World at War Mafia

On April 07 2010 02:52 haster27 wrote:
Wait, citizen. Did you just replace infund?

On April 07 2010 03:08 JeeJee wrote:


retaliate = nuking people that nuke you
no idea why you separate the two as if they are different

On April 07 2010 10:47 Iaaan wrote:
looks like the town loses with tonight's hit. Doubt there is a 3rd faction. unless it happens to be 6:4 split, which i doubt.

On April 07 2010 22:41 Fishball wrote:


Ok, let me change the question a bit. What makes you think the nuke stealer would target one of you two, a variable, instead of someone else that can't transfer, a constant? Hell, someone like China have 3 nukes just sitting there. Also, what makes you think your nuke(s) are so much more important than others?

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night.

Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

On April 08 2010 03:43 Caller wrote:
Okay, that does it guys:

I am actually Japan. I have no antinukes left, for the record, because I shot down the one that RoL launched at me. You may be wondering why I was acting all mysterious and suspicious throughout the entire fucking game. That's because I knew that if I claimed Japan and /or made myself not a lynch suspect, I would definitely get night hit and that means I wouldn't be able to figure out if I was insane or paranoid. Which, of course, means that my checks would turn up diddly squat and be completely useless.

We still got this:
Mafia KP is one per night. There clearly are no more than 4 mafia left. Therefore there have to be at least 5 townies. If we hit a mafia every night, we win. SK is dead so KP is down to one for lynch.

HOWEVER: I can now say that I am officially Insane.

Now consider:

I checked citi.zen last night and he came out town. That's right, town. Which means that I am insane and that therefore he is scum.

There's our lynch for today.

On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.

I am Israel, an Alignment Cop. The reason that I have barely said anything all game thus far is because any country's leader that opened their mouth died in a nuclear fire along with their many innocent civilians, as all can very clearly see. I didn't think there was any need at all for me to endanger my people's republic before my intelligence agency managed to get even one check off, so I figured the best thing to do was to say nothing. If people suspected my people of being conniving Mafia, then all the better, as by hiding among outsiders have the Jewish people survived for this long.

Basically, I have the ability to see whether or not someone is Innocent or Mafia.

I checked Nikon last night, because there were numerous suspicions among the people for his odd posting strategizations. But for some reason my checks had resulted in the determination of the role of meeple instead, and he, to my horror, was Mafia. I'm guessing that this odd switching of roles must have something to do with that blasted bus driver role that flamewheel had emplaced in his game.

I was initially going to reveal the people's will earlier today. But having saw that meeple was an ambiguous cop, I decided that it would be more effective for me to retreat and allow the intelligence agency to collect more datath. Firstly, if the Mossad were sane, that would give me result that meeple was in fact an innocent. The fact that he came out as a red scum implies that I am either insaneth or paranoidal.

Firstly, Infundibulum claims Paranoid Gun Owner. This is a very powerful role as it prevents people from visiting you at night without death. Now, because you want to draw mafia hits as it’s a free kill, in addition to preventing blues from being suspicious and checking you out, you take an active role in town discussion. Instead, both you and Infundibulum just kind of sat on your ass and only came out to defend yourself from allegations, otherwise you just kind of hmm de hmmed while other townies died.

The other effect of Paranoid Gun Owner is that it’s a deterrent to all blues to visit you, including DTs . At this point in the game, I was like why the fuck not, check him out, it’s almost over anyways. The very fact that I’m still alive and came out with a check means that you cannot possibly be the Paranoid Gun Owner.

Thirdly, your entire defense has been a by-the-book chainsaw defense (meaning you attack the other person instead of pleading your innocence). While this is not a hundred percent trustworthy, it can be a scumtell, especially when other people defend you in a similar fashion.

Fourthly, your posts have been “I need to catch up to the game and do reading, blah blah blah.” This may be valid but usually these posts are just an excuse for inactivity. If you’re innocent in general, and ESPECIALLY the Paranoid Gun Owner, you should just start firing away at everybody and hoping either you get mafia to slip up or you cause mafia to put a hit on you.

You and Infundibulum have done neither, instead preferring to AFK your way to victory. This is a valid strat as paranoid gun owner to counter blue sniping. However, you don’t fucking CLAIM paranoid gunowner if you’re doing this strategy.

In other words:
a) Both of you contributed nothing
b) You have a way to deter night visitors through your claim
c) If you truly are Paranoid Gunowner then you are playing your role terribly and letting mafia blue snipe no problem. Why the fuck would you roleclaim that shit AND pretend to be a blue?
d) My check shows you as innocent and since I checked meeple (blue) as red, that means I am insane and you are red. And because I visited you and I’m still alive, you clearly cannot be the Paranoid Gunowner.

And haster, your entire post is a great example of Mutual Chainsaw Defense (scumtell). Rather than show why citi.zen isn't scum because of his reasons, you attack me because "It's obvious that Caller is scum."
Really now?

On April 08 2010 05:03 Abenson wrote:
Alright, ~OpZ~ didn't die.
So... I think he is at work right now, but I want to release some of the PM's he sent me.
We feared that he would be the one to die today, and he sent me a bunch of things/thoughts for me to post if he had died.
I think i'll let ~OpZ~ himself explain, but if he's busy i'll just post the PM's

We need to think this out.

##NUKE: ~OpZ~

On April 08 2010 09:27 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I think I've previously said my feelings on this. Want what are you talking about voting you out because you advocated Nikons death? I'm not voting you out, I'm voting citizen out. What kind of statement is that Haster? Are you citizen?

Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked.

Infundiblum...He's come and popped up being helpful and gets banned. I didn't like his role. It doesn't seem very town to me, but Xelin's screamed mafia too so who knows.. Great fucking timing

On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote:
so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view:

caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia.

On April 08 2010 11:39 ~OpZ~ wrote:


Caller claiming Japan makes him EXTREMELY less scummy. Just saying...If he would of saved himself, then claimed Japan out in the open, mafia would of hit him. He would of seemed extremely more pro town. Meaning a higher chance the mafia would hit him.

Because Infund false claimed? Obvious. Not that hard to see.
How would you deter the known cop to investigate you?
Claim townie or claim a blue that can't be checked. Haster/Infund

Insane Cop. Terrible argument, you need to reread the thread. Meeple came out red. D3 came out red
You came out Town. Meeple is confirmed, and D3 will be confirmed.

On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Ok. I'm off work, done dinner, and caught up with the thread.

First off, I want to point out my two top suspects besides Xelin. I would talk about Xelin later on.

Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona.

Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list.

Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night.

Results: Caller visited Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Pretty much self explanatory right here.

So Meeple and Amber was killed last night. We don't know if Mafia have more than one KP or not. If they do, the kills would easily make sense and Caller could very well be Mafia.

Let's assume Mafia only has 1 KP, and the other kill was from a Vigilante or the sort. Now Xelin pops out and says:

due to the reason:


Now, to me, this is just simply wording, and doesn't specifically means anything. A Mafia can also kill a target and the target would be "found dead" in the morning, no? Also, as mentioned in the thread, Amber was already suspected by some players, why would the Mafia hit him if this was the case? If a vigilante were to choose between Meeple and Amber, most likely it would be Amber. My point is, regardless of how much KP the Mafia has, Meeple is likely hit by a Mafia, and Caller took an action against Meeple last night. Meeple ended up dead.

Now, my ability only tells me who visited who at night, but doesn't tell me what the player did to the other player. Regardless, I'm 100% sure that Caller has a Night ability. Is he a Medic? Don't think so, as the Mafia would literally have to use 2 KP on Meeple to kill him. Is he a DT? Among so many "suspicious" players out there, what are the chances Meeple being checked? Coincidentally having Meeple die on the same night? Also, I consider my role like a mini-DT. Would there actually be a full DT role in this game? These are all hypothetical questions, but when you answer them all, the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.

One thing I don't understand is Xelin. His actions is like asking to be lynched, like the Village Idiot role pointed out by others already. I don't know what Xelin and Nikon have against Zona, as the majority of the players is obviously not seeing what they see, but after the Nikon stunt, Xelin has the guts to do the same thing, again, almost immediately (6 minutes) after the Night post. It doesn't matter if you are Mafia or Town, this move is just retarded.

If we put aside Xelin's "kill-me-please" plea, what should we do with Nikon and Caller? Nikon's move during Day is far more suspicious to me, and has yet to answer to his actions. Should town launch its first consensual nuke?

On April 08 2010 11:58 Caller wrote:

By the way citi.zen, your entire "Martyrdom" approach doesn't help your case at all. The last time people have tried this approach (capek and iaaan) they were both scummier than the bottom of a boat sitting in water too long. In fact I would've used this as rationale for lynching you without any of the incriminating evidence, because no innocent would EVER make this kind of self-immolation without some kind of ulterior motive, which you clearly don't have.

In fact, martyrdom is such a scumtell that I'm going to vote for you again.
##vote: citi.zen

On March 29 2010 00:58 citi.zen wrote:
I am not even sure where to start. There are only 2 reds, but far more people not making sense - meaning that pointing out inconsistencies will not help me get the mafia. Can't congratulate the mafia, this is primarily the town's own doing. So screw it, there is no more I can do here.

Go ahead and lynch me.

On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote:
Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts.

GL town.