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On April 02 2012 02:09 FourFace wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: FourFace
at least I'll give you a real reason to vote me .. i'm the third person to jump on the bandwagon
Pretty sure you can't vote for yourself, we went over that earlier.
As for reads on me, it should be pretty easy; I think that unless Kohbee explains his early accusation on hiropro, it's suspicious.
Personally I think that a case could definitely be made on fourface for being kind of domineering and trying to control the game, but I don't think he's scum yet. He was behaving exactly the same way before the game. Sure it's kind of obnoxious, but lynching someone for being obnoxious is exactly what mafia wants.
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it was a mirage, you are dehydrated from your clubbing endeavors last night
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On April 02 2012 02:27 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 02:09 FourFace wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: FourFace
at least I'll give you a real reason to vote me .. i'm the third person to jump on the bandwagon Pretty sure you can't vote for yourself, we went over that earlier. As for reads on me, it should be pretty easy; I think that unless Kohbee explains his early accusation on hiropro, it's suspicious. Personally I think that a case could definitely be made on fourface for being kind of domineering and trying to control the game, but I don't think he's scum yet. He was behaving exactly the same way before the game. Sure it's kind of obnoxious, but lynching someone for being obnoxious is exactly what mafia wants.
I did. Why are you so bothered by it
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EBWOP: I'm pretty confused 
I was going to save up this reply for strongandbig:
On April 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Either way we have the additional benefit that we're lynching someone who made a shitty push, then acted really defensive about it.
##vote: Kohbee [\b]
That is pure horseshit. Kohbee = useful imo. You want to kill someone useful = suspicious. You claim he's defensive about his push.. when did that happen? HiroPro acted super defensive by saying he can relate to Kohbee.
On April 01 2012 04:30 HiroPro wrote:
I don't think Kohbee is scum. His posts seem designed to provoke reactions from everyone. And these discussions help us find scum.
End of reply.
But then Kohbee in fact retracted his vote and now lynching HiroPro has lost his lynching value.
So I'm switching to my secondary target: Therapist
[b]##Vote: Therapist
my secondary target now is strongandbig because he's also voting for Kohbee for no reason.
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Current Vote Count
Kohbee (2): Therapist, strongandbig
FourFace (2): omnomMuffins, marvellosity
Solohan50 (1): KharadBanar
Therapist (1): FourFace
omnomMuffins (1): HiroPro
Not yet voted: Solohan50, Kohbee
Voting ends in approximately 5 hours and 30 minutes.
Vote History
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To the people voting FourFace, how does that make any sense. FourFace has been one of the few people to try to get something going. Mafia would never try to lead the way FourFace is. Mafia lurk and try to remain hidden.
Of omnomMuffins and marvellosity, omnomMuffins has contributed almost nothing, while marvellosity has identified a possible scumslip by strongandbig.
On April 02 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:Only thing that read a little odd to me was Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:18 strongandbig wrote:
I'm not going to vote yet - when do we need to vote by anyway? Did the deadline get changed or not - anyway, I'm not going to vote yet, but I think we should watch out for random accusations.
##Vote: omnomMuffins
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On April 02 2012 03:22 HiroPro wrote:To the people voting FourFace, how does that make any sense. FourFace has been one of the few people to try to get something going. Mafia would never try to lead the way FourFace is. Mafia lurk and try to remain hidden. Of omnomMuffins and marvellosity, omnomMuffins has contributed almost nothing, while marvellosity has identified a possible scumslip by strongandbig. Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote:Only thing that read a little odd to me was On April 01 2012 04:18 strongandbig wrote:
I'm not going to vote yet - when do we need to vote by anyway? Did the deadline get changed or not - anyway, I'm not going to vote yet, but I think we should watch out for random accusations.
##Vote: omnomMuffins
I don't like this vote at all. He has said numerous times why he is not here (onog) and has atleast checked in where solohan has not. If you want to lynch a lurker why are you ignoring solohan.
Also, why not vote strongandbig if you think he scumslipped?
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Strongandbig did not jump on the FourFace bandwagon, which is something mafia would definitely try to do. His post could also be a sign of inexperience, instead of mafia.
Of the two lurkers (Solohan50 and omnomMuffins), the case against omnomMuffins is stronger because of the extremely illogical vote. Marvellosity is also possibly mafia.
Between those three players, I think we have the two mafia.
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On April 02 2012 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
Of the two lurkers (Solohan50 and omnomMuffins), the case against omnomMuffins is stronger because of the extremely illogical vote. Marvellosity is also possibly mafia.
I don't think his vote on FourFace is necessarily a big scumtell. While I don't agree with it, I definitely recognize how he could be seen as annoying enough not to want him in the game anymore. Also, FourFace isn't the most consistent player out there. All in all, that's a slight scumtell there but nothing that really warrants a vote in my eyes.
Solohan50 on the other hand hasn't posted at all since his first flavour post, and has given us no excuse as to why, so even if he is town a lynch on him is not a very big loss. Lynching the lurkiest player is the most risk-free strategy in our situation, I think.
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That's a good point.
##Unvote
##Vote: Solohan50
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To the people wondering what I was referencing, the poster above me said that if I didn't switch on to one of the 1 vote guys, mafia could swing the vote easily.
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Sorry, that was me on my dormmates computer. I fucked up.
What I said was that hiro needs to get his vote on solohan or therapist so that town can control the vote.
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Please be careful and do not even mistakenly edit your posts, as it is against the rules. Also, be even more careful if you use a computer other than your own and make sure you are on the right account.. we wouldn't want modkills for that would we?
Also, I will to my best extent keep the votecount updated in this post, as I do not want to go back and edit the earlier votecount posts in the thread, nor post new ones after every new vote. I will however do new posts containing the vote count regularly enough.
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Holy moley. I get back after being stranded in a desert without internet for a day and this thread has exploded. As a side note, having your car break down in the middle of the desert while driving back from Vegas is not a fun day. I left at 7am and got back home at 5am. :-(
Enough about my fun problems though. Now that I'm finally caught up on the thread, here's my observations. I think that it's a little too early to know whether FourFace is a confirmed townie or if he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes by being a very talkative Mafia. I'm inclined to go with townie myself, but I think more time is needed before it's certain.
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On April 02 2012 02:52 FourFace wrote:EBWOP: I'm pretty confused I was going to save up this reply for strongandbig: Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 00:40 strongandbig wrote:
Either way we have the additional benefit that we're lynching someone who made a shitty push, then acted really defensive about it.
##vote: Kohbee [\b] That is pure horseshit. Kohbee = useful imo. You want to kill someone useful = suspicious. You claim he's defensive about his push.. when did that happen? HiroPro acted super defensive by saying he can relate to Kohbee. Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 04:30 HiroPro wrote:
I don't think Kohbee is scum. His posts seem designed to provoke reactions from everyone. And these discussions help us find scum.
End of reply. But then Kohbee in fact retracted his vote and now lynching HiroPro has lost his lynching value. So I'm switching to my secondary target: Therapist ##Vote: Therapist
my secondary target now is strongandbig because he's also voting for Kohbee for no reason.
Specifically, it's because of the way he reacted to therapist. "I don't talk to scum" seems to me to be a scummy thing to say since it lets you avoid engaging the town more than you have to and this potentially tripping yourself up or having to reveal too much information.
Additionally, I maintain that choosing hiropro as the first lynch target was random. He had made one post between the start of the game and the time he was accused, and I see nothing in that one post to indicate he's any more or less suspicious than any of the other people who had, as of that accusation, only posted once or twice after receiving their roles. Now, I understand that calling out a random target could be a town action, to spark discussion and get more information out there. However - it could also be a scum action, hoping that a noob town bandwagons and gets a day 1 mislynch. It's a particularly safe scum action, since if the person flips town they could just claim they were trying to spark discussion.
SO - in my eyes, Kohbee still seems suspicious. However, maybe not suspicious enough to warrant lynching him day 1 instead of one of the lurk-ier players.
[b]##unvote:kohbee
I'm willing to change my vote in the next few hours to either solohan, marvellosity, or therapist, since those people seem to have the strongest cases against them. Omnom also, but he has a pretty good excuse and I can see how someone overworked and frustrated about running a tournament would just check in briefly and vote for the most abrasive poster in the thread. I would also be willing to vote for Kohbee again.
One last thing: I'm not sure why my question about the voting times seems suspicious. There was talk in the first few pages before the game started about changing the deadlines to accomodate European players, and I wasn't sure if that had gone through. I'm posting from my iPhone, which makes it hard to open one page of the thread at the same time as you're writing a post.
One more last thing, specifically to the people voting for solohan: he has t voted yet, so if he's not just lurking but actually afk, he would get mod killed. It might still be worth lynching him in case he votes right before the deadline, but IMO it would be more efficient to all agree that unless he says something soon we'll just let him get mod killed, and then all agree to lunch him if he suddenly pops up and tries to rude the deadline. Lynching him when he's going to get modkilled for violating the rules anyway seems like a waste of a town kill.
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I agree that Solohan's lurking is strange. I'd like to hear from him before I vote for him. If he doesn't say anything, I will change my vote to him because if he's not saying anything, he's not helping the town so he's a rather harmless lynch. On the other hand, he could be hiding scum just waiting to see what the nature of the thread is. But I think he has to react now in any case.
At this point, I have gotten some responses from various people. Based on the way people have responded to me, lynching me may be a good idea to see if my confirmed honesty sheds any light on the posting style of the people going after me.
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[QUOTE]On April 02 2012 03:48 KharadBanar wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 02 2012 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
FourFace isn't the most consistent player out there. All in all, that's a slight scumtell there but nothing that really warrants a vote in my eyes.
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Don't be silly KB, I am the most consistent player on the field.
You on the other hand have no insight. Did it ever occur to you that he will get replaced/modkilled if he fails to make the vote? If you lynch him on the other hand, and he's blue .. you just lynched a blue. So why vote for him, Sherlock? You people are just scared by this irrational, unforeseeable voting and that you might be the victim of it. Well mafia have every reason to be scared because being lynched on the first day is like being put in the corner with a dunce cap on.
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