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On January 21 2010 00:55 d3_crescentia wrote:Checking up on people with large postcounts for veterancy using the search feature... ~OpZ~ - TL Mafia II, III JoxxOr - TL Mafia II, Ace's Mafia World decafchicken - TL Mafia II, III l10f - Pyrry's Mafia Game Fishball - a lot of them (II, III, V, VII, and more) QuickStriker - TL Mafia VII I know there are plenty of people who have played mafia with relatively smaller postcounts. I'll come up with those as soon as I feel up searching through 29 more names. At any rate, these are people with posting histories that we can maybe sort of guess about their posting history/behaviors. Also... a discrepancy (for the lulz, I'm guessing): + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2010 04:52 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2010 04:48 Ace wrote:
I think this game is almost all new players, or at least 75% are. The game you linked was quite complex but yea you'll get the gist of Mafia reading that.
The wikipedia article is also a great source of basic information. i've never played before! Oh decaf, you... person.
Randomly picked a candidate before reading the thread, but I like you, so I'm changing my vote to you.
This is actually my first time checking this thread, so just going through the pages right now.
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In my eyes, no matter who becomes Mayor (Sheriff in this case...), in whatever Mafia game, the Mayor should always go with what the majority of the town consensus, or else things usually get sticky really fast as seen in the past. (Not just voting, but using the role's powers as well)
There are only a few circumstances when a Mayor wouldn't do what the town desires
- Mayor is Mafia
- Mayor think he is better than everyone else
- The majority of active townies speaking up are Mafia, thus deceived.
- Inner Circles
So as long as our green Townies are sane and active and our Mayor isn't a douche or red, this would be a step in the right direction.
In short, I want a lap dog 
I'm not an active speaker, let me be...
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You guys need to go easy on the speculation, and wait for Day 2.
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Let's see here...
Direct clues are highlighted
Day 1
One night in a town of Liquiville, there came a strange event. An event of history and would lead many people to bewilderment. The sheriff Ace however was on the case. Journeying to the docks by the beach, he answered the cries of a persons shriek. What he found however, was a trail of blood. Following it straight to a cave, he saw a body at its opening, tenderly embraced by the incoming tide. Rushing to the persons aid, he turned the body and knew it was grave. A quick check of the pulse, and he knew it was done, L would fail to see the coming sun. Picking up the body, he turned to make his way back to town, and failed to see the figure step behind him. With a quick attack, the Sheriff Ace collapsed to the ground. His mind raced towards the possibilities of what happened, and he reached for his gun. But before he could begin, the figure drew overtop of him and the sheriff was done.
Across town in his mayoral office, vx70GTOJudgexv sat at his desk. He was busy signing new laws for the town when he heard a crash outside his door. Getting up and exiting into the hall, he began to search for the sound. As he explored the nearby rooms he moved back to the hall and made his way back towards his office. It was then that he saw something on the ground by the window at the end of the hall. Moving towards it, he saw that it was a broken flower vase, with its contents now spread across the carpet, as well as the pieces of the pottery. It was then he felt a rush of air behind him, and something sink into his shoulder. The mayor vx70GTOJudgexv cried out, and crumpled dead to the floor.
When the town awoke from their slumber, they found the three bodies lying in the town square. Knowing that they were not safe, they began to hold an electoral race. It was here that the town began to be reshaped.
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Now a look at Day 2
Day 2
The night was a memorable one. It was a night of valiant struggle. The records show it began sometime after 1 am in the bowling alley. Toplexa, and i10f were out playing a late night game, to kill most of the night. The knew better to indulge their vices in liquor this night. The also knew better than to have their back to the doors. They were on watch the entire night, they figured that would be enough. They figured wrong. The heard screams coming from outside the building, and quickly drew their guns and moved slowly outside. When they emerged they witnessed itspaul charging a figure in the shadows who had some long object in his hands, one that quickly blocked itspauls clumsy attack and quickly counter attacked and killed the man.
toplexa drew his rifle to his shoulder and began to fire rounds at the figure, but was too late, the mafia was already gone. nodding to his partner, they both began to creep into the night, looking to catch the killer they had just seen. That was the mistake however. As they approached the town center, they noticed someone drawing something technical on one nearby store walls. Gazing over his shoulder, the man stopped, and quickly fired two shots and ran for cover. Toplexa went one way, and i10f went another. Unfortunately for Toplexa, he never made it into position. He was stopped partway by a man with a long blade. Raising his rifle to shoot the man, he watched almost hypnotically as the man performed some odd formations in the air with his blade. When the blade finished moving, toplexa dropped dead. His lifeless eyes gazing in the direction of his friend. Had he been able to see, he would have seen i10f lifeless eyes staring back at him.
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Below, I've associated clues with the Mafia which I think are the same person. Please keep in mind these clues could very possibly be pointing at different Mafia members and not like how I listed below. The ways of how I interpreted the clues could also be false. Please think before agreeing/disagreeing.
Mafia 1:
As we can see from the two days of clues, there are repeated clues pointing "The Figure". "The Figure is a Mafia that is very fast. Among all the players, I cannot help but think "QuickStriker".
In his profile, he has Lelouch as his profile picture. Lelouch is also called Zero, which is the main figure head in the anime, Code Geass.
However I haven't been able to relate the "long object in his hands" clue to him.
Mafia 2:
A Mafia that was drawing something technical on the walls.
Seems like an anxious, careful person as he gazed over his shoulder, shot and ran for cover.
Mafia 3:
A man with a long blade.
By reading the clues, it seems like he is one of those Samurais (long blades) that you see in Manga/Animes that would attack so fast with his blade as if he were slicing the air, then his target would be killed right after with some slight delay. At least this is the impression I got.
Mafia 4:
The person that killed vx70GTOJudgexv in Day 1.
Right before it happened, vx70GTOJudgexv heard a crashing sound. In Day 2, Toplexa, and i10f heard screams. Sound related clue or just BloodyC0bbler's writing, I'm not sure, but something we should definitely take a look at.
"A rush of air" clue is associated with this Mafia as well.
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I've went through all the player's profile once, and Quickstriker is the only one that pops right out in my head. If there isn't another better candidate proposed, or if I haven't found anything new, I would vote to lynch QS first. However, keep in mind, I wasn't able to link the "long object hands" clue to him.
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Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link:
IloveKt
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On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: Show nested quote +I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so.
I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
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On January 24 2010 11:05 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:29 d3_crescentia wrote:On January 24 2010 09:35 toplexa wrote:
): gg GG, buddy. Hate to see you go so soon after you just joined. =[ A few points that I'd like to bring up... Fishball: I like your post, though I cannot help but notice that your current icon is a Dark Templar, who is known for hiding in the shadows and swinging blades at people. What is particularly interesting to me at this point is the phrase "performed some odd formations in the air." I agree that there seems to be a connection with the air clue and feel that this is the same person as Day 1 who killed Judge then. My suspicion lingers on iloveKT, from the following post: I voted for Xelin just so I wont be branded as inactive and maybe be modkilled. I was away for the last couple of days. Reason for voting Xelin: I dont think he can win. lol. We are currently down to 23 townies and 7 mafia. I will be voting to use a double-lynch on Day 3 and encourage everyone else to do so. I see these "Dark Templar" references almost every game, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Keep in mind the guy with the blade was not standing in the shadows whatsoever, but was visible.
Just by looking at the players names, only VelkanKnight can be associated with blades directly.
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On January 25 2010 02:20 d3_crescentia wrote:dozko, we have to vote TO HAVE a double lynch before we can actually do it on the next day. A brief PM conversation I had with BC. Read from bottom up: Show nested quote +correct. They only choose who to hit. I then control who does it. That way every mafia will get used in clues as opposed to just consistantly the same people
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So getting this clear; Mafia do not have direct control over who does the killing?
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1 kp is = 1 kill.
For each kill 1 mafia will be used. 1 clue will be left by each mafia who makes a kill that night.
As for which mafia are active at night are up to me. So they could be used multiple times at this point or once.
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How do mafia hits work? Does 1KP = 1 person doing the hit? If so, does that mean that though there are 6 mafia only 3 of them could be doing hits (and thus have clues leading to them)? Are the mafia forced to alternate or can the same person do a hit twice in a row? Would these generate similar clues?
Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it. Problem: References to 'quick' are as vague as ever, since we don't know which mafia member could be attacking. The clues will have to be MORE telling than simply adjectives. Following is from an older game (Mafia VII) where the mafia won. BC so kindly revealed the clues and whom they pointed to: Show nested quote +Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase(3clipse) before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast Show nested quote +As he passed the desk he noticed a weird phrase on the screen. As amber[light] looked down from the computer, he noticed a figure under the desk, and a metal glint in his hand. Two silent shots later, amber[light] collapsed to the ground, and the man fired another shot into the body’s head for good measure. (3clipse) Show nested quote +scamp gazed up as the figure blocked the moonlight from reaching him, then he was kicked hard in the head till he died. (3clipse) And also: Show nested quote +he let his wire fly around incognito’s throat, and with a bit of work, incognitos head was rolling along the floor. (0cz3c) And for reference, BC's explanation of how they were associated: Show nested quote +3clipse code, eclipses, anything with the number 3
0cz3c box, decapitation, surrender, political These are the kinds of things we should be looking for in clues. As such I'm now concerned more about the method of death and other random clues, and wondering if we can link both of the Day 1 and Day 2 clues together to see if they are suggesting the same or different people (which I believe is more of the case). Each killer will likely be distinct from each other as far as clues go. We know that the first reference to quick was simply an attack, but the second was two quick shots - which are associated with a technical drawing. We also have a mafia with a long object, a mafia with a blade (and strange motions), a person who was near a cave/shoreline, and a person associated with the flower vase. Conjecture: All of the mafia will have acted at least once by Day 3, and at least two of them will have acted twice. Conjecture: None of the killers from last night were the same from the night before. I believe that it follows that it is unwise to lynch QuickStriker currently, simply because the adjective 'quick' was used twice. We don't know how Ace died - it could have been shots or stabs or some bizarre martial arts blow, and the fact that it was quick shouldn't be as big as people are making it. One more thing: we currently have 23 townies and 7 mafia. This is a difference of 16 people, or 4 more days of killing people assuming we all hit townies each time, and that there are no vigis/medics active. Using a double lynch once will take us down to 3 days, but if we do it twice in a row (or even not) there will still be three days left. I encourage everyone to vote for a double-lynch tomorrow at the very least.
Good post. I always welcome people with different point of views that actually makes sense.
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On January 25 2010 05:39 decafchicken wrote:
I think quickstriker could be mafia going off the clues, but at the same time referencing "quick" in both days seems too easy...or is it? Rest of the clues i have no fuck about, so i'll probably end up voting for quickstriker, and double voting for the next highest number of votes on a person if enough people are double lynching.
That's is actually what I'm thinking too. It just seems a little bit too easy.
I recall in previous Mafia games, ShadowDrgn keeps getting lynch because of "dark shadow, flame" clues in those games, but every time, he was just an innocent townie. Poor thing...
This would also make sense that I couldn't relate the "long object in hand" clue to QS. If what d3_crescentia stated were true, the clues in Day 1 and Day 2 would be pointing to two different people instead of the same one.
With that being said, the "quick" and "figure" clues are still on the table which I don't mind taking a shot at.
The second guy that I would like to keep an eye on would be IloveKt, as stated on page 26, and brought up by a couple others as well.
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To be honest, the chances of the town winning is pretty slim.
23 players left, 7 Mafia, 16 Townies.
With 2 Vigilantes and a Detective dead, we pretty much have to ace every single lynch, and Medics would have to make the right choices every night.
What makes it even worse, is that BC said half the blues are inactive...
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On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho.
I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg:
- RoyW
An enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown
- Jonoman92
Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology
Just another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
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During lunch break today, I was checking the voting thread and noticed tree.hugger has placed his vote on softer, and it was very close to the dead line.
In his previous post, he said:
On January 25 2010 12:40 tree.hugger wrote:
With three votes, I have tried to be cautious with this responsibility. I'm going to wait till tomorrow afternoon before I leave for class to make my vote, and I will post my reasoning for it as well. With the voting as spread out and close as it is now, whoever I vote for will almost inevitably be the person lynched, and therefore, I will be as patient as a I need to be in order to make the most rational decision. Hopefully I pick right.
I am unsure of whether I support an immediate double lynch, although I don't believe my influence is as heavy on that issue. Is using the double lynch common on the second day of voting? Is it usually successful? I'm not entirely sure that using this power is best spent on an early day, while more clues may be available at a later date. Using this power shows confidence in our guesses that I'm not 100% sure we deserve to have.
So I reserve both my votes. I'll make a choice tomorrow.
At the time, QS already had 5 votes on him. With tree.hugger's vote on softer, it brings softer's count up to 5 as well. Still, QS would have been lynched as he was the first one to 5.
But what would be the point of doing so, voting at such a late time, with a high probability of the target not being lynched? I decided to abstain my vote from QS and let it play out; Turns out this was unnecessary as Iaaan and d3_crescentia both voted softer at the last minute.
This scenario just seems a bit odd to me. Also, softer never really had any solid clues related to him.
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On January 26 2010 23:35 dozko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 14:54 Fishball wrote:
During lunch break today, I was checking the voting thread and noticed tree.hugger has placed his vote on softer, and it was very close to the dead line.
In his previous post, he said:
At the time, QS already had 5 votes on him. With tree.hugger's vote on softer, it brings softer's count up to 5 as well. Still, QS would have been lynched as he was the first one to 5.
But what would be the point of doing so, voting at such a late time, with a high probability of the target not being lynched? I decided to abstain my vote from QS and let it play out; Turns out this was unnecessary as Iaaan and d3_crescentia both voted softer at the last minute.
This scenario just seems a bit odd to me. Also, softer never really had any solid clues related to him.
Who do you think we had solid clues on, in your opinion?
Sorry, I think I should reword my phrase and not use the word "solid", but I hope you get my point.
I think there were better candidates that we have discussed over the past couple days. The "Tenderly embrace" clue in Day 1 was the only linkage people thought that could have led to softer. It isn't even a direct clue (as in describing a certain mafia of their actions, appearance etc.).
tree.hugger pm'd me the following.
... my intention was to put another plausible candidate up, because I just wasn't ready to lynch QS. This was my mistake, but I figured that by tying the two, there might be a little more discussion over the options. I was not willing to either put QS away, or put someone else randomly ahead of him.
There was a bit on Day1 that may have implied softer, and I thought it was worth a bet.
I should've been more decisive, I think.
Which means he at least thinks softer was a "plausible" candidate. But given the clues so far, if one is not willing to put QS away, why pick a lesser target and put him as a "plausible" candidate?
Why would Iaaan and d3_crescentia CHANGE their vote to softer at the last moment? Something just doesn't seem to add up here.
EDIT: TYPO
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I edited my post within a minute, typo...
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On January 27 2010 03:31 XeliN wrote:
The the next lynch I propose Tree.Hugger, He has shown through his votes and also some of his postings that he is likely to be Mafia. He gets 3 votes each lynch and the longer this game goes on with him in that position we are going to have a far more difficult time of actually lynching Mafia. I consider Quickstriker and Dozko certainly more obviously Mafia but they have far less influence over this game.
With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last.
Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch
Don't go too hasty until Day 3.
I personally won't make any decisions until then.
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Saw this coming
I would be surprised if I was still alive.
Now get off my DT Icon.
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On January 31 2010 13:37 flamewheel91 wrote:
Sweet, we are down to 2 mafioso.
C'mon guys you can do it!
Wrong thread buddy...
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Everyone ignoring me (except for the mafia) was a great move.
Hell, people inclined to go after Xelin's list instead of the suspects I've posted before.
Overall, there is too much behavioral analysis, bad behavioral analysis.
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On February 03 2010 13:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right.
On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at.
Also
On January 24 2010 10:05 Fishball wrote:Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link: IloveKt
I've also brought up VelkanKnight, though it was a different clue interpretation.
All in all, I think people should focus more on clue analysis and less on behavioral analysis. Its just too easy to be lead in the wrong direction by the Mafia if you're not experienced or good enough.
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On February 04 2010 02:07 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 15:52 Fishball wrote:On February 03 2010 13:47 Jonoman92 wrote:
Thanks a lot for hosting BC. Whoever outed me for that technical writing clue, good job, you were right. On January 25 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote:On January 25 2010 07:50 Iaaan wrote:
If you look at Quickstrikers profile pic, it could be a 'technical drawing,' and maybe could fit with some of the other clues depending on what anime character it is, I don't know tho. I would link the "technical drawing" clue to something more technical, eg: - RoyWAn enginner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_W._Brown- Jonoman92Profile quoting "sMi.Arcology" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcologyJust another approach you guys might want to take a look at. Also On January 24 2010 10:05 Fishball wrote:Sound clues IF they are clues, possible link: IloveKt I've also brought up VelkanKnight, though it was a different clue interpretation. All in all, I think people should focus more on clue analysis and less on behavioral analysis. Its just too easy to be lead in the wrong direction by the Mafia if you're not experienced or good enough. You also pm'd me "Die godfather!" when i was in fact the godfather ^_^
Oh, yeah.
That was after my death, so I already knew who was Mafia.
BC said there were no clues towards the Godfather until Day 4, so at that point of the game, there is no way I can confirm you are the Godfather, let alone Mafia.
I was bored so I pm'd you, but you never replied.
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