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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:14 Vz0 wrote: errrr you played 100 games and you were still in copper? -__________-" ! I don't think your the same "gamer" as the rest of us. User was warned for this post God the stench of elitism is rank in here! | ||
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
 ps love all these warnings keep up the good work, and good luck with your gaming OP | ||
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
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Malabyte
Norway75 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:32 Inkarnate wrote: A lot of the campaign missions consist of you defending until you have a large enough army to push out and complete the objectives, this may contribute to the fact that newer players like to play safe. I agree, the campaign is highly biased by design, towards one type of play. Naturally, this will be what people get used to. Ultimately, in order to rise in League, it's all about getting the knowledge, understanding and practice outside of the campaign - although the campaign is in no way unusable for this. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
I find it interesting to hear about the game's development, it happening in bronze isn't any less worth than diamond to me. If these standard strategies develop, then you should have a pretty nice learning path ahead of you. Practicing against the same build order a lot is always good, when you find a good counter to it you'll sky rocket out of bronze !GL Hf! | ||
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Jonray
United States37 Posts
The reason is simple. If I tried to execute the simple "core" build orders for Protoss, 5 out of 6 games I'd lose to a Zerg player with a 6 pool or a Terran with a proxy Rax right outside my base. By walling off my ramp with a gateway and a couple pylons (and a zealot or two in front of the wall), I actually have a chance to play a full game. And what I've found is that if I can negate the early all-in rush to win, then my opponent often doesn't know enough about the macro game to beat me. My win percentage has gone up quite a bit once I started this opening strategy. To be clear: I'm not asking for suggestions either. I read TL forums and watch casts most of the day at work (the joys of working on a computer service desk ... lots of dead time between trouble tickets). And my mechanics are getting better. I figure my biggest issue in not moving up more quickly is that I can only play 1-3 games a night; so it takes a while to learn how to put what I know into practice. I just wanted to give some perspective to the OP on why some of us have learned to wall off right away and why his early rushes aren't being as successful as they used to be. It's how we've learned to survive. | ||
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The_Pacifist
United States540 Posts
I'm glad that the skill floor in multiplayer is rising. It means that by the time the next ladder reset happens (or if it happens), the higher leagues will be a greater goal to work towards. Many of the people in the higher leagues now entered those leagues when most players were probably still playing single player, so it was much easier back then. It might be a different story next time. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
literally .... my actual win/loss ratio would be 75% if it was not for drops, but i dont care either way, just have fun if u dont get d/c very often i believe u will go from silver in no time straight from gold ... | ||
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JudoChopper
England148 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
No more posts about the warnings please. | ||
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JrK
United States283 Posts
As far as improving... get a practice partner from these forums (PM me if you want.. I'd be more than happy to assist) that will help you. Two people working more towards bettering themselves is always going to be more productive than two people trying to win vs each other. (Till you have the basics mastered). | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
Also is interesting to see the difference between SC1 and SC2 because ofc the SC2 lowest ranks are/was really new players (also new to RTS some time) instead of SC1 ICCup where most of the time also D- players are experienced players. I suggest to you to watch a lot of pro replays/vods and copy their style. I think that rushes and cheese will ever work especially at low ranks so try to learn all the already developed cheesy builds and improve your micro than try to make your own pimp builds which will work because the game is very new. Thx op make more ^^ GL | ||
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dafunk
France521 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:02 lololol wrote: You're going completely in the wrong direction. You should most definitely NOT be trying to optimize builds and you should most definitely NOT try to maintain a specific build regardless of circumstances. The first one is not worth it at your level, and the second one is plain bad, because you should be reacting to your opponent. If you're in bronze your errors are much more basic. You're not constatnly producing workers, you're not constantly spending your resources and you're not scouting/don't know how to respond to the enemy. Good advices. OP should follow them. Dont try to micro your units. Dont even do this in bronze. This isnt a game about micro especially in bronze league. Create workers, production buildings and units. When your base is saturated and you have 15+ units, expand. When your 2 base are saturated and you have below 500 minerals, push and win. As simple as that. Especially as a terran : you can push against towers with your siege tanks, you can defend easily with a wall-in and you can scout easily with scans. Not to brag or anything but before playing SC2 I didnt played any RTS games. I was in platinum during beta and now diamond by playing 150 games overall. I think my competitive background (I played CS) helped me a lot. Ive a lot of friends who are in top french CS teams aswell and just picked up RTS with SC2. They are already in diamond in 2-3 weeks. Starcraft 2 is a game with certain mechanics. I think playing on a high level video game teams helped us understand the basic mechanics and exploit them. Workers, buildings, units, keep your money low, energy low on CC and be as fast as possible at everything you do. Its easy to say but having these kind of background helped us reach these goals faster than you. Everytime you see a replay or do a mistake, you should not to it again, ever. Its hard to do but you should concentrate on it. Make workers, buildings, workers, units, workers, expand, workers, buildings, units, workers, units, push -> win. Dont try to micro, attack move into his base and win. If he turtles, expand more and more and more. Eventually you'll win. Dont try to cheese and work on your mechanics. Its not about the win its about improving your macro. | ||
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
On September 01 2010 21:19 Zoroth wrote: How exactly are those posts disrespectful? They simply state that certain things are true for Bronze League that aren't found at higher leagues. It has nothing to do with the OP, personally. Is it offensive to state the obvious, that Bronze League isn't a level where you'd expect a lot of skill? This is a statistical fact of life. Instead, maybe people should instead stop being so embarassed about having poor skill. I'm a crappy player myself, macro-wise. Should people be warned every time they point out that I'm a poor macro-player? It's a fact, not an attempt at insult - unless they use a language that is clearly offensive. He's giving the OP both a compliment and a useful tip, and he's being warned for it? Again, this guy is stating a neutral fact about Bronze. Most Bronze players are not very efficient, or else they wouldn't be in Bronze. It's not an insult, it's an explanation to what Bronze League actually is. I'm sorry, I just wanna know how people think. Is there some channel to use to give moderators feedback on how they handle things in this forum? I respect the rules of this forum and the moderators' words are final, but I also feel it's important to point out how ridiculous this seems. I would like to ask the owner of this website how much he moderates his own moderators, whenever they cross the line. Again, not meant as insurrection, but if individual moderators go unchecked by their peers, then that can and will have some negative effects on this website's infrastructure. Suddenly people are afraid of discussing things, I mean. The fact of the matter is that Starcraft 2 strategy is often about getting a personal reality check. Why are we not getting any better? Do people really want an answer or are we just pretending to care about it? Just think it's strange, especially since a couple of disgusting, gay-bashing posts in "Gay Starcraft Players" have gone completely unwarned. Suggestion: Maybe the webmaster could add a more democratic system with a +/- function for each post, similar to what they have at Youtube.com. A general warning might not always "hit home", because people might not always see the logic of that warn. But if forumers themselves can, plurally, give a "score" to the posts, then maybe that reflect a little more accurately how offensive the posts really are. After all, what is offensive and not can actually be highly subjective. Thanks! I agree with your post, specifically several of the people complimenting the OP and offering sound suggestions, yet they still get warned. I pointed this out and got warned for pointing out and I can only assume you will too, I don't know what's going on with the overzealous moderation in this particular thread but someone has gone warn happy it seems. (One or two were slightly rough on the front page but most quite good responses) Weird. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
I believe the meta-game in the Bronze league is as innocent as it can be compared to the other leagues that have players who have done their share of research of BOs, tactics, etc. When the game started out, I'm guessing that most Bronze league players would just rush and cheese without even knowing that they were cheesing or going all-in. Eventually players would learn that if they defend 1 or 2 pushes they would win with ease. Eventually the loyal cheesey and rushing players will alter their build so that they wouldn't fall behind so much. It must be really cute to watch Bronze players go at it lol. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On September 01 2010 22:12 abrasion wrote: I agree with your post, specifically several of the people complimenting the OP and offering sound suggestions, yet they still get warned. I pointed this out and got warned for pointing out and I can only assume you will too, I don't know what's going on with the overzealous moderation in this particular thread but someone has gone warn happy it seems. (One or two were slightly rough on the front page but most quite good responses) Weird. A rating system for comments is a brilliant idea! i seen it done in some websites. Some with better success then others but i wouldn't mind seeing tl beta test it edit-my bad i rly deserved that  User was warned for this post | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
So judging by those 2 games nah, you can still win with early aggression if you do it properly. About the "lack of mechanics" thing, everyone below Platinum has awful mechanics. 30 APM are all you need until at least platinum. Just concentrate on early harrassment and builds that force your opponents to multitask and they all will crumble. Mechanics are also extremely easy to get better at until a certain level, much easier than you'd think. If you for 3 hours a day practice a build order where you try to go as fast as possible, after a few days you will most likely 1. have clearly above 100 apm 2. be able to do a build perfectly, letting you easily cruise into at least platinum. Most people just don't bother, because they think that they won't learn, or mechanics are things some people have or some don't or whatever. My friend was an awful SCBW player who didn't manage to stay even at D- and lost 95% of all his games and was just really bad. In SC2 he was placed in silver and is now in the Gold league and does things correctly now. He's been improving really fast. I'm not sure why that is, but at least he's been listening to my advice... He had about 20-30 APM in SCBW but now that he's tried to improve it in SC2 his APM is around 80 in every game and that's getting him along just fine. You can improve your mechanics really easily if you put effort into it. During the course of about 2 months I improved my SCBW APM from 80-100 to 220 by just playing without playing to win, but rather playing to do everything as fast as possible. EDIT: Huh, if you're in the Bronze league and not even aiming/trying to get better, is this seriously the correct forum | ||
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Scholar
United States7 Posts
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
Embarrassingly, I got rolled by a silver terran last night who pulled off a particularly nasty 3 rax timing push which I didn't quite read until too late. (I saw 2 raxes but the third was really late). I have to say my experience in diamond that the level of play has increased a lot in the month since release. It's not quite what it was in the beta, but it's getting there. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
On September 01 2010 18:04 Manifesto7 wrote: If you have a problem or question about the way I mod, PM me or make a thread in website feedback. Do not derail the thread. Not reading the thread is harmful to your posting health. I'm going to lock the thread now to save stupid people from themselves. Unfortunately, I suspect it is like using duct tape on a leaky dam, you are all going to get washed away at some point. | ||
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