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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Sid(TB)
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States314 Posts
February 23 2012 15:08 GMT
#18881
thanks for the info alryk ill wait on some more feed back before i decide, im tryin to look stuff up and learn about it my self as well ;p i only find this stuff out when i wanna buy something hah, other wize i go years with out looking at a single computer part xD
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
February 23 2012 15:31 GMT
#18882
On February 23 2012 23:58 Sid(TB) wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121474

using this one as an example of a 6770, it says its a 128 bit interface, my current one is 384 bit, although the 6770 uses ddr5 instead of 3. also the 6770 has 800 stream processors, where mine only has 128. i really dont know what alot of stuff means , so im wondering how big of an upgrade would the 6770 be?

also as a side question, it says the 6770 needs pci express 2.1, where as my mother board only has 2.0 slots, is the 6770 even possible for me?


The number of bits indicates the width of the memory interface. The type of memory (GDDR3, GDDR5) is just an indication of which generation of memory is being used. Usually newer generations support higher clockspeeds and extra functionality. The stream processors are the heart of the graphics card, they're running the computations. Old graphics cards often had dedicated units for different tasks, but the last years the trend has been to run all computational tasks on a large number of programmable processors, the so-called stream processors. Generally more is better, but it is impossible to directly compare numbers between different generations or brands of GPUs.

As for the more practical matter: The 6770 will be roughly twice as fast as the 8800 GTX from what I could find with a quick Google search. The precise benefits will strongly depend on all kinds of other circumstances such as the rest of your hardware, the game being played, etc... In addition, the 6770 provides support for features that the 8800 GTX simply doesn't handle, like all the DirectX 11 stuff.
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Sid(TB)
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States314 Posts
February 23 2012 15:33 GMT
#18883
thanks a bunch rannasha
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Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
February 23 2012 15:34 GMT
#18884
an hd6770 is barely an upgrade on a gtx 8800, you should wait until you have more money to spend on a card, none with your actual budget would be a real imrpovement

then again, for what games would this card be?
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alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
February 23 2012 15:49 GMT
#18885
What graphics settings could a non-overclocked 2500k and a radeon 6850 run sc2 on at 1080p resolution? Would it make it to ultra with decent framerates in the lategame, or just high? Would spending $20 more for a 6870 make a difference?



Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
February 23 2012 15:54 GMT
#18886
On February 24 2012 00:49 alQahira wrote:
What graphics settings could a non-overclocked 2500k and a radeon 6850 run sc2 on at 1080p resolution? Would it make it to ultra with decent framerates in the lategame, or just high? Would spending $20 more for a 6870 make a difference?





hd6850 will max sc2 np, the only bottleneck your system will have will be the i5 eventually in large scale battles in multiplayer
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 23 2012 17:47 GMT
#18887
On February 24 2012 00:54 Rachnar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 00:49 alQahira wrote:
What graphics settings could a non-overclocked 2500k and a radeon 6850 run sc2 on at 1080p resolution? Would it make it to ultra with decent framerates in the lategame, or just high? Would spending $20 more for a 6870 make a difference?





hd6850 will max sc2 np, the only bottleneck your system will have will be the i5 eventually in large scale battles in multiplayer


Not for basic 1v1 though I imagine, it should handle something like that easily no?
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Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 23 2012 17:51 GMT
#18888
On February 24 2012 02:47 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 00:54 Rachnar wrote:
On February 24 2012 00:49 alQahira wrote:
What graphics settings could a non-overclocked 2500k and a radeon 6850 run sc2 on at 1080p resolution? Would it make it to ultra with decent framerates in the lategame, or just high? Would spending $20 more for a 6870 make a difference?





hd6850 will max sc2 np, the only bottleneck your system will have will be the i5 eventually in large scale battles in multiplayer


Not for basic 1v1 though I imagine, it should handle something like that easily no?

Yes, but when it gets into late game battles you will receive some frame drops, as to be expected.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 23 2012 19:14 GMT
#18889
Yeah but it would still be easily playable I think.

Its annoying when you can't tell someone they're wrong because they grade your physics tests lol. (Recommending antec 300/900/1200 cases because they're antec and saying antec psu is awful) >…>
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
February 23 2012 19:18 GMT
#18890
On February 24 2012 04:14 Alryk wrote:
Yeah but it would still be easily playable I think.

Its annoying when you can't tell someone they're wrong because they grade your physics tests lol. (Recommending antec 300/900/1200 cases because they're antec and saying antec psu is awful) >…>


Sounds like your teacher is living in the past. That case lineup used to be better compared to what was available some time ago... and some of antec's older PSU's were bad, used bad caps I believe. Myrmidon knows better I think.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 23 2012 19:41 GMT
#18891
Yeah, it's the well-known Fuhjyyu capacitors in the CWT-made Antec True Power lineups and many others back in the day. It's not like they all failed in a few months, but apparently a lot of them sure do tend to die quickly (with more heat of course, like anything else).

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=32
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2474
http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2022
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 23 2012 20:03 GMT
#18892
Yeah that's basically what he said. He seems to be outdated in stuff like that, I'm trying to think of a way to tell him without getting him mad haha.he's not giving them BAD stuff, its just dated like you said.

The psu issue isn't awful, I'm just going with the corsair cx because for some reason he likes them. But he's suggesting 650+W for a 6850 X.X cause of all the fans and what not. Oh well, haha.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 23 2012 20:19 GMT
#18893
A 6850 uses less than 100w ( http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/radeon-hd6870-hd6850_9.html ) and a non overclocked 2500 uses around 60w. Fans and everything else use like nothing. You can use a wattmeter if you don't believe xbit or the other major reviewers.
Vagrant
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada8 Posts
February 23 2012 20:21 GMT
#18894
Hello, I was looking for some advice on getting an SSD, was looking for a 128GB i've heard people like the Crucial M4 models but i'm kinda budget was hoping for some input and recommendations, thank you. I don't know if processors have much to do with what type would be good to get but i use an i5 2500k.
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 23 2012 20:58 GMT
#18895
Budget and ssd don't really mix xD. That said, I think crucial m4 and plexor m3 are your best bet.

Yeah, I said that to him, but he's one of the stubborn people that insists on certain things

What is the TDP a measurement of? Is it like maximum possible load?
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
February 23 2012 21:11 GMT
#18896
On February 24 2012 05:58 Alryk wrote:

What is the TDP a measurement of? Is it like maximum possible load?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

"...the maximum amount of power the cooling system in a computer is required to dissipate"

Usually the manufacturer-given value is very accurate as an upper limit of the chip's power consumption at stock settings.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 23 2012 21:27 GMT
#18897
On February 24 2012 05:21 Vagrant wrote:
Hello, I was looking for some advice on getting an SSD, was looking for a 128GB i've heard people like the Crucial M4 models but i'm kinda budget was hoping for some input and recommendations, thank you. I don't know if processors have much to do with what type would be good to get but i use an i5 2500k.


Samsung 830 for $180 is your best option right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147134 It's faster than a Crucial M4 and comes with more accessories so for $5 more, it's sort of a no brainer.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
February 23 2012 21:39 GMT
#18898
On February 24 2012 00:03 Alryk wrote:
Pci is backwards compatible etc. So yes you can use it.

The memory bit isn't really what you look at. I would imagine the 6770 is a decent upgrade but I'm not sure, since I didn't even know what a gpu was back five years ago or whatever xD, so you will need to wait on skyr or myrmidon or medrea. Again if I had to guess, it should at least be an upgrade


Yes backwards compatible but I believe 6770's are all, or almost all 2.1 devices and are not compatible with 1.x PCI-e motherboards that dont have a BIOS update.

I would check and make sure that my motherboard is NOT 1.0 and it seems like he did do that.

3.0 GPU will have full backwards and forwards compatibility. Also 2.0 is also full forward and backward, even to 1.0

But 2.1 GPU's are the oddball here and some 5xxx series and most if not all 6xxx are 2.1
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 23 2012 22:39 GMT
#18899
On February 24 2012 06:39 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 00:03 Alryk wrote:
Pci is backwards compatible etc. So yes you can use it.

The memory bit isn't really what you look at. I would imagine the 6770 is a decent upgrade but I'm not sure, since I didn't even know what a gpu was back five years ago or whatever xD, so you will need to wait on skyr or myrmidon or medrea. Again if I had to guess, it should at least be an upgrade


Yes backwards compatible but I believe 6770's are all, or almost all 2.1 devices and are not compatible with 1.x PCI-e motherboards that dont have a BIOS update.

I would check and make sure that my motherboard is NOT 1.0 and it seems like he did do that.

3.0 GPU will have full backwards and forwards compatibility. Also 2.0 is also full forward and backward, even to 1.0

But 2.1 GPU's are the oddball here and some 5xxx series and most if not all 6xxx are 2.1



More things I didn't know. Are the 3.0 gpu's the 7xxx series and the 6xx coming out?
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 23:13:57
February 23 2012 22:41 GMT
#18900
On February 24 2012 07:39 Alryk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 06:39 Medrea wrote:
On February 24 2012 00:03 Alryk wrote:
Pci is backwards compatible etc. So yes you can use it.

The memory bit isn't really what you look at. I would imagine the 6770 is a decent upgrade but I'm not sure, since I didn't even know what a gpu was back five years ago or whatever xD, so you will need to wait on skyr or myrmidon or medrea. Again if I had to guess, it should at least be an upgrade


Yes backwards compatible but I believe 6770's are all, or almost all 2.1 devices and are not compatible with 1.x PCI-e motherboards that dont have a BIOS update.

I would check and make sure that my motherboard is NOT 1.0 and it seems like he did do that.

3.0 GPU will have full backwards and forwards compatibility. Also 2.0 is also full forward and backward, even to 1.0

But 2.1 GPU's are the oddball here and some 5xxx series and most if not all 6xxx are 2.1



More things I didn't know. Are the 3.0 gpu's the 7xxx series and the 6xx coming out?


Yeah they should all be 3.0

Also rumors are that nVidia is skipping 6xx and going directly to 7xx to maintain parity with ATI/AMD

A name only change of course. But hella confusing to the consumers nonetheless.
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