Jaedong vs Bisu Stats

MrHoon

10183 Posts

September 15 2009 12:48 GMT

So I've been lurkin around fomos to see if anything not even remotely retarded was posted on their forums

and I encountered this specific post that I would like to share with you...

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Shiny Milky Skin wrote:
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맵 분석
신백두대간(106:138) => 저그맵 승률 57%
Blue Strom(160:159) => 개념맵
오델로(23:22) => 개념맵
콜로세움 2번(74:81) => 개념맵(약간 저그맵 승률 52%)
안드로메다 3번(95:126) => 저그맵 승률 57%
데스티네이션 2번(133:148) => 저그맵 승률 53%
신청풍명월(9:21) => 캐저그맵 승률 70%
메두사1.1(136:189) => 저그맵 승률 58%
단장의 능선(39:56) => 저그맵 승률 59%

총 13번의 대전
저그맵 8번
캐저그맵 1번
약한저그맵 2번
개념맵 2번
토스맵 0번

김택용 6 : 이제동 7

솔직히 둘이 실력 차이가 있긴 한 듯

Basically, it says this

Shiny Milky Skin wrote:
Here are the stats of WINNER and LOSER, then game and then date
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Heartbreak Ridge | Shinhan Proleague 08-09 | 09-06-07
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Andromeda | GOM Classic Special Match | 09-03-01
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Colosseum II | GOM Classic Special Match | 09-03-01
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Medusa | GOM Classic Special Match | 09-03-01
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Destination | GOM Classic Special Match | 09-03-01
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Andromeda | GOM Classic Special Match | 09-03-01
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Neo Harmony 2.1 | Shinhan Proleague 08-09 | 09-02-28
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Destination | Shinhan Proleague 08-09 | 08-12-23
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Andromeda | Shinhan Proleague 2008 | 08-06-28
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Colosseum | Arena MSL | 08-05-01
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Othello | Arena MSL | 08-05-01
(Z)

Jaedong vs (P)

Bisu | Blue Storm | GOMTV MSL s4 | 08-01-08
(P)

Bisu vs

Jaedong | Sin Peaks of Baekdu | 2nd Kespa Cup | 07-03-10

Okay guys, lets dissect some of the maps

Sin Peaks of Baekdu (106:138) => 57% Zerg Map
Blue Strom(160:159) => "Fair" Map
Othello (23:22) => "Fair" Map
Colosseum II (74:81) => "Fair" Map, but only by a little (Zerg is 52%)
Andromeda (95:126) => 57% Zerg Map
Destination (133:148) => 53% Zerg Map
Neo Harmony (9:21) => 70% GAY ZERG MAP
Medusa (136:189) => 58% Zerg Map
Heartbreak Ridge (39:56) => 59% Zerg Map

13 Clashes
8 On Zerg Maps
1 On Gay Zerg Map
2 On Somewhat Fair Zerg Maps
2 Fair Maps
0 Toss Maps

(P)

Bisu 6 :

Jaedong 7

Goddamn Jaedong is so good. Bonjwa imo.

Thoughts and opinions on this issue?

UPDATE: New Addition!

On September 15 2009 23:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
Check this:
Sin Peaks of Baekdu Bisu 71.43% Jaedong 60%
Blue Strom Bisu 40% Jaedong 75%
Othello Bisu 0% Jaedong 100%
Colosseum II Bisu 50% Jaedong 66%
Andromeda Bisu 66% Jaedong 50%
Destination Bisu 63% Jaedong 60%
Neo Harmony Bisu 50% Jaedong 0%
Medusa Bisu 81% Jaedong 66%
Heartbreak Ridge Bisu 60% Jaedong 57%

Woot, wtf? Bisu doing better on the maps in PvZ, and still having a losing record against JD? He must be way worse than JD, right?
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NO, they are pretty even

BookTwo

1985 Posts

September 15 2009 12:51 GMT

fanboys 321 go

motbob

United States12546 Posts

September 15 2009 12:51 GMT

I think Jaedong has 3 OSLs and Bisu has zero. I also think that Jaedong's worst MU is ZvP and Bisu's best MU is PvZ.

EDIT: should be "has historically been"

alffla

Hong Kong20321 Posts

September 15 2009 12:52 GMT

jaedong bonjwa ez....

savior overcame map imbalance why cant bisu rofl noob.....

Leath

Canada1724 Posts

September 15 2009 12:55 GMT

Once again the biased statistics. You cant simply deduce that a map favors a race because it has won more times in it. There are many other factors at work.

I think Bisu is an awesome player, but that does not take credit away from Jaedong being awesome as well.

Nonetheless, I am biased too, since I am a Bisu fan and a Protoss player. I will find Bisu the best player ever just because he was the first to bring Protoss to #1 KeSPA :D

I guess deep down, both Bisu and Jaedong are awesome at killing Zergs lol So if you want to become the best, kill a lot of zergs :p

Deleted User 31060

3788 Posts

September 15 2009 13:00 GMT

On September 15 2009 21:51 BookTwo wrote:
fanboys 321 go

On September 15 2009 21:51 motbob wrote:
I think Jaedong has 3 OSLs and Bisu has zero. I also think that Jaedong's worst MU is ZvP and Bisu's best MU is PvZ.

On September 15 2009 21:52 alffla wrote:
jaedong bonjwa ez....

savior overcame map imbalance why cant bisu rofl noob.....

Yes.

nayumi

Australia6499 Posts

September 15 2009 13:03 GMT

On September 15 2009 21:51 motbob wrote:
I think Jaedong has 3 OSLs and Bisu has zero. I also think that Jaedong's worst MU is ZvP and Bisu's best MU is PvZ.

Isn't Jaedong's worst MU ZvT; and Bisu's best MU PvP? ...

kNife

Malaysia70 Posts

September 15 2009 13:04 GMT

LOL....
nothing to say..

Zinbiel

Sweden878 Posts

September 15 2009 13:04 GMT

On September 15 2009 22:03 nayumi wrote:

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Isn't Jaedong's worst MU ZvT; and Bisu's best MU PvP? ...

Every matchup that jaedong looses in is his worst, you know that...

Deleted User 31060

3788 Posts

September 15 2009 13:08 GMT

#10

individual leagues:

Jaedong 6:2 Bisu

although iono what the kespa cup is, but in any case it shows what games mattered

writer22816

United States5775 Posts

September 15 2009 13:10 GMT

#11

On September 15 2009 22:03 nayumi wrote:

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Isn't Jaedong's worst MU ZvT; and Bisu's best MU PvP? ...

You can't only look at stats now, Bisu's PvZ was always good and his PvP was only recently as good as it is now. Same goes for Jaedong's ZvT and ZvP respectively. Jaedong had like 50% ZvP in his early days.

JWD

United States12607 Posts

September 15 2009 13:14 GMT

#12

Yeah, I think overall Zergs have had it easy with the map pool in recent months. However the statistics wouldn't be nearly as off if it wasn't for Protosses playing awful against Zerg, independent of the maps.

But I have to wonder...with so many of the world's best Protosses struggling in PvZ significantly more than in their other matchups, there must be something to recent Z>>P imbalance that's more than just "Protoss players have sucked lately".

disciple

9071 Posts

September 15 2009 13:15 GMT

#13

motbob

United States12546 Posts

September 15 2009 13:16 GMT

#14

On September 15 2009 22:15 disciple wrote:
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WTF this is so random and awesome

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

September 15 2009 13:19 GMT

#15

On September 15 2009 22:03 nayumi wrote:

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Isn't Jaedong's worst MU ZvT; and Bisu's best MU PvP? ...

Well Bisu is most infamous for his PvZ but I still agree with you, he also says he is most comfortable against Zerg, but I don't think it's his best matchup.

On September 15 2009 21:55 Leath wrote:
Once again the biased statistics. You cant simply deduce that a map favors a race because it has won more times in it. There are many other factors at work.

Yeah that's true I mean if you look at how Zerg has just completely thoroughly dominated last season, and if you then look at the map pool... it's not like the map pool is so incredibly Zergloving and Protoss hating, certainly also has something to do with for example how 5/6 Dragons just decided to start playing bad.
It's not like those guys' PvT was too amazing in that time either, of course with some rare exceptions at some games, people like Stork can always start playing great out of the blue

Vasoline73

United States7848 Posts

September 15 2009 13:19 GMT

#16

Sounds like the fomos OP is a little crybaby to me

monstar123

United States516 Posts

September 15 2009 13:20 GMT

#17

On September 15 2009 21:51 motbob wrote:
I think Jaedong has 3 OSLs and Bisu has zero. I also think that Jaedong's worst MU is ZvP and Bisu's best MU is PvZ.

right now

Bisu's best mu is PvP ,everybody knows it. His PvP is like (Z)

Jaedong's zvz.

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

September 15 2009 13:20 GMT

#18

On September 15 2009 22:15 disciple wrote:

lolol wtf, did you make that?
haha

On September 15 2009 22:20 monstar123 wrote:

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right now