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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
February 24 2012 18:27 GMT
#18921
hm... i was just reading about those article about furmark not being good for benchmarking too. my bad.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Shirolol
Profile Joined April 2010
England504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 18:33:26
February 24 2012 18:31 GMT
#18922
Hi there! So it's been a good 4 years since I bought this PC and things are getting a bit slow to say the least, hope someone can lend me some advice on a decent build.

What is your budget?

About £7-800 ($1100-1300ish) including monitor!

What is your resolution?

1920 x 1080 (I would prefer a 27" monitor but I have heard some people talk about the pixel sizing being a problem or something? Not too sure about this and would love some input!)

What are you using it for?

Hardcore gaming.

What is your upgrade cycle?

Well my last 2 pcs have lasted a good few years so i'd hope this could last at least 3 or so.

When do you plan on building it?

Within the next few weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No probably not, maybe a safe 5-10% or something at some point.

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes, windows 7 home premium.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

Online (Was planning on getting the parts from ebuyer), I live in England.

Things I can salvage from this PC are a 650W corsair power supply, case, and 1tb harddrive I plan to reformat/wipe clean and put win7 on. I was also thinking of getting an SSD alongside my old HD for just my games but am unsure on what size etc so any help there would be great also.

Cheers!
Korean Netizen wrote: My ears died from the static and the music and my eyes died from the depressing gameplay and bad observer.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 18:39:43
February 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#18923
Its your choice of 40A, 48A, or 54A on the 12V rail. All 3 of those seem to be at a good price.

But SLI for 560Ti's is not a smart choice. Generally we only Multi GPU with flagship models and 560ti is not a flagship GPU. Thats why the High Current gamer is a good deal.

But there might be another option I dont know about. SkyR is from Canada so I assume he will knock this one out of the park when he gets around.

Honestly rather than double 560ti's I would rather see you invest in a single 7950. You can use the High Current Gamer with a 7950 anyway. I think the 7950 draws less than the 560ti to boot >.> Can't remember though.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 24 2012 20:42 GMT
#18924
On February 24 2012 22:46 TheFrenchman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi TL again!
I'm building my computer and now and I have a good deal (I think) on corsair power supply. I want to buy local because I don't want my stuff to get shipped since I need it soon. So the power supply would be for a i5-2500k that will be a bit overclocked for now, and gtx 560 ti (maybe evga superclocked). I think 600W would be more than enough for now, but maybe for later it would be useful (SLI).

So my deals aret these :

Corsair GS600W:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_441&item_id=032194

Corsair TX650m :
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_443&item_id=040598

Antec HCG-520W:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_441&item_id=033351

I know there is a 20$ difference between the 2 Corsair, but is the modular worth it since I have a 300R Corsair case which is a mid tower ?

Anyway, thank TL and feel free to check is there is any other


Corsair TXM is semi modular and most semi modular units are sort of stupid. The only cables that are modular on that unit are the two PCIe connectors and two strands of SATA. But I guess it doesn't matter in your case if you're doing SLI since you'll need to use molex to PCIe adapters.

If you want a semi-modular unit than the NZXT Hale82 650 is much better for $90 ($60 after mail in rebate): http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=042104 . It's based on the Seasonic AT platform which is the same platform the Corsair TXv2 uses. It comes with four PCIe connectors (so you won't have to use an adapter like you would have to on the Corsair GS and Corsair TXM) and all the molex / SATA cables are modular.
NoSlack
Profile Joined November 2010
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 22:45:39
February 24 2012 22:43 GMT
#18925
What is your budget? $3000

What is your resolution? Whatever is good for dual 24" monitors. Better than 1080.

What are you using it for? Mostly Gaming. I play any/all sorts of games. If they sell it on steam I may download it. I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to games . I also like to stream.

What is your upgrade cycle? 1-2 years? Not sure really...

When do you plan on building it? Ordering parts mid-March for end of March build.

Do you plan on overclocking? Yes

Do you need an Operating System? Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think it's necessary. Is it?

Where are you buying your parts from? Online shipped to Hawaii. We have a Best Buy on island that may work for some stuff.


I would like a system that can run tomorrow's games on max without an issue. This is a gift for myself so I don't mind splurging a little. I always buy myself something nice when I get back from a deployment, so I'm getting this and some scuba gear . I literally play all sorts of games, from RTS to FPS and MMORPG. What I'm playing today may not be what I'm playing tomorrow.

I will be purchasing everything from the desk to the computer, monitors, mouse, mousepad, keyboard, hell even a new chair. Also the budget is flexible.

Thanks for the help TL!

Here's the list. If I am overlooking something please let me know. I will update this with your suggestions as the subject matter experts.
+ Show Spoiler +

CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564
Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8R
GPU - EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Keyboard - Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder Black Edition RZ01-00152400-R3M1 Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3500 dpi Mouse
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad
Monitors - 2x ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1


Thoughts?
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
February 24 2012 22:48 GMT
#18926
On February 25 2012 07:43 NoSlack wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget? $3000

What is your resolution? Whatever is good for dual 24" monitors. Better than 1080.

What are you using it for? Mostly Gaming. I play any/all sorts of games. If they sell it on steam I may download it. I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to games . I also like to stream.

What is your upgrade cycle? 1-2 years? Not sure really...

When do you plan on building it? Ordering parts mid-March for end of March build.

Do you plan on overclocking? Yes

Do you need an Operating System? Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think it's necessary. Is it?

Where are you buying your parts from? Online shipped to Hawaii. We have a Best Buy on island that may work for some stuff.


I would like a system that can run tomorrow's games on max without an issue. This is a gift for myself so I don't mind splurging a little. I always buy myself something nice when I get back from a deployment, so I'm getting this and some scuba gear . I literally play all sorts of games, from RTS to FPS and MMORPG. What I'm playing today may not be what I'm playing tomorrow.

I will be purchasing everything from the desk to the computer, monitors, mouse, mousepad, keyboard, hell even a new chair. Also the budget is flexible.

Thanks for the help TL!

Here's the list. If I am overlooking something please let me know. I will update this with your suggestions as the subject matter experts.
+ Show Spoiler +

CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564
Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8R
GPU - EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Keyboard - Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder Black Edition RZ01-00152400-R3M1 Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3500 dpi Mouse
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad
Monitors - 2x ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1


Thoughts?


You wanted top of the line
asus maximus extreme, 2600k

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.824945

8gb 4x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231493

capstone 550w gold rated
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182068

radeon 7970
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131452

2x ocz agility 3 60gb each, $89 onsale $79.99 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227725

1.5tb seagate green 5900rpm hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148725

cooler master HAF 932
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119213

dvd drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

2x asus monitors 24'
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153

RK-9000re keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201044

G9x mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261

corsair h100 water block system
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017

Rosewill High Back leather chair
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16846202297

Windows 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992

$2639 before shipping
Ashes
Profile Joined January 2011
United States362 Posts
February 24 2012 22:49 GMT
#18927
With that motherboard, you wont be able to overlock your i7.. you need a P67 or Z68(if you plan to use internal gfx incase your ext fails)..and $3000 is too high. you sure you want to invest so much money into a computer????
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 22:57:10
February 24 2012 22:53 GMT
#18928
you know shits hardcore when they want* a chair.
<3 Kim Taeyeon
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
February 24 2012 22:54 GMT
#18929
On February 25 2012 07:49 Ashes wrote:
With that motherboard, you wont be able to overlock your i7.. you need a P67 or Z68(if you plan to use internal gfx incase your ext fails)..and $3000 is too high. you sure you want to invest so much money into a computer????

hes getting 2 monitors/ a chair, and all peripherals. plus he said "Splurge" which means top of the line
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 24 2012 22:56 GMT
#18930
This is what I posted in your standalone thread that got locked:


Hm, I'm not quite sure about shipping costs to Hawaii, but with $3000 budget I'm sure it will be all fine.

One thing to consider is that Nvidia is releasing its next generation of graphics cards soon, like in the next month or two, and AMD is also putting out the HD 78xx series probably in that time frame. There may be some price drops incoming or, in the very least, substantial improvements in performance per watt for the new stuff. Intel is launching new processors in early April, but expect similar pricing for a small performance improvement (no more than say 10% or so, depending).

Likely some kind of sensible budget is something along like:
CPU - $210 (overclockable Intel Core i5, would be i5-2500k now or i5-3570k for the new generation)
Heatsink - $25-75, no more than about $40 for something that does very well at low noise for these processors
GPU - $250-500 or so for a single graphics card
Motherboard - $100-120, a non-lowest-end but not high-end socket 1155 motherboard that lets you overclock the CPU
RAM - $35 or so (two sticks of DDR3 RAM, 4GB each)
SSD - $170 or so (128GB or so capacity)
Hard drive - as much as you need, say $80-100 or so; prices are still inflated these days because of shortages
Case - $50-120 depending on what you like
Power supply - $70 or so to get something very good

That way you can get a very nice computer that can satisfy your performance requirements without having wasted a lot of money there. Then you can spend the bucks on the things that matter like the monitor, keyboard, mouse, chair, desk, etc. (speakers or headphones too?)


IMHO just $400 on two monitors is laughable for $3000 total expense. Also at that kind of price, why buy two low-end SandForce drives? You have money so you don't need to muck with the slowest and least-reliable current-gen SSDs.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 23:06:34
February 24 2012 22:59 GMT
#18931
On February 25 2012 07:43 NoSlack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget? $3000

What is your resolution? Whatever is good for dual 24" monitors. Better than 1080.

What are you using it for? Mostly Gaming. I play any/all sorts of games. If they sell it on steam I may download it. I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to games . I also like to stream.

What is your upgrade cycle? 1-2 years? Not sure really...

When do you plan on building it? Ordering parts mid-March for end of March build.

Do you plan on overclocking? Yes

Do you need an Operating System? Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think it's necessary. Is it?

Where are you buying your parts from? Online shipped to Hawaii. We have a Best Buy on island that may work for some stuff.


I would like a system that can run tomorrow's games on max without an issue. This is a gift for myself so I don't mind splurging a little. I always buy myself something nice when I get back from a deployment, so I'm getting this and some scuba gear . I literally play all sorts of games, from RTS to FPS and MMORPG. What I'm playing today may not be what I'm playing tomorrow.

I will be purchasing everything from the desk to the computer, monitors, mouse, mousepad, keyboard, hell even a new chair. Also the budget is flexible.

Thanks for the help TL!

Here's the list. If I am overlooking something please let me know. I will update this with your suggestions as the subject matter experts.
+ Show Spoiler +

CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564
Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8R
GPU - EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Keyboard - Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder Black Edition RZ01-00152400-R3M1 Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3500 dpi Mouse
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad
Monitors - 2x ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1


Thoughts?


There are like billions of ways to allocate this budget but the majority of the budget should not be spent on the configuration.

Monitors, see this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308280 You can get a 120Hz monitor such as the BenQ XL2420 or Samsung S23A700D for your primary monitor (both are around $400) and use a Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM for your secondary (around $250). Or you can just get two of the same monitors if you want a matching pair. VESA mounting is also something that can be considered. Monitors alone should cost a minimum of $600.

Mechanical keyboards such as a Filco, Das, Leopold, Coolermaster Storm, Corsair K, and so on is about $100. A mouse and mousepad should be about $100.

Desks and chairs should be bought from your local Craigslist or local business liquidation sale. If you want to buy brand new than it's going to cost a lot... Chairs such as the Steelcase Leap and Herman Miller Aeron cost close to $1000 retail and desks can be just as expensive. If you want a somewhat cheap desk than the Ikea Galant is about $200 and just about any executive chair for $200 will do.

That's basically $2000 gone already. Of course you can just buy cheap stuff if you don't value comfort and quality.

Running games on max involves doing SLI / CrossfireX unless you're happy with certain games dropping to single digits and other games dropping into the 30s. I'm not sure what is with people's obsession in running games on max since you probably can't even tell the difference between high and ultra in most games and the difference between 8x AA and 4x AA.



Moving onto the components you selected for the configuration itself.

Judging by your component selection, you don't value anything but the tower. It's really a shame to pair such a nice configuration with shitty monitors.

Crucial M4 is a good choice since it's $150 for 128gb.

1600MHz cas8 memory is a big waste of money. The difference between cas9 and cas8 is less than 1 FPS yet the price difference between the two is up to $20 and more. You can see memory timings and frequency explored in these articles:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html

Corsair Vengeance is also not a good choice as their heatspreaders are very tall and won't be able to clear some heatsinks.

H67 motherboards cannot overclock. Overclocking requires a P67 or Z68 motherboard such as an Asrock P67 Pro3. If you intend to do SLI than you need a SLI capable motherboard such as a MSI P67 / Z68 G series board, Asrock Z68 Extreme series board, or ASUS P8P67 Pro or P8Z68-V.

GTX 580 is outdated. A Radeon HD7970 or 7950 are both a much better choice than the GTX 580, you can see reviews of them in the articles below, comparing the two cards to GTX 580 and various others:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5476/amd-radeon-7950-review

A 1.5TB Caviar Black is not necessary since all the software that require speed will be on your SSD. You are just using the HDD for secondary software and storage of media / documents / and so on. If you're getting the Caviar Black for the five year warranty than meh...



Boblhead's recommendations are sort of stupid.

OCZ Agility 3 sucks in every regard except for the fact that it's faster than a HDD.

Buying TN monitors for $200 is stupid since Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM can often be had for the same price.

Buying 4x2gb memory is idiotic. You're putting more stress on the IMC and you lose out on resale value and expandability.

I would not be comfortable running an overclocked 2600k and overclocked 7970 CrossfireX configuration on a Capstone 550w...

A full tower case is not necessary.
NoSlack
Profile Joined November 2010
United States112 Posts
February 24 2012 23:02 GMT
#18932
On February 25 2012 07:49 Ashes wrote:
With that motherboard, you wont be able to overlock your i7.. you need a P67 or Z68(if you plan to use internal gfx incase your ext fails)..and $3000 is too high. you sure you want to invest so much money into a computer????


Do I want to? I dunno. It asked for a budget.

I don't HAVE to spend 3k on a PC, no.

Hell after my last deployment I bought a motorcycle for $10,200 cash. The one before that I bought $3000 worth of Crown Royal . It's tradition to buy something nice when I get home, but no it doesn't have to be $3000 lol.
NoSlack
Profile Joined November 2010
United States112 Posts
February 24 2012 23:10 GMT
#18933
On February 25 2012 07:59 skyR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 25 2012 07:43 NoSlack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
What is your budget? $3000

What is your resolution? Whatever is good for dual 24" monitors. Better than 1080.

What are you using it for? Mostly Gaming. I play any/all sorts of games. If they sell it on steam I may download it. I'm an impulse buyer when it comes to games . I also like to stream.

What is your upgrade cycle? 1-2 years? Not sure really...

When do you plan on building it? Ordering parts mid-March for end of March build.

Do you plan on overclocking? Yes

Do you need an Operating System? Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I don't think it's necessary. Is it?

Where are you buying your parts from? Online shipped to Hawaii. We have a Best Buy on island that may work for some stuff.


I would like a system that can run tomorrow's games on max without an issue. This is a gift for myself so I don't mind splurging a little. I always buy myself something nice when I get back from a deployment, so I'm getting this and some scuba gear . I literally play all sorts of games, from RTS to FPS and MMORPG. What I'm playing today may not be what I'm playing tomorrow.

I will be purchasing everything from the desk to the computer, monitors, mouse, mousepad, keyboard, hell even a new chair. Also the budget is flexible.

Thanks for the help TL!

Here's the list. If I am overlooking something please let me know. I will update this with your suggestions as the subject matter experts.
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CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564
Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8R
GPU - EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS600 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Keyboard - Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder Black Edition RZ01-00152400-R3M1 Black 5 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical 3500 dpi Mouse
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad
Monitors - 2x ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" 2ms HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1


Thoughts?


There are like billions of ways to allocate this budget but the majority of the budget should not be spent on the configuration.

Monitors, see this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308280 You can get a 120Hz monitor such as the BenQ XL2420 or Samsung S23A700D for your primary monitor (both are around $400) and use a Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM for your secondary (around $250). Or you can just get two of the same monitors if you want a matching pair. VESA mounting is also something that can be considered. Monitors alone should cost a minimum of $600.

Mechanical keyboards such as a Filco, Das, Leopold, Coolermaster Storm, Corsair K, and so on is about $100. A mouse and mousepad should be about $100.

Desks and chairs should be bought from your local Craigslist or local business liquidation sale. If you want to buy brand new than it's going to cost a lot... Chairs such as the Steelcase Leap and Herman Miller Aeron cost close to $1000 retail and desks can be just as expensive. If you want a somewhat cheap desk than the Ikea Galant is about $200 and just about any executive chair for $200 will do.

That's basically $2000 gone already. Of course you can just buy cheap stuff if you don't value comfort and quality.

Running games on max involves doing SLI / CrossfireX unless you're happy with certain games dropping to single digits and other games dropping into the 30s. I'm not sure what is with people's obsession in running games on max since you probably can't even tell the difference between high and ultra in most games and the difference between 8x AA and 4x AA.



Moving onto the components you selected for the configuration itself.

Judging by your component selection, you don't value anything but the tower. It's really a shame to pair such a nice configuration with shitty monitors.

Crucial M4 is a good choice since it's $150 for 128gb.

1600MHz cas8 memory is a big waste of money. The difference between cas9 and cas8 is less than 1 FPS yet the price difference between the two is up to $20 and more. You can see memory timings and frequency explored in these articles:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html

Corsair Vengeance is also not a good choice as their heatspreaders are very tall and won't be able to clear some heatsinks.

H67 motherboards cannot overclock. Overclocking requires a P67 or Z68 motherboard such as an Asrock P67 Pro3. If you intend to do SLI than you need a SLI capable motherboard such as a MSI P67 / Z68 G series board, Asrock Z68 Extreme series board, or ASUS P8P67 Pro or P8Z68-V.

GTX 580 is outdated. A Radeon HD7970 or 7950 are both a much better choice than the GTX 580, you can see reviews of them in the articles below, comparing the two cards to GTX 580 and various others:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5476/amd-radeon-7950-review

A 1.5TB Caviar Black is not necessary since all the software that require speed will be on your SSD. You are just using the HDD for secondary software and storage of media / documents / and so on. If you're getting the Caviar Black for the five year warranty than meh...



Boblhead's recommendations are sort of stupid.

OCZ Agility 3 sucks in every regard except for the fact that it's faster than a HDD.

Buying TN monitors for $200 is stupid since Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM can often be had for the same price.

Buying 4x2gb memory is idiotic. You're putting more stress on the IMC and you lose out on resale value and expandability.

I would not be comfortable running an overclocked 2600k and overclocked 7970 CrossfireX configuration on a Capstone 550w...

A full tower case is not necessary.


Great thanks for the info. You assume I know more than I do about this. I haven't built a computer in 10 years. Those items I picked because I thought they were good, but I don't know jack about them to be honest. That's why I'm here.

Thanks for the feedback, will update in a few minutes.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
February 25 2012 00:01 GMT
#18934
He's just being unnecessarily harsh. The agility 3 doesn't suck, it almost matches the other sandforce 2 units in performance while being drastically cheaper. Probably most value per dollar disk today.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2012 00:14 GMT
#18935
Almost matches... it's about half the speed of Vertex 3. If you're going Sandforce I'd just go with Corsair force GT myself, or Force3 to match agility3.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
February 25 2012 00:41 GMT
#18936
On February 25 2012 09:14 Shikyo wrote:
Almost matches... it's about half the speed of Vertex 3. If you're going Sandforce I'd just go with Corsair force GT myself, or Force3 to match agility3.


Maybe I made a slight understatement, but honestly, I've ran computers with both Corsair Force 3 and Agility 3, and it's not a noticeable difference. The price difference of 40$ (at least here) is noticeable though...
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
NoSlack
Profile Joined November 2010
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 01:37:55
February 25 2012 00:45 GMT
#18937
Refined Build:
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CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 [$330]
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio [$55]
Mobo - ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 [$270]
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) [$45]
GPU - GIGABYTE GV-R797OC-3GD Radeon HD 7970 [$610]
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 [$110]
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case [$200]
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) [$150]
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM [$180]
Keyboard - Cooler Master CM Storm [$80]
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder [$60]
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad [$22]
Monitors - 2x BenQ 2420 [$700]
TOTAL: $2810 - Newegg prices.


As far as the case goes I want a full tower for ease of build, cooling, and looks. The 1.5 TB HD looks like the best option for me. Yes the warranty is nice, and I've always used WD drives back when I used to build. Also, you say the vengeance memory is too big, but it's got great reviews. Is it really going to be too big for me to put this rig together? If it is going to be in the way, which memory should I get instead?

Changes?

On February 25 2012 07:53 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
you know shits hardcore when they want* a chair.


It just got real around here lol. I'll get the furniture on my own .
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 25 2012 01:36 GMT
#18938
I'm pretty sure you can get the 7970 for like 550$ in some places, can't you?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 02:50:43
February 25 2012 01:38 GMT
#18939
On February 25 2012 09:45 NoSlack wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Refined Build:
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CPU - Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 [$330]
Heatsink - Thermaltake Frio [$55]
Mobo - ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 [$270]
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) [$45]
GPU - GIGABYTE GV-R797OC-3GD Radeon HD 7970 [$610]
PSU - CORSAIR Gaming Series GS700 [$110]
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case [$200]
SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) [$150]
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1502FAEX 1.5TB 7200 RPM [$180]
Keyboard - Cooler Master CM Storm [$80]
Mouse - RAZER DeathAdder [$60]
Mousepad - XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Mouse Pad [$22]
Monitors - 2x BenQ 2420 [$700]
TOTAL: $2810


As far as the case goes I want a full tower for ease of build, cooling, and looks. The 1.5 TB HD looks like the best option for me. Yes the warranty is nice, and I've always used WD drives back when I used to build. Also, you say the vengeance memory is too big, but it's got great reviews. Is it really going to be too big for me to put this rig together? If it is going to be in the way, which memory should I get instead?

Changes?

On February 25 2012 07:53 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
you know shits hardcore when they want* a chair.


It just got real around here lol. I'll get the furniture on my own .


If you don't know what you're doing, you don't need a flagship board such as an Extreme7. The more expensive boards just comes with better chipsets, more phases, more connectivity, and more convenience for debugging. An P8Z68-V GEN3 is about $180: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131792 and is already overkill.

If you're going to spend so much on a heatsink, you might as well just buy a Noctua NH-D14 for $30 more which you'll keep forever: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608024 A six year warranty, free mounting kits for life, easy mounting, and is one of the very best heatsinks available.

Corsair Vengeance is 52mm tall. Most (all) high-end tower heatsinks don't have clearance for this. You'd want low profile heatspreaders or heatspreaders that don't have a ridiculously tall design such as GSkill Ripjaws / Sniper / Ares, or Corsair Vengeance Low-Profile.

Corsair GS is somewhat a budget unit, it really shouldn't belong in a high-end build. With a bottom mounted power supply in a full tower, you have to ensure that the power supply cables are long enough to reach the top of the case or else you will have to buy extensions. If you're selecting a full tower for convenience than you should really only consider the higher end units that are fully modular such as a Seasonic X, Seasonic Platinum, and Corsair AX.

Most of the mid-tower cases are already oversized and are very easy to work in so I still don't think a full tower is necessary. Full tower is only really necessary for custom loop, a dozen HDDs, or tri/quad SLI / CrossfireX configurations.

Make sure you do research ( http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide ) on the various cherry switches as the Coolermaster Storm Quickfire comes in multiple variants and Newegg only has the blue switch variant. You may not like it if you're a gamer.

BenQ XL2420 refers to the XL2420T which isn't available on Newegg or Amazon: http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor/xl2420t and I don't think you have two of them for $700 since it supposedly has a MSRP of $550 (a Canadian retailer has it listed for $400).
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
February 25 2012 02:33 GMT
#18940
Hi guise, I'm planning on upgrading my system, specifically CPU+GPU. My current specs, which is a fresh build I got in 09/2009 so this would be my first upgrade:
Mobo - ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3/ATX
CPU - AMD Athlon II X2 250
RAM - 4GB DDR3-1333
GPU - Sapphire HD 4850 1GB GDDR3
Power - Enermax Pro82+ 425W

First things first, my budget will be around 300€ (50€+/-) and I plan on buying rather sooner then later, so probably next month, latest in april. I'll be gaming hardcore with this, no fancy stuff like video editing or streaming. Also, I'll buy a new 27" monitor, to get rid of this tiny 19" piece of shit I'm using right now, so my resolution will be 1920 x 1080. I have already laid my eyes on a few parts but I want to have some other opinions before I will set those decisions in stone:

Sapphire HD6870 1G GDDR5
AMD Phenom II X4 980 Black Edition

Combined going for 300€ this seems at least financially a fine choice for me, as well as both parts should be able to run most of the new stuff smoothly. I honestly don't care for maxed out AA, tesselation and other sick gfx stuff, I just want my system being able of running stuff 2yrs ahead in time smoothly. Now I'm by no means a hardware expert, so one of the most troubling questions for me is, will my adapter with 425W be enough or will I have to get a new one? If somebody from Germany reads this, I'll get the stuff from either hardwareversand or mindfactory.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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