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At this point with the little info that I have I'd like to state my position.
Today we witnessed a chainsaw defence performed by Therapist as a reaction to Kohbee's impulsive vote on HiroPro (who was a little tense in his posting style compared to others). This can be a scum tell especially because HiroPro didn't have the chance to get an idea of Kohbee's judgement capabilities so early in the game (he had no reason to find him suspicious).
But then what happened, Kohbee accused Terapist of being scum. This is another tell especially on Day1, mafia accusing each other halfheartedly.
So these are my reads up to this point and I choose to vote for Therapist because Kohbee did what comes natural .. he voted for someone in order to pressure him, rather randomly but it makes sense. What Therapist did doesn't make sense to me, he tried to intimidate the one instigating a random vote stage. He not so randomly voted for Kohbee but without any reason whatsoever to do so.
Then HiroPro says he understands what Kohbee did as a way to provoke discussion, but Therapist still doesn't drop his vote.
Then KB and me start to clutter up the thread etc. I did it to joke around and because I wanted a different approach to starting a discussion.. the random question stage approach but nobody seems to be interested.. why KB did it I don't really know. He discusses/defends my proposal as if he's trying to suck up to me but he then says it would be a bad idea because mafia can take advantage. Since when is organized town a bad thing, mafia already know a lot of shit and analysis however insignificant it might seem can only shed light on what town is likely to miss. He also does a lot of what I mentioned before the start of the game. And he is all but concise with no real purpose but to decline my attempts to implement some policy.
But most of all I think lynching HiroPro would give the most info. If Kohbee stays firm on his vote and he flips scum Kohbee is confirmed town and Therapist is very suspicious. If he flips town we got nothing whatsoever
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On April 01 2012 08:32 FourFace wrote:
I choose to imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger's/Thor's voice talking while I read KB's posts :>
This just made my day.
What is best in life? To be right in a scum vote, to see them flip before you, and to hear the lamentations of their buddies!
Re-engage serious mode:
On April 01 2012 11:26 FourFace wrote:
3. In this game it would be awesome to have a Veterinary Medicine College Dropout Aquarium Cleaning Guy who has all the reasons to hate Radfield (see I can spell your name correctly if i please) due to the unrewarding physical labor and shitty wage and who is suspected to have gotten promised a nice sum of cash if he partners up with Cephiro because the note kind of resembles his handwriting. He knows how to tranquilize the animals so he would be perfect for the job but everyone knows him as a stand up guy who wouldn't tell a lie and he claims his innocence so he's town. But he's also scum who succumbed to the temptation of easy cash. How come? He has two personalities who function independently of one another day/night.. therefore he's played by two players sharing the account. The replacement can use the original player's account logging in with a temporary password as soon as nighttime falls up until dawn and is a fully pledged member of the scum faction and thus has access to the scumQT.
Really? In a newbie game? Imagine someone playing this game for the first time and getting to be the Veterinary Medicine College Dropout Aquarium Cleaning Guy. He reads his PM and goes "WHAT??? How does my role even work?"
Also remember that the player has to give up his account temporarily and completely trust another player (who? How is that determined?) with his account for each night. The other guy could easily get him banned for some completely unrelated reason, and no one can prove it was him.
ALSO, how do you prevent the day player from logging on at night? He has to set the password for the night player, so he can log onto his account anyway and post at night with his normal personality (He doesn't get access to the QT though).
The same thoughts apply to the prime evils in your Diablo II game setup (Note that I haven't got anything against a Diablo II setup from a flavour standpoint, I would instantly join such a game if it gets hosted): One does not simply Destroy A Whole Forum Page (not even temporarily). And planting a post on a player, while more doable than the role described above, is nothing I would want in my game either.
I hope you think a bit more about your roles if you ever get to host a game.
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EBWOP: I choose to vote for HiroPro, although Therapist would be my second alternative
##Vote: HiroPro
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EBWOP:
On April 01 2012 22:07 FourFace wrote:
This can be a scum tell especially because HiroPro didn't have the chance to get an idea of Kohbee's judgement capabilities so early in the game (he had no reason to find him suspicious).
Therapist didn't have the chance to get and idea ... not HiroPro sry well both, but it's irrelevant
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On April 01 2012 22:07 FourFace wrote:
I think lynching HiroPro would give the most info. If Kohbee stays firm on his vote and he flips scum Kohbee is confirmed town and Therapist is very suspicious. If he flips town we got nothing whatsoever
If that is the move that gives us "the most information", we're in a pretty bad situation. With a 2/9 probability (if he flips scum), it tells us that Therapist might also be scum. Otherwise it does exactly nothing.
If Kohbee gets lynched and flips town, we have essentially gained no information because it says absolutely nothing about the alignment of HiroPro, and the tell against Therapist is pretty weak even then. If he is scum, then HiroPro is either his buddy and he tried to gambit, or he played standard and HiroPro is a townie, so no real gain here either. (Don't lynch Kohbee).
Lynching Therapist: If he's scum, there is at least a higher-than-average chance that either Kohbee or HiroPro is scum (he could try to gambit or he could defend his buddy), but in the case he's town we're looking pretty stupid again.
Our problem is that we have a (6/8)³ = 42% chance (from each townie's point of view) that none of those three is scum whatsoever. That is pretty high, and we can't really afford to act as if we know there is a scum player within them, because we don't.
I would rather look at a lurker lynch for today, because then at least our efficiency as a town goes up if it hits a townie.
Look at Solohan50's and omnomMuffins's filters: They're completely devoid of any discussion whatsoever. At least omnomMuffins explains it. On March 30 2012 05:40 omnomMuffins wrote:I will be sporadic until Monday, but then I can start really really reading 
So,
##Vote: Solohan50
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Sensible post Kharad. I don't quite understand Fourface's case honestly.
Unrelatedly, I got a Nexus birthday cake!
##Vote: Solohan50
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On April 01 2012 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Sensible post Kharad. I don't quite understand Fourface's case honestly.
Unrelatedly, I got a Nexus birthday cake!
##Vote: Solohan50
Which part? nice..
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Well, it just seemed circumstancial. At least voting for a lurker atm might get them to post something useful...
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true, but I wouldn't expect something useful from people who aren't dedicated to make at least 5 posts per 48 hour day cycle, especially people from first world countries who are basking in constant internet access. Is it so hard to flick out your iphone while you're taking a piss? And begging lurkers to post is just one of the most repugnant aspects of modern forum mafia play. I say fuck the lurkers let's lynch this guy HiroPro
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If you don't expect something useful from the lurkers, why not lynch them? If they're scum it's a victory, and if they're town we don't lose much discussion power.
Aside note: I'm going to be an a LAN party until Tuesday. I can't exactly say how much I will be posting from there because I will be preoccupied with gaming, but I'll try my best.
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That is the weirdest excuse to prepare for lurking. Do you have internet at your Lan party? You want me to believe you can't take a 5 minute break and maybe show other people how cool tl mafia is? I find that so weird. I it something official that I can look up somewhere or is it just conveniently between friends?
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On April 01 2012 23:59 FourFace wrote:
true, but I wouldn't expect something useful from people who aren't dedicated to make at least 5 posts per 48 hour day cycle, especially people from first world countries who are basking in constant internet access. Is it so hard to flick out your iphone while you're taking a piss? And begging lurkers to post is just one of the most repugnant aspects of modern forum mafia play. I say fuck the lurkers let's lynch this guy HiroPro
Your case against Hiro seems to be "we might get some information from it". I would say that is pretty much a worse reason than ours.
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Well first of all .. nobody is really lurking. Everybody posted something, what do you want them to do if there is nothing to discuss on day1. Besides you two .. nobody accused the lurkers yet so if you give them some time they will post something and you'll be like yeah that's legit, except they could technically be posting anything.
Nobody except me and Kohbee were of any use to town as of yet simply because we are consciously following an established strategy to get discussion going and seem to be getting cockblocked at each step by soulless, reactive and predictable posting. Would any of you have posted anything if it wasn't for me and Kohbee? I seriously doubt it.
Marv how bout taking your thumb out of your ass and start cooperating with my policy shit or jumb on the bandwagon along with me and my buddy Kohbee so people don't think you're just a zombie running towards a pipebomb thrown by KB. Lynching lurkers on day 1 is so booooring Jesus.
And KB for the love of God stop being so reactive. If you want to be useful to town you got to start your own trademark observation, get a niche so we can count on you to give your opinion on that particular aspect when we need to discuss it. Let me criticize your ideas for once.
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On April 02 2012 00:25 FourFace wrote:
Well first of all .. nobody is really lurking. Everybody posted something, what do you want them to do if there is nothing to discuss on day1. Besides you two .. nobody accused the lurkers yet so if you give them some time they will post something and you'll be like yeah that's legit, except they could technically be posting anything.
Nobody except me and Kohbee were of any use to town as of yet simply because we are consciously following an established strategy to get discussion going and seem to be getting cockblocked at each step by soulless, reactive and predictable posting. Would any of you have posted anything if it wasn't for me and Kohbee? I seriously doubt it.
Marv how bout taking your thumb out of your ass and start cooperating with my policy shit or jumb on the bandwagon along with me and my buddy Kohbee so people don't think you're just a zombie running towards a pipebomb thrown by KB. Lynching lurkers on day 1 is so booooring Jesus.
And KB for the love of God stop being so reactive. If you want to be useful to town you got to start your own trademark observation, get a niche so we can count on you to give your opinion on that particular aspect when we need to discuss it. Let me criticize your ideas for once.
But my thumb feels good in my ass. If you have any sort of case against Hiro, I'm listening.
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I don't man .. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch him for the reasons stated above. Me and Kohbee would be confirmed town if he flips red and Therapist would be suspicious along with you and KB. It could be a way to win this game.
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I still think Kohbee is the most suspicious person in the thread so far. Lynching hiropro seems to be essentially the same as lynching a lurker. However, lynching anyone day1 would give us the same information as lynching hiropro - if he's mafia and it was a close vote then the people who vote for him are probably town, if he is town or if he's mafia and everyone bandwagoned then we learn nothing. Either way we have the additional benefit that we're lynching someone who made a shitty push, then acted really defensive about it.
[b] ##vote: Kohbee [\b]
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Fuck not being able to edit bbcode
##vote: Kohbee
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I am officially withholding some reads from you guys now. I'm also fairly interested in what Kohbee and everybody else thinks about strongandbig including Therapist
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On April 02 2012 00:50 FourFace wrote:
I am officially withholding some reads from you guys now. I'm also fairly interested in what Kohbee and everybody else thinks about strongandbig including Therapist
Stupid post of the thread award.
As you asked, I looked at strongandbig's filter. Looks like he was just calling Kohbee out and he's since stuck to his guns without posting too much.
Only thing that read a little odd to me was
On April 01 2012 04:18 strongandbig wrote:
I'm not going to vote yet - when do we need to vote by anyway? Did the deadline get changed or not - anyway, I'm not going to vote yet, but I think we should watch out for random accusations.
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Stupid question, how do I read filters?
Also will post more in depth as soon as I am done with the ONOG Invitational tonight. It has not been going as smoothly as hoped. Expect a post maybe an hour after it is over, assuming I don't just keel over and die myself, also hoping for no more drama llamas like the last one
I would agree with voting out a lurker as well, as I was the only one to announce BEFORE roles were given out that I would be sporadic until a certain day(Monday). I have mostly just skimmed over though the posts and not looked at names too much while skimming, but right now it just seems like a lot of posturing and people expecting people to act like pros during an amateur game.
But seriously can we kill the gorram alligator that ate people?
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