I believe pre-patch 13 ultra always had 100% 1 AoE cleave (correct me if I'm wrong). I just went through the unit data in map editor, and noticed that ultra has percentage AoE now, over an AoE of 2. I want to ask whether this is an undocumented change, or was the percentage AoE implemented in a prior patch. Thank you.

Synk

United States297 Posts

May 21 2010 22:43 GMT

Thats troubling, seems like another significant nerf if thats a new change =/.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 21 2010 22:46 GMT

I have a patch 12 version of the editor loaded up, can you tell me which of the data lines I'm looking for? I can't find anything like radius or splash etc (well, I can find one that says radius - 1, but I think that's under a different header..).

Is this the one?

Data - Radius : 1
"Radius at which the unit can interact with other units"
?

EDIT: This was under the general ultra data, not effects, so probably wrong.

Xeken

United States77 Posts

May 21 2010 22:49 GMT

Ultralisk>effects>cleave>search

Also, I wouldn't immediately call it a nerf. Depending on the intermediate damage distribution, it could be a buff.

That said, the problem of "dead upon arrival" is still not fixed.

Edit: I believe so. I think the new one, if I'm not reading wrong, is 33% for radius of 2. Meaning that the ultra does full dmg to main target, and 33% to all other units within a radius of 2. This looks crappy at first glance.

ChaosShadow

United States79 Posts

May 21 2010 22:52 GMT

Edited- Ultralisk -> Effects ->Cleave -> Area... though i could have sworn the name used to be different in patch 12 of that field

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 21 2010 22:53 GMT

Can't seem to find it, so took a screenshot -
http://yfrog.com/5nultraxp

Gotta sleep, maybe you can see what you need there.

EZjijy

United States1039 Posts

May 21 2010 23:00 GMT

It's 2. They seemed to have changed the Editor in Patch 13 as well.
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ChaosShadow

United States79 Posts

May 21 2010 23:02 GMT

They didn't change the editor per-say, they just defaulted the data editor to use table view, so those orange buttons near the top right next to the search bar? they dictate which view you see of unit stats.

wdge

60 Posts

May 21 2010 23:03 GMT

Just tested this out in-game, they do indeed do less damage to surrounding units then their main target.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

May 21 2010 23:05 GMT

#10

On May 22 2010 08:03 wdge wrote:
Just tested this out in-game, they do indeed do less damage to surrounding units then their main target.

thats sorta how cleave works

wdge

60 Posts

May 21 2010 23:05 GMT

#11

Well yes, now it does, but I'm pretty sure it did full dmg to all targets before the patch

ChaosShadow

United States79 Posts

May 21 2010 23:06 GMT

#12

from FrozenArbiters screenshot, i think we'll need someone to get us a view of the UltraliskSearch effect to see the splash of the patch 12 ultra

Gnarg

Netherlands165 Posts

May 21 2010 23:08 GMT

#13

Offcourse a circle of radius 2 has an area 4 times as large as a circle of radius 1.

Turbo.Tactics

Germany675 Posts

May 21 2010 23:10 GMT

#14

I am pretty sure that it did full dmg to all targets in Patch 12. I tested some things with a friend and all marauders received the same dmg if I remember correctly. Gotta watch the replay again :O

Xeken

United States77 Posts

May 21 2010 23:18 GMT

#15

Ultras did full dmg in 1 AoE pre-patch 12. I confirmed using some replays. I say that this new thing is a nerf because of the following.

Against a small ball, patch 12 ultra did amazingly well because they can kill all the units very quickly, while not dying due to the ball not being critical mass. So they actually did have limited usefulness. In patch 13, ultras will be worse against a smaller ball (can't utilize the full effect of AoE of 2), and they are still worthless against a large ball because they just die.

Basically, ultras now do more damage slower, which is a problem because they die even faster than before.

My brain hurts.

Lobo2me

Norway1213 Posts

May 21 2010 23:19 GMT

#16

Pre patch aoe
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Wings

United States999 Posts

May 21 2010 23:21 GMT

#17

AKA no more of this.

Spawkuring

United States755 Posts

May 21 2010 23:22 GMT

#18

Yep, I also noticed this after messing with the editor a bit. Rather nasty stealth nerf to give to the Ultra.

Xeken

United States77 Posts

May 21 2010 23:39 GMT

#19

Another thing, cleave doesn't work like it does in WC3. The damage cleaved isn't a % of the main target's received damage. If it's wc3 cleave, marauder being hit by patch 13 ultra will receive 39 damage, and the marine will take 33% of 40, so 13 damage. With SC2 cleave, marauder will eat 39 damage, and marine will eat 5 damage (33% of the 15 that the marine would normally take).

Basically, the suck keeps piling on.

IrT4nkz

229 Posts

May 21 2010 23:42 GMT

#20

Even with the new changes, Ultra usage doesn't seem to appealing, considering a 150hp reduction. It already gets eaten up by MMM balls with 600hp, now even faster with 450

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