able to trust the guy - it could just be some mafia member trying to gain his trust. MTF has no way of verifying whether the person PMing him actually saved him. If any more Mafia members would like to come over and say hi, I'll gladly invite them for a stay. I'll be going over clues again after work tonight, as well as reviewing the post histories of a chosen few individuals, hopefully with as much analysis as crate provided. Keep looking and talking people! | ||
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On June 07 2010 12:35 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Does anyone else find this exchange very strange? On June 06 2010 04:23 MTF wrote: In case I'm dead and can't say it then, something to keep in mind: Just because a person claims to be hit last night and only two people died, doesn't mean they were. Mafia can stack hits, and while it would be ultimately unwise to do so, they might be tempted to throw the Godfather out there in an attempt to infiltrate any blossoming town-circles. So, as always, exercise caution. On June 07 2010 04:05 sputnik.theory wrote: It could be possible that two scum were involved in the death of ElyAs. One to follow him and chase him to the courthouse and another waiting in ambush there to kill him. At night, it's not hard for two masked men to look the same. Additionally, we actually have two players that 'look the same' playing in this game as MooCow and Tyranos_Nivek have identical profiles. The implications of such a double hit would be that MTF is lying about being targeted on night1. I am not convinced that the theory above is what actually took place but it seems to be a possibility. MTF wrote: It'd be a ridiculously convoluted scheme for me to be engaging in at this point. So... MTF states this scenario as a possibility, then claims to be hit the next night. sputnik comes up with a very interesting and plausible scenario, then MTF states that it's a "ridiculously convoluted scheme" even though he mentioned it as a possibility earlier. I would hardly call that a "ridiculously convoluted" scheme, since all that happened is he hinted at the possibility of such a scheme existing and then may have gone through with it (it's actually a smart scheme). I find sputnik's theory very interesting, as it matches perfectly with clues in a subtle way and explains a very improbable occurrence (successful medic protect on first night). Note that MTF has not claimed to have been contacted by a medic but did say that it was a medic who saved him. The best thing MTF could have done is keep his mouth shut about whether a medic was protecting him or not. Then, the mafia would not know whether their hit was blocked because he is a veteran or medic protected. MTF should know this as a seasoned mafia player. Does this seem strange to anyone else? There are several things wrong with this argument: 1. I never stated anywhere (and nor am I stating now) whether I was protected by a medic or not. Simply that I took a hit. Your mistake, intentional or not. 2. The reason I mentioned it being ridiculously convoluted is because of the fact that I'd have to have been purposefully drawing attention to myself with said exchange. "Hey, guys, don't trust someone automatically just because he says he got hit. *Time passes* O, hey guys, I got hit!" 3. I have not asked anybody to trust me and have not been trying to infiltrate any possible "town-circles". I have not initiated conversation with YellowInk or Darth. So, here is the scenario thus far, assuming that I were to be Mafia. 1. I warn everyone about a plan I'm about to enact. 2. I follow through with that plan. 3. I stay completely passive and just hope that I get pulled into a town-circle, while exposing myself to scrutiny from anybody following the thread at all. 4. To top it all off, I mention that MooCow and Tyranos would both have to be Mafia for the information to be pulled from the same source, just to lend preemptive support (and possibly even the idea) to Sputnik. No, that is not a smart idea. Not at all. | ||
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On June 07 2010 14:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: [/spoiler][/spoiler]Ok MTF, I interpreted this post as saying you got protected by a medic: It sounds to me that you are implying a medic protected you. Care to clarify? I'm disturbed (as are others, it seems) that you refuse to say whether a medic protected you, and whether a medic contacted you. Could you please provide reasons for this? I can think of some but I want to hear it from you. I was only trying to figure out Mafia's thought processes. I'm guessing that the "Guess it kind of worked...?" portion is what confused you. I was not implying that I survived a hit via medic, rather that their strategy did not entirely pan out, regardless of the circumstances. The reason for the bottom portion was laid out in your first post. I'm not telling the Mafia why their hit failed. It confuses me as to why you suddenly want me to announce whether I've been in contact with a medic when part of your argument from before was to state that I should have known better. | ||
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