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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 07 2013 14:35 GMT
#1821
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 07 2013 14:35 GMT
#1822
On October 07 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lynch the Risen.

So who dies tonight? Im thinking Clarity or marv.


Duh
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 14:40 GMT
#1823
On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.

Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch?
Come on HF, work with me.
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 07 2013 14:41 GMT
#1824
On October 07 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.

Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch?
Come on HF, work with me.


why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 14:50 GMT
#1825
On October 07 2013 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.

Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch?
Come on HF, work with me.


why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me

Because its an exercise to get you to think about Risen being scum Rayn didnt get lynched/was town.
Its night. Just do it.
No gg, No skill.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
October 07 2013 15:42 GMT
#1826
On October 07 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.

Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch?
Come on HF, work with me.


why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me

Because its an exercise to get you to think about Risen being scum Rayn didnt get lynched/was town.
Its night. Just do it.


But he was lynched and rayn was scum so what you are asking is somewhat silly.

Risen has been consistent in his case making and style. He makes long winded cases and makes them based off confirmation biased reads. He made his second case on rayn despite being told to improve on making cases. A lot of unnecessary effort went into it and thus when he was shot down again he felt dejected, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything.

The point you make about not pushing his case is the same point yo made against me at the start too. However, what I wrote above still applies. If you put in all that effort and get shot down a second time you get really really demotivated to push anything.


As for you oats, you have played what I see as the most scummy game. You didn't really push people you just agreed with points and sheeped votes. It's not until day/night 2 that you really begin to make a case on someone. The case was weak in my opinion and you're jackhammering it rather than looking objectively at other people that could indeed be scum.

Marv is a good player so I've heard, the only thing that's made me see him negatively was the BH argument vut as I understand he dislikes BH for out of game reasons. I would have liked him to leave that out of game though for the sake of making this harder. I still need to read up on his posts though because i have somewhat neglected him till now, which can be a total mishap if I've properly misread him. He was convinced sloosh was scum and so didn't do anymore scum hunting and joked at how we were trying which left me questionable.

Dirk was well scummy to start, he obviously had to pick up his posting mishap in order to appear not scummy so I'm not sure i can let him slide. I liked his case on sloosh though it looked very convincing. People have seemingly let him go free.

If i had to target someone it would be you oats
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#1827
, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything.

What is the difference between town Risen finding scum Rayn and Scum Risen finding scum Rayn.

Can you make a case on me that shows what mafia motivation I have for posting the way I have been posting?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#1828
Also you arent looking objectively at people either Holyflare. Hypocrite.
No gg, No skill.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
October 07 2013 17:37 GMT
#1829
On October 08 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see any reasons in that statement by HF about Risen being townie

Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most?



I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk.

Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch?
Come on HF, work with me.


why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me

Because its an exercise to get you to think about Risen being scum Rayn didnt get lynched/was town.
Its night. Just do it.


But he was lynched and rayn was scum so what you are asking is somewhat silly.

Risen has been consistent in his case making and style. He makes long winded cases and makes them based off confirmation biased reads. He made his second case on rayn despite being told to improve on making cases. A lot of unnecessary effort went into it and thus when he was shot down again he felt dejected, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything.

The point you make about not pushing his case is the same point yo made against me at the start too. However, what I wrote above still applies. If you put in all that effort and get shot down a second time you get really really demotivated to push anything.


As for you oats, you have played what I see as the most scummy game. You didn't really push people you just agreed with points and sheeped votes. It's not until day/night 2 that you really begin to make a case on someone. The case was weak in my opinion and you're jackhammering it rather than looking objectively at other people that could indeed be scum.

Marv is a good player so I've heard, the only thing that's made me see him negatively was the BH argument vut as I understand he dislikes BH for out of game reasons. I would have liked him to leave that out of game though for the sake of making this harder. I still need to read up on his posts though because i have somewhat neglected him till now, which can be a total mishap if I've properly misread him. He was convinced sloosh was scum and so didn't do anymore scum hunting and joked at how we were trying which left me questionable.

Dirk was well scummy to start, he obviously had to pick up his posting mishap in order to appear not scummy so I'm not sure i can let him slide. I liked his case on sloosh though it looked very convincing. People have seemingly let him go free.

If i had to target someone it would be you oats


What does the bolded mean?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 07 2013 17:40 GMT
#1830
On October 04 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so, i need to decide my vote now.
I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum.
I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh?

If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do).

I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch.

Just throwing thoughts out here now. I am trying to re-read D1 when I came upon this post from our Scum Rayn. If I made a post like that as scum I would almost always include my scumbuddy. Either as a sure townread or a potential lynch target. We know Sloosh was town. If I add my own reads I get the conclusion that Oats is that last scum...

I've had a pretty good town read on marv most of the game and don't believe Risen made his case on Rayn as scumbuddy. That leaves Oats. At this point in the game Oats hadn't really done anything (imo) to warrent such a strong no-lynch comment which makes it stand out to me.

This is just my thoughts loudly when I saw it... (maybe because I already think oats is scum I make things fit... anyway)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 07 2013 17:44 GMT
#1831
On October 04 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I'm just gonna throw this out there but we don't have a cop or a vigi this game right? How good are you gonna be with that oats read Marv? cause, well, as you, me, rayne, and clarity know, towns have been burned before for letting Oats live to lylo.

BH, i can tell Oats' alignment at last on N2. If i die on N1 grill him hard. This is a fact.

Also this post just a short while before the one I quoted in my previous post...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
October 07 2013 17:45 GMT
#1832
On October 04 2013 01:55 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2013 23:48 Dirkzor wrote:
Actually the more I think about it the scummier your post gets.

You get called out for inactivity and not producing. Of course you claim this is not alignment indicative but then you start producing like a maniac.

First of after spending some 24 hours in the RNG BH thing your conclusion is rather weak. You then proceed to jump on a minor (imo) thing about HF.

On October 03 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because

1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?

That's the meat of it, right?

Yes.

+ the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum.

+ the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit.

+ the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats.


Of those 3 bullets I only really think number 1 is worth noting.

The bolded part is something you should never call someone out on unless you're using it as part of a case and you're voting that person. Discouraging people from posting is not something town players should do.


Defence of Rayn by Risen?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 07 2013 18:02 GMT
#1833
On October 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen did move his vote to slOosh at the deadline actually. I've pointed it out before but it's one of the most interesting bits of the whole lynch.

This is a main reason I want Oats lynched, and yet we have mr lynch me d2 coming in with the same point. Tell me marv, would you have kept your vote on someone if there was a last second bus being moved onto you? No, you wouldn't have. You would have kept a no lynch or yourself lynch from occuring and would have voted sloosh. This is so fucking scummy. You're not stupid, Oats isn't stupid, you both can't be scum and yet you're both doing the same exact thing. So this screams to me that you're scum playing to Oats' fears. If I'm scum marv I'm shooting HF tonight and riding Oats to a Risen lynch then lynching Oats as the creator of the Risen lynch. You even have HF in the thread saying exactly why Oats is wrong on this point and my post from earlier saying why this post is wrong and you STILL say something like this. Why are you soft pushing this so hard? Why don't you find Oats scummy for his push on me when you should? Town marv sees this and finds Oats scummy and wants to lynch Oats in spite of the whole quote me d2.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 07 2013 18:02 GMT
#1834
On October 08 2013 02:45 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:55 Risen wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:48 Dirkzor wrote:
Actually the more I think about it the scummier your post gets.

You get called out for inactivity and not producing. Of course you claim this is not alignment indicative but then you start producing like a maniac.

First of after spending some 24 hours in the RNG BH thing your conclusion is rather weak. You then proceed to jump on a minor (imo) thing about HF.

On October 03 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On October 03 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote:
rayn, just to clarify - you think Holyflare is mafia because

1) at the time that Oats unvoted, Holyflare thought it was a crock of shit
2) later on, Holyflare said he liked the fact that Oats unvoted?

That's the meat of it, right?

Yes.

+ the fact that his reasons for voting for Oats in the first place do not add up. He voted for Oats because of rng, then started finding reasons for Oats being scum. The reasons are bad and do not make Oats scum.

+ the fact that "hey this is how we find D1 lynch" is bullshit.

+ the fact that when i questioned him, he was trying to paint the discussion stupid "because why discuss Oats" when i am cleraly not discussing Oats.


Of those 3 bullets I only really think number 1 is worth noting.

The bolded part is something you should never call someone out on unless you're using it as part of a case and you're voting that person. Discouraging people from posting is not something town players should do.


Defence of Rayn by Risen?

Nah, just something I do every game in an attempt to make people better.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 18:16 GMT
#1835
On October 08 2013 03:02 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen did move his vote to slOosh at the deadline actually. I've pointed it out before but it's one of the most interesting bits of the whole lynch.

This is a main reason I want Oats lynched, and yet we have mr lynch me d2 coming in with the same point. Tell me marv, would you have kept your vote on someone if there was a last second bus being moved onto you? No, you wouldn't have. You would have kept a no lynch or yourself lynch from occuring and would have voted sloosh. This is so fucking scummy. You're not stupid, Oats isn't stupid, you both can't be scum and yet you're both doing the same exact thing. So this screams to me that you're scum playing to Oats' fears. If I'm scum marv I'm shooting HF tonight and riding Oats to a Risen lynch then lynching Oats as the creator of the Risen lynch. You even have HF in the thread saying exactly why Oats is wrong on this point and my post from earlier saying why this post is wrong and you STILL say something like this. Why are you soft pushing this so hard? Why don't you find Oats scummy for his push on me when you should? Town marv sees this and finds Oats scummy and wants to lynch Oats in spite of the whole quote me d2.

The whole point of the rayn lynch is to get you cred.
Thats how it works. And you cant see this. Thats really odd Risen. For being such an accomplished scum player, you CANNOT see what the mafia point of view for bussing Rayn.
That means you are scum. Totally caught Ace by this heuristic.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
October 07 2013 18:17 GMT
#1836
On October 08 2013 02:40 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so, i need to decide my vote now.
I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum.
I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh?

If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do).

I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch.

Just throwing thoughts out here now. I am trying to re-read D1 when I came upon this post from our Scum Rayn. If I made a post like that as scum I would almost always include my scumbuddy. Either as a sure townread or a potential lynch target. We know Sloosh was town. If I add my own reads I get the conclusion that Oats is that last scum...

I've had a pretty good town read on marv most of the game and don't believe Risen made his case on Rayn as scumbuddy. That leaves Oats. At this point in the game Oats hadn't really done anything (imo) to warrent such a strong no-lynch comment which makes it stand out to me.

This is just my thoughts loudly when I saw it... (maybe because I already think oats is scum I make things fit... anyway)

I questioned him multiple times WHY he had the townread on me, im pretty sure. Scum like to give townreads because then they dont have to fake suspicion on people. But not too many townreads.
No gg, No skill.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 07 2013 19:02 GMT
#1837
On October 08 2013 03:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 03:02 Risen wrote:
On October 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen did move his vote to slOosh at the deadline actually. I've pointed it out before but it's one of the most interesting bits of the whole lynch.

This is a main reason I want Oats lynched, and yet we have mr lynch me d2 coming in with the same point. Tell me marv, would you have kept your vote on someone if there was a last second bus being moved onto you? No, you wouldn't have. You would have kept a no lynch or yourself lynch from occuring and would have voted sloosh. This is so fucking scummy. You're not stupid, Oats isn't stupid, you both can't be scum and yet you're both doing the same exact thing. So this screams to me that you're scum playing to Oats' fears. If I'm scum marv I'm shooting HF tonight and riding Oats to a Risen lynch then lynching Oats as the creator of the Risen lynch. You even have HF in the thread saying exactly why Oats is wrong on this point and my post from earlier saying why this post is wrong and you STILL say something like this. Why are you soft pushing this so hard? Why don't you find Oats scummy for his push on me when you should? Town marv sees this and finds Oats scummy and wants to lynch Oats in spite of the whole quote me d2.

The whole point of the rayn lynch is to get you cred.
Thats how it works. And you cant see this. Thats really odd Risen. For being such an accomplished scum player, you CANNOT see what the mafia point of view for bussing Rayn.
That means you are scum. Totally caught Ace by this heuristic.

No, you're wrong. I know the point of bussing, I see the point of someone doing it. This is an AHA moment you're trying to push when it's not. You're desperately clinging to something that isn't there. That's scummy.

If either of you actually said, Risen is just bussing his teammate and then backed it up with anything that would be another story. Instead we have you saying oh look how he tried to get sloosh lynched when Risen was the only other candidate. I respond to that point and you jump out with AHA! SEE SCUM! Get your fucking push straight. No one is this incompetent. This is Oats trying to fabricate something that isn't there.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 07 2013 19:03 GMT
#1838
On October 08 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 02:40 Dirkzor wrote:
On October 04 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so, i need to decide my vote now.
I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum.
I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh?

If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do).

I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch.

Just throwing thoughts out here now. I am trying to re-read D1 when I came upon this post from our Scum Rayn. If I made a post like that as scum I would almost always include my scumbuddy. Either as a sure townread or a potential lynch target. We know Sloosh was town. If I add my own reads I get the conclusion that Oats is that last scum...

I've had a pretty good town read on marv most of the game and don't believe Risen made his case on Rayn as scumbuddy. That leaves Oats. At this point in the game Oats hadn't really done anything (imo) to warrent such a strong no-lynch comment which makes it stand out to me.

This is just my thoughts loudly when I saw it... (maybe because I already think oats is scum I make things fit... anyway)

I questioned him multiple times WHY he had the townread on me, im pretty sure. Scum like to give townreads because then they dont have to fake suspicion on people. But not too many townreads.


I see. When I call rayn for having a town read on me it's scummy, when you do it it's kosher. Got it. More scum bullshit.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 07 2013 19:07 GMT
#1839
EBWOP: And why the fuck aren't Clarity and HF scum bussers, too? You've singled me out, why? How do you know they're town and not bussing? Your logic is so inconsistent you have to be scum. Oh but suddenly HF is your dark horse candidate. Sloosh was the first candidate to be pushing a bus over a no lynch, but that didn't work out. So now you've moved on to the next person you want lynched for bussing. Here's a thought, maybe scum didn't bus d1? Maybe scum agenda is to create all this conversation around a bus that didn't actually occur in order to get three people who didn't vote rayn all the way to d4 then have a fucking crapshoot in the dark. How have you not considered this? This isn't an AHA moment, because this is actually happening. You keep saying Dirk/Risen who's scum and then you only pressure me
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October 07 2013 19:20 GMT
#1840
On October 08 2013 04:07 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: And why the fuck aren't Clarity and HF scum bussers, too? You've singled me out, why? How do you know they're town and not bussing? Your logic is so inconsistent you have to be scum. Oh but suddenly HF is your dark horse candidate. Sloosh was the first candidate to be pushing a bus over a no lynch, but that didn't work out. So now you've moved on to the next person you want lynched for bussing. Here's a thought, maybe scum didn't bus d1? Maybe scum agenda is to create all this conversation around a bus that didn't actually occur in order to get three people who didn't vote rayn all the way to d4 then have a fucking crapshoot in the dark. How have you not considered this? This isn't an AHA moment, because this is actually happening. You keep saying Dirk/Risen who's scum and then you only pressure me

Maybe bus is the wrong word. You guys only decided to bus after BH started pushing hard and rayn got votes.
Not before that. Who pushed Rayn before that? Clarity and HF. Also clarity is totes town other than the Rayn thing.

My question to you Risen, is why dont I just push Dirk as scum? Isnt that WAY EASIER? I can make a case focused around the HF vote at the start and probably stuff surrounding rayn. Its not that hard.
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