EPTI'd like to know who else LoneMeow thinks is scum.
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
I'd like to know who else LoneMeow thinks is scum. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On July 01 2013 19:37 hzflank wrote: @Spicy: If at all possible I need you to make a day 4 case against someone. Even if you can only post by phone, I do not need to see an elaborate case. If you had to place the first vote on day 4, who would you vote for and why? kinda late but figure its still relevant. Still would vote stim, he hasnt said anything since so nothing to really change my mind over. Though lone's case against hz is very weak, and i dont like how he hasn't named who he thinks the second scum is. On July 01 2013 21:41 hzflank wrote: What was your list? stim/aqua. i still cant understand stim having a null read on aqua after he leads a lynch against slam when he had a scum read the night before. No explanation. As for the tofu killing, i dont think it changes much at all. Everyone but me had him as townie and he was very vocal, thus making him a good target. He pegged me as scum and aqua town. So what i think you're getting at is why would a scum aqua kill him? I cant answer that as im not aqua and i can only speculate. Would be an easy way to throw more suspicion on me and use tofu's reads as a stronger guide which would lead to a mislynch. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 29 2013 21:42 Spicydinosaur wrote: @everyone, please look at the relationships between everyone, not just the individual filters. Quick FYI: i will be traveling for the next couple of days so i will be posting from my phone. On June 30 2013 00:56 Spicydinosaur wrote: Case on stim. d1 he picks aqua as a target and votes him at the very end not really affecting the vote. he blows up aquas position on nn policy and r a ils on him for the xzavier vote. What I see here is a scum on scum vote meqnt to be used later for cred in the event aqua dies. D2 stim disappears again till qn hour before the vote and claims ignorance of the situation. He fake buys his time asking questions and seeing the votes. Knowing that slam will be killed regardless of the vot3, he votes against it for town cred. Also he is actually active in the post lynch talk.... but why? Because scum only need 1 misslynch to win so hes trying hard now to get there. On June 30 2013 01:02 Spicydinosaur wrote: Also forgot to add something. He had a scum read on aqua d1...and then aqua has a huge post on slam is most likely scum which led to a misslynch... but he now only has a null read?? Doesnt make sense except that hes protecting him or at least not throwing him under the bus yet. Spicy, your entire read on me (and for that matter StiM) appears to be based on relationships (and mostly speculative between the two of us rather than to the confirmed scum Onegu), rather than individual filters. I appreciate that there isn't a whole lot in StiM's filter to go off, but FirmTofu had a strong town read on me based on my play viewed individually. If you think I'm scum, what in FirmTofu's analysis (link) do you disagree with? | ||
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geript
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 02 2013 11:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote: hz, let me know how you'd like to play the night. I know which two I think are the other mafia. I'll hold off posting until we hear from StiM, Spicy, Aqua, and LoneMeow if you think that's best. I'm on the same page that you are. But there are some problems with it. Aqua has played to win. He has put a lot of effort into the game and appears to have been scum-hunting. The thing is in many ways it looks like Aqua has played to win for the wrong team. If Spicy has been scum-hunting then he has not really shared it with us (since his D1 case on you). Also, I am not sure how much attention Spicy is paying at the moment, and town should be paying attention at this crucial time. On June 29 2013 11:05 hzflank wrote: also, one or both of LoneMeow and Spicy are scum. On July 01 2013 19:37 hzflank wrote: @Spicy: If at all possible I need you to make a day 4 case against someone. Even if you can only post by phone, I do not need to see an elaborate case. If you had to place the first vote on day 4, who would you vote for and why? I think that Spicy should of just said that LoneMeow was scum. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 28 2013 18:16 hzflank wrote: The biggest reason why I think that Hurricane is town is because when I scumhunt on him I feel like he is also scumhunting on me. When I look at some other people is has looked like when they scumhunt on me they are actually looking for a scapegoat. If Hurricane made a case against me on Day 3 I would make a case against a third party. If Hurricane thinks that I am scum that does not mean that I think he is scum. In fact in my case, it almost seems that Hurricane is the only person who is actually scumhunting in my direction. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 01 2013 19:20 hzflank wrote: Another thing: The fact that I could quote myself so much in my own defense is quite amusing. Also, I did not post that without reason. LoneMeow could of got answers to most of his questions but spending 15 minutes reading my filter. LoneMeow is scum. And therefore, Spicy is not even considering his endgame scenarios, even though he told us to look at relationships. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On June 30 2013 10:26 hzflank wrote: Apart from that Stim also voted for Onegu. But it was, as pointed out earlier, a safe vote anyway, so I wouldn't completely discount it as a town cred vote. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On July 02 2013 11:31 Aquanim wrote: I'm around, I just haven't had anything new to say. StiM didn't really give us anything concrete and I'm not sure what to make of LoneMeow's case on hzflank. I'd like to know who else LoneMeow thinks is scum. Analyzing the associations between players: Hurricane - good as confirmed town based on Onegu's flip Aquanim - not likely Stim - possible SpicyDinosaur - possible, even likely? So I'd say probably SpicyDinosaur, possibly Stim. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 02 2013 17:43 LoneMeow wrote: But it was, as pointed out earlier, a safe vote anyway, so I wouldn't completely discount it as a town cred vote. It was not safe. I was withholding my vote. Hurricane and Aqua were both online at the time. Also, Stim was confused about the whole Alaka/Onegu thing. I got the impression that he had not been reading the scum QT, and therefore is not scum. Finally, we have almost nothing to look at the confirm that Stim is scum. If we plan to lynch Stim then we are flipping a coin, and worse than that I think the coin is stacked to give us <50% chance of success. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Even if you think Stim is scum (which I disagree with), he should not be a lynch candidate until day 5. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 02 2013 17:43 LoneMeow wrote: Analyzing the associations between players: Hurricane - good as confirmed town based on Onegu's flip Aquanim - not likely Stim - possible SpicyDinosaur - possible, even likely? So I'd say probably SpicyDinosaur, possibly Stim. @Aqua, what do you think of this post by LoneMeow? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: I did not have a good scum read. Why should I? How could you even expect my day 1 reads to be any good? In reality, I was the person who tried the hardest to move the wagon off of Xz. By the time I placed my vote it had already been decided and there was no town cred to be gained. Fyfy was almost a lurker. Once there was no counter-wagon to Xz, we were in a position where we would have been better off just policy voting a lurker (Stim). For a time I even moved my vote to a lurker, but people on the Xz wagon stated that that would not be willing to make a last minute vote switch. I was looking forward to seeing Fyfy's flip more than I was looking forward to seeing Xz's flip. I'll agree that fyfy was not one of the most active players, but he was hardly a lurker of the caliber of myself or Stim. I still don't see any reason why anyone would have been looking forward to fyfy's flip, by pure probability it was likely he was town and since he hadn't really engaged with anyone on the discussion his flip gave us nothing to work on. On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: We are not losing this game due to bad luck. If we do not look at our own play, find mistakes and try to remove them from our play then we will not only lose this game but also future games. This is a newbie game so learning should be a big part of it. Of course you're supposed to learn, but that does not equate to crying "I'm so bad, sorry sorry" to avoid suspicion. In fact, that still makes you look suspicious to me, trying to avoid scrutiny of your actions so hard. On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: I stick by my defence of Onegu on the basis that I did not believe that his day 1 voting apathy was a strong enough scum tell to justify an early day 2 vote on him. It's not just the apathy in voting, it's the way he does it and then tries to backtrack to defend himself when pressured on it. Definitely looked scummy at that point. On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: My vote on Stim was not useless as it simultaneously put pressure on both Stim and Onegu. It didn't put any real pressure on Stim at that point, because you didn't have a case on him (so it was unlikely others would follow suit, he wasn't going to get lynched without others joining the wagon) and because it was very early anyway. On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: There was only a small amount of town cred to gain from such a move. The town cred is not the key point. The fact that you didn't want to commit is the key point. On July 01 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: I claimed Vet after the night action deadline passed. I did so because I thought that I would be Night-killed Night 2 and that FirmTofu would be night-killed night 3. We were both confirmed town in my eyes, and Hurricane is not confirmed town until Onegu flips. I tried to hint at FirmTofu to counter-claim Vet, so that when I was night-killed and did not flip Vet, the scum would seriously consider not shooting Firm on Night 3. Unfortunately I did not realise that scum hitting the Vet only changes the LYLO to MYLO, so it would not have been the most useful play anyway. I don't see why you were so sure you'd be the one to be hit next. You've been playing like you're confirmed town, but you really aren't. No one is until they're dead, even Hurricane could very theoretically still be scum (but that'd be such one in a million weird play that I'll just ignore it for now). Even worse, why did you start breadcrumbing vet before this? If you really thought your play would work, wouldn't you want to keep quiet so scum wouldn't change their target away from you? Also, you didn't address my concern about your early play not looking vet-like at all. And, while not relevant in any way for my case, MYLO is preferable to LYLO, especially if as a side bonus you get a more or less confirmed vet claim (or a vet claim + counterclaim). + Show Spoiler + Man, editing the nested quotes was a pain. Hopefully I didn't screw them up. + Show Spoiler + Phone posting only for the next 24 hours or slightly more. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
In my opinion it would be useful for everyone if you could withhold your day 4 votes until the other 4 players have voted. I will explain why after everyone has voted. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
You have not done so. If you had then you would never of made that case against me. You picked me as a target and then tried to make a case, when a town player should do it the other way around. You did not even thoroughly read my filter before you made your case. You slipped up. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
If LoneMeow were town he should of realized that and waited for a scum to make the day 4 case against me. But he is not town, he is the scum player who wants a day 4 wagon on me to ensure that at least one town player has a wagon on them. It gives the scum team an extra chance to win. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
If LoneMeow were town he should suspect that Spicy and Aqua are probably but scum. If you read the thread and/or Aqua's filter, it looks a lot like Aqua would make a day 4 case against Spicy. If LoneMeow were town, all he had to do was make a case against Aqua and the day 4 wagons would likely both of been on scum. Making a case on Spicy would be the second best option, but not as good as Aqua. Making a case against me was the absolute worst thing that a town LoneMeow could do. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
probably both scum | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
You die tonight. LoneMeow is scum. If we lynch LoneMeow day 4 then I die night 4. Day 5 is the 2-1 LYLO with Aqua, Spicy and Stim. I am not sure of who the last scum is as I believe that there are still two options. That seems like a very random situation. Regardless of who is scum, Aqua votes for Spicy. We have no idea of who Spicy and Stim will vote for. Spicy and Stim might even vote for each other, which gives the town even less chance to win. So, I am debating the merits of putting this stagnant game out of it's misery. If we can decide on who is the most likely scum (other than LoneMeow) then I could push for their lynch day 4. If we are wrong then we lose, and if we are right then LoneMeow will probably just concede. I have read Aqua's filter thoroughly, and Spicy's twice thoroughly. I am going to look for some clues in LoneMeow's filter and then read parts of the thread. If you come across anything that confirms Aqua as town or scum, please let me know. | ||
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