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On July 02 2013 23:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:06 hzflank wrote:This paragraph deserves to be quoted again. On July 02 2013 19:57 Aquanim wrote:
The thing which bothers me about LoneMeow's case on you (hzflank) as a scum move is that I don't see how scum could reasonably expect to lynch you at this point... and furthermore, they don't have to. Scum only need one mislynch to win and there's plenty of easier lynchbait. It does have the advantage that he hasn't had to say anything much about the more likely lynches, though. How can Lone's case on me possibly be a town move? Even if he actually thinks I am scum then he should of planned to lynch me on day 5. If I am scum, how does a town Lone expect to lynch me day 4? I do not think that a town Lone could possibly of made that move. On July 02 2013 22:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just from reading the above i dont see a lone/aqua team
Maybe I am tunnelling too much, but I know Hurricane (confirmed town) thinks that the scum team is Aqua/Lone. I am confident that Firm (confirmed town) thinks that Spicy/Lone is the scum team. I think that either Aqua/Lone or Spicy/Lone is the scum team, and I have made this clear enough recently (even before Lone's case). I am genuinely surprised that Spicy does not think that Aqua/Lone is the scum team. Its the voting on d2 that doesnt make me think aqua/lone team. Lone completely sheeps aqua on the slam vote and once slam flipped, both would look extremely bad. The more likely scenario is one of them was scum and other is town that just piggybacked. I really liked the aqua/stim team over the weekend, but lone's case makes 0 sense to me as it feels like he is just posted on a townie so he doesnt have to make a case on his scum buddy. Im still liking stim as a lynch because of his late d2 posts but lone is seriously making me wonder what he is doing.
Do you realize that to beat a Lone/Stim we have to lynch Stim on day 4? If we lynch Lone then day 5 is Aqua, Spicy and Stim. Do you think Stim will get lynched in that scenario?
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On July 02 2013 23:27 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On July 02 2013 23:06 hzflank wrote:This paragraph deserves to be quoted again. On July 02 2013 19:57 Aquanim wrote:
The thing which bothers me about LoneMeow's case on you (hzflank) as a scum move is that I don't see how scum could reasonably expect to lynch you at this point... and furthermore, they don't have to. Scum only need one mislynch to win and there's plenty of easier lynchbait. It does have the advantage that he hasn't had to say anything much about the more likely lynches, though. How can Lone's case on me possibly be a town move? Even if he actually thinks I am scum then he should of planned to lynch me on day 5. If I am scum, how does a town Lone expect to lynch me day 4? I do not think that a town Lone could possibly of made that move. On July 02 2013 22:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just from reading the above i dont see a lone/aqua team
Maybe I am tunnelling too much, but I know Hurricane (confirmed town) thinks that the scum team is Aqua/Lone. I am confident that Firm (confirmed town) thinks that Spicy/Lone is the scum team. I think that either Aqua/Lone or Spicy/Lone is the scum team, and I have made this clear enough recently (even before Lone's case). I am genuinely surprised that Spicy does not think that Aqua/Lone is the scum team. Its the voting on d2 that doesnt make me think aqua/lone team. Lone completely sheeps aqua on the slam vote and once slam flipped, both would look extremely bad. The more likely scenario is one of them was scum and other is town that just piggybacked. I really liked the aqua/stim team over the weekend, but lone's case makes 0 sense to me as it feels like he is just posted on a townie so he doesnt have to make a case on his scum buddy. Im still liking stim as a lynch because of his late d2 posts but lone is seriously making me wonder what he is doing. Do you realize that to beat a Lone/Stim we have to lynch Stim on day 4? If we lynch Lone then day 5 is Aqua, Spicy and Stim. Do you think Stim will get lynched in that scenario?
Just reading from thread sentiment that there seems to be enough people to vote lone right now so atm it doesnt. But we still have hours left in the night cycle and then a whole day so im not worried about "having the votes" right now. Theres plenty of time to actually talk about it before then.
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Hz, look at stim's posts on d2 when he joins the discussion on onegu/slam. To me they dont feel genuine and just act like he's asking obvious questions to look confused on the issue and thus now active in the discussion. Then with the way the votes go, a mislynch is inevitable, so he votes against it for town cred. Do you feel his conversation there was genuine or am i just being extremely paranoid?
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On July 02 2013 23:27 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On July 02 2013 23:06 hzflank wrote:This paragraph deserves to be quoted again. On July 02 2013 19:57 Aquanim wrote:
The thing which bothers me about LoneMeow's case on you (hzflank) as a scum move is that I don't see how scum could reasonably expect to lynch you at this point... and furthermore, they don't have to. Scum only need one mislynch to win and there's plenty of easier lynchbait. It does have the advantage that he hasn't had to say anything much about the more likely lynches, though. How can Lone's case on me possibly be a town move? Even if he actually thinks I am scum then he should of planned to lynch me on day 5. If I am scum, how does a town Lone expect to lynch me day 4? I do not think that a town Lone could possibly of made that move. On July 02 2013 22:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just from reading the above i dont see a lone/aqua team
Maybe I am tunnelling too much, but I know Hurricane (confirmed town) thinks that the scum team is Aqua/Lone. I am confident that Firm (confirmed town) thinks that Spicy/Lone is the scum team. I think that either Aqua/Lone or Spicy/Lone is the scum team, and I have made this clear enough recently (even before Lone's case). I am genuinely surprised that Spicy does not think that Aqua/Lone is the scum team. Its the voting on d2 that doesnt make me think aqua/lone team. Lone completely sheeps aqua on the slam vote and once slam flipped, both would look extremely bad. The more likely scenario is one of them was scum and other is town that just piggybacked. I really liked the aqua/stim team over the weekend, but lone's case makes 0 sense to me as it feels like he is just posted on a townie so he doesnt have to make a case on his scum buddy. Im still liking stim as a lynch because of his late d2 posts but lone is seriously making me wonder what he is doing. Do you realize that to beat a Lone/Stim we have to lynch Stim on day 4? If we lynch Lone then day 5 is Aqua, Spicy and Stim. Do you think Stim will get lynched in that scenario?
Look, if you think Stim is scum make an argument for it and I'll listen. I'm not so tunneled on Spicy that I won't listen to reason.
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On July 02 2013 23:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:27 hzflank wrote:On July 02 2013 23:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On July 02 2013 23:06 hzflank wrote:This paragraph deserves to be quoted again. On July 02 2013 19:57 Aquanim wrote:
The thing which bothers me about LoneMeow's case on you (hzflank) as a scum move is that I don't see how scum could reasonably expect to lynch you at this point... and furthermore, they don't have to. Scum only need one mislynch to win and there's plenty of easier lynchbait. It does have the advantage that he hasn't had to say anything much about the more likely lynches, though. How can Lone's case on me possibly be a town move? Even if he actually thinks I am scum then he should of planned to lynch me on day 5. If I am scum, how does a town Lone expect to lynch me day 4? I do not think that a town Lone could possibly of made that move. On July 02 2013 22:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Just from reading the above i dont see a lone/aqua team
Maybe I am tunnelling too much, but I know Hurricane (confirmed town) thinks that the scum team is Aqua/Lone. I am confident that Firm (confirmed town) thinks that Spicy/Lone is the scum team. I think that either Aqua/Lone or Spicy/Lone is the scum team, and I have made this clear enough recently (even before Lone's case). I am genuinely surprised that Spicy does not think that Aqua/Lone is the scum team. Its the voting on d2 that doesnt make me think aqua/lone team. Lone completely sheeps aqua on the slam vote and once slam flipped, both would look extremely bad. The more likely scenario is one of them was scum and other is town that just piggybacked. I really liked the aqua/stim team over the weekend, but lone's case makes 0 sense to me as it feels like he is just posted on a townie so he doesnt have to make a case on his scum buddy. Im still liking stim as a lynch because of his late d2 posts but lone is seriously making me wonder what he is doing. Do you realize that to beat a Lone/Stim we have to lynch Stim on day 4? If we lynch Lone then day 5 is Aqua, Spicy and Stim. Do you think Stim will get lynched in that scenario? Look, if you think Stim is scum make an argument for it and I'll listen. I'm not so tunneled on Spicy that I won't listen to reason.
I don't think that Stim is scum. If we are serious about voting on Stim then I believe the correct play would be to give him an ultimatum now, so policy lynch if he refuses to cooperate. We cannot get the info we need on Stim because he does not let us do so.
To me it is either ultimatum > policy lynch or Stim is town.
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On July 02 2013 23:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hz, look at stim's posts on d2 when he joins the discussion on onegu/slam. To me they dont feel genuine and just act like he's asking obvious questions to look confused on the issue and thus now active in the discussion. Then with the way the votes go, a mislynch is inevitable, so he votes against it for town cred. Do you feel his conversation there was genuine or am i just being extremely paranoid?
I feel that it was genuine. I do not think Stim spends a lot of time reading the game. His MO seems to be to just pop in every 3 days, read for 30 minutes and make a vote. I think he was confused, and if he had access to scum QT he would not of been confused.
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On July 02 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hz, look at stim's posts on d2 when he joins the discussion on onegu/slam. To me they dont feel genuine and just act like he's asking obvious questions to look confused on the issue and thus now active in the discussion. Then with the way the votes go, a mislynch is inevitable, so he votes against it for town cred. Do you feel his conversation there was genuine or am i just being extremely paranoid? I feel that it was genuine. I do not think Stim spends a lot of time reading the game. His MO seems to be to just pop in every 3 days, read for 30 minutes and make a vote. I think he was confused, and if he had access to scum QT he would not of been confused.
Im saying the confusion was faked, and he knew what was going on, either through actually reading the thread or scum qt. He acted confused to look like hes active in the discussion and then parked his vote against the wagon.
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On July 02 2013 23:44 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote:On July 02 2013 23:35 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hz, look at stim's posts on d2 when he joins the discussion on onegu/slam. To me they dont feel genuine and just act like he's asking obvious questions to look confused on the issue and thus now active in the discussion. Then with the way the votes go, a mislynch is inevitable, so he votes against it for town cred. Do you feel his conversation there was genuine or am i just being extremely paranoid? I feel that it was genuine. I do not think Stim spends a lot of time reading the game. His MO seems to be to just pop in every 3 days, read for 30 minutes and make a vote. I think he was confused, and if he had access to scum QT he would not of been confused. Im saying the confusion was faked, and he knew what was going on, either through actually reading the thread or scum qt. He acted confused to look like hes active in the discussion and then parked his vote against the wagon.
I do not agree. I cannot see which part could not be genuine. It could be fake, but I see no evidence of that.
Also, he could of jumped on the wagon without looking scummy. There was nothing for a scum Stim to gain from voting for Onegu, but there was still some chance that Onegu would be lynched if he did. The vote did end up 5-4 (we have said all this before).
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My opinions may be coloured by...
If Stim is scum then screw it. This forum mafia game is stupid if scum can so easily win just by lurking. However, if Aqua/Spicy is scum then they are legitimately beating me.
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On July 03 2013 00:06 hzflank wrote:
My opinions may be coloured by...
If Stim is scum then screw it. This forum mafia game is stupid if scum can so easily win just by lurking. However, if Aqua/Spicy is scum then they are legitimately beating me.
lurkers are usually punished eventually in games with either votes/vig shots/ or they actually start posting more. It just so happens that in our game with the way things have been going that lurkers havent been the focus.
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I have nothing more to say about Stim. I have tried to improve my read on him but I cannot at the moment, so still town.
I feel like all of the Stim talk had just distracted me. Lone posted something meaty to dig into. Alternatively, I have been spamming up the thread if you want to go that route. Focusing on Stim is not going to achieve anything more.
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On July 03 2013 01:10 hzflank wrote:
I have nothing more to say about Stim. I have tried to improve my read on him but I cannot at the moment, so still town.
I feel like all of the Stim talk had just distracted me. Lone posted something meaty to dig into. Alternatively, I have been spamming up the thread if you want to go that route. Focusing on Stim is not going to achieve anything more.
Lets talk lone then.
In sum, his case against you just makes him look more scummy to me. I've had you pegged as townie since n1, which is one of the reasons you werent included in my night post about possible scum targets. According to him you and I are most likely scum buddies but he doesnt show our connection. Just feels like an extremely weak case to me.
I was happy with my scum team of aqua/stim up until his case on you. Now im not as confident. If lone is scum then one of my reads is wrong.
Id like lone to show what associations between you and i make us scum team. And also what connections u and stim (his second pick after me) have to be scum.
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On July 03 2013 01:37 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Id like lone to show what associations between you and i make us scum team. And also what connections u and stim (his second pick after me) have to be scum.
Exactly. He deliberately avoided implicating his partner.
I am a bit biased here so, Can you see why a town Lone would of done what he did?
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On July 03 2013 01:56 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 01:37 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Id like lone to show what associations between you and i make us scum team. And also what connections u and stim (his second pick after me) have to be scum. Exactly. He deliberately avoided implicating his partner. I am a bit biased here so, Can you see why a town Lone would of done what he did?
Well he has a habit of dropping a case and then leaving. The only explanation i think is that he doesnt have an idea who the second scum partner could be and is waiting to see. Honestly its hard to gauge him because he has so little posts. I almost want a anti-read on why aqua, me, and stim ARENT his top read.
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Onegu's very first post 
On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:
You have to remember scum have a tracker
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On July 03 2013 03:36 hzflank wrote:Onegu's very first post
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More from Onegu...
Saying that Stim is the best lurker to vote for on day 1?
On June 24 2013 16:59 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 16:53 FirmTofu wrote:
As I am about to go to bed, I would like to go ahead and
##Vote: fyfy
because he is the only person who hasn't spoken yet. Keep your eye on Stim and Meow as well because they are lurking, especially Stim. It is better to vote for lurkers who have posted one time and stopped then to vote for someone who hasnt posted anything because they will most likely get replaced or modkilled.
Don't analyse Spicy's meta?
On June 25 2013 01:05 Onegu wrote:
It is bad to connect meta on noobs because depending on what worked one game and what didnt work they will change how they play
Says I am town 3 times when I was pressing Firm/Chrom/Aqua (will only quote one):
On June 25 2013 01:57 Onegu wrote:Town at this point he doesnt have many posts but what he does post are scum hunts and his view on the NN idea, not much fluff amd not any sheeping.
Trying to move the conversation away from Spicy being scum?
On June 25 2013 12:14 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:I would like to switch gears into a more constructive discussion. My Case Against SpicyDinosaurPlay-by-play:Spicy starts off with an innocuous "Hey everyone", but is met with an immediate (harmless) accusation by Chromatically. On June 24 2013 11:09 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:
Why so scummy, Spicy? Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy. Here we can see him blowing it out of proportion. With this, we can deduce that he is probably a blue role, alignment unclear OR that he has a overly defensive personality. I have stated this sentiment earlier in the thread. On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. Here we see Chromatically respond to Spicy's defensive post. Spicy downplays his actions as mere friendly banter and continues on his way. This is consistent with his previous post and is mostly harmless. After a few hours, Hurricane shows up and posts his "Case for Spicy" On June 24 2013 12:28 Hurricane Sponge wrote:The Case for Spicy: On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone On June 24 2013 11:09 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:
Why so scummy, Spicy? Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy. On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. He later comes in with some actual(if not elegant) points on the game, but they're both just him defending his play in previous games: On June 24 2013 11:42 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:36 Chromatically wrote:
Alright, I see. What do you think of Xzavier so far? Spamming more than I like. On June 24 2013 11:53 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote:On June 24 2013 11:25 Chromatically wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote:On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. Hmm. In both other newbie games, you started out with a policy post about lurkers. Any particular reason why you changed for this game? I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: On June 06 2013 10:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone, I'll get the ball rolling. One of the most important things I've learned about day 1 is to make sure that town is active and posting USEFUL information and not just fluff. Lurkers do nothing to help town and are scummy. As such, I will and I encourage others, to pressure lurkers to post. That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: On June 24 2013 11:02 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Hey everyone Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsaand its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769
Fluffity fluff fluff fluff, I will, Fluffity fluff.
vote spicy as not the towniest MOFU in thread.
umasi xzav and yvanna are town
random guy that thinks hes better than he is and fferyl are probably town but not that much
i'd lynch firere and spicy for now
not sure about the third
spicy should be killed with fire
Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different. Not my favorite play in the world, but at least it's content. Honestly, this isn't much of a case. What is interesting however, is Spicy's disproportionate response to it. On June 24 2013 12:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.
To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town. An intro post saying hi and then answering questions is now fluff? If you want to talk about fluff then look to your first post. On June 24 2013 11:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Ugh, let's avoid the 'should we lynch lurkers talk' shall we?
I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track.
Pre-written segment starts now:
Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not). Nothing useful. All you say is dont claim or dont listen to you.
Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing.
My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today.
Just restating whats in the OP. spam
The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town.
Horrible idea for someone to claim at all this early.
I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages.
More fluff with nothing of substance. Scum Radar: BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP Holy bananas, did Spicy go full ad hominem today! Resorting to cheap personal attacks to discredit Hurricane's arguments(or lack thereof), further reinforces the fact that Spicy is extremely afraid of dying. A blue town member would try to dissect the argument and point out its flaws.Spicy makes no attempt to contribute to the discussion at all. After posting a bit further and defending himself from some of my accusations, he takes an 8 hour hiatus; I would assume he slept. He returns with his case against me. (Not going to quote it because it messes up my bbcode) As I have already refuted all his points, I will not do so again. The important point to note is that he seems to be fishing for scum in me where there is none. This makes it seem as though he wants to discredit me so that others will stop listening to what I have to say. Most of the issues he has with me are shared between various other people as well. It is truly odd that he chooses me as a target instead of the others. Am I dangerous to him in some way? If so, how? Another issue that may be useful later is his subtle defense of fyfy that worked wonders to nail me as an idiot for having voted him. Everyone fell for it, but for the time being, I have linked Spicy and fyfy as possible teammates. On June 25 2013 02:12 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 25 2013 01:23 Chromatically wrote:I've been feeling Tofu as town. His opinion about meta is really wierd, but I think it's town-based. Would scum be willing to stand out and draw so much attention to themselves for no reason by espousing an unpopular opinion? I don't think so. I don't like how conciliatory he is about his read on you ("I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that."), that feels like he's trying not to cause waves.In general though, he seems comfortable in-thread and he's freely posting. Also, On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote:
I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states.
In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment.
(It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game)
I think the first sentence shows a clear town urge to find scum. As scum, it would be easy to sheep Sponge's read on you. He feels that it's necessary to clarify his personal reasoning, though, which means that he's honestly thinking about who is scum. The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you. This is the nail in the coffin. Chromatically sums up succinctly why the town aspects of me outweigh the scum aspects, but Spicy deliberately highlights the scum aspects and emphasizes them to justify his reasoning. His silence on the town aspects of me indicates that he cannot refute those points, but he still refuses to take his vote off of me. Whether it be arrogance or a scum-tell, Spicy is definitely a suspicious individual that needs to be looked into. ##Vote: SpicyDinosaur Just want to put this out there, if you think spicy is scum fine, but please dont blue hunt, and if you do blue hunt dont post who you think is blue all that does is help scum not town.
Yeah...Xzavier is not going to flip scum
On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 02:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Even now, it is still possible that Xzavier lives because we only have 5 votes. We should try convincing hzflank or Alakaslam to switch their votes.
As I suspect the Mafia team is as follows...
Xzavier
SpicyDinosaur
Onegu
They are trying not to make it obvious that they want to keep Xzavier alive. You can see how they are frantically looking for other scapegoats to shift attention off of Xzavier, but don't have much of a case.
Furthermore, my preliminary assessment of Alakaslam speaks to an SK mindset. I will go into further detail when it becomes applicable on Day 2. To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me.
Don't vote for Stim:
On June 26 2013 02:21 Onegu wrote:
And stim played this exact way last noob game and was VT, I see him as VT this game and his lynch acomplishes nothing.
First mention of LoneMeow, although very non-commital:
On June 27 2013 00:47 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 00:29 Chromatically wrote:
Onegu, you had a scumread on Aqua all of day 1, posted a case on him, and then dropped it saying that "it wasn't that good". What's your read on Aqua and why did your opinion change? I still feel he is scum but I cannot prove it at this point, my thought process was if xzavier flipped scum to lead a bandwaggon on him but that isnt possible it is looking like. My scum team is Aqua Firm And either Alakaslam or lonemeow as the third leaning more toward alakaslam as the third.
Is trying to make a case on Aqua for the sake of it?
On June 27 2013 02:59 Onegu wrote:
I had no qualms about voteing aqua and was planning on voteing him today until the firmtofu case came up. As I said it didnt matter to me who was killed because I had a scum read on Aqua and a null read on xzavier but depending on how he fliped would focus my day 2 targets, I have said all along I want to lynch Aqua and still do. I cannot make a good case on him but I am trying and keep looking things over. But saying I didnt vote him because I am scum buddies is dumb, If not tofu today and it is between anyone and aqua my vote will go on aqua. But at this point firmtofu I can make a much stronger case on him.
Still think's Aqua is scum...
On June 27 2013 14:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 14:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On June 27 2013 14:15 Onegu wrote:
I will be filter diving again today. Btw we are so unlucky to lose parity cop night one as he is most likely the most powerful role. And again my apathy isnt a scum tell, I didnt care I posted I didnt care and I didnt hide. I will admit not voteing on a wagon looks bad but the way I did it isnt a scum tell. I wasnt hideing my opinion I was forthcomeing. I am going to look at stim and lonemeow close today. So you're off Alakaslam and Aqua now? No I am just looking for more reads. Firm aqua are my first 2 reads, my third read is still on alakaslam but isnt as strong as the first 2
And still......has a scum read on Aqua
On June 28 2013 01:38 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2013 01:28 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 01:24 Onegu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:32 FirmTofu wrote:On June 28 2013 00:11 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 27 2013 23:48 FirmTofu wrote:
@Spicy
After looking over my case on Onegu, what are your thoughts on him? Got a question on point 3: How do you pressure someone during a night cycle? Did you want him to make a new case on him? What were you expecting him to post? If he was sincere about his sentiment to vote aqua because of the way the lynch goes, then i would expect a case today or a damn good reason why he is backing off of that. Town has to maximize the night cycle to throw out all of their best scumreads so that in the event that they die, town will have the maximum possible information to work with from a sincere individual. If Onegu was town, he would have tunneled Aquanim instead of using an OMGUS tactic to discredit me. He, as town, should have already been convinced that Aqua was scum because of his statements the previous day that if Xzavier flipped town, Aqua was scum. Even though I accused him of being mafia, a town-focused Onegu would still consider Aquanim his best scumread instead of shifting attention onto me based on a flimsy case that relies on Day 1 reads that he could have just as easily made on Day 1 itself. I made a case on Aqua during the night, after I made it I went through your filter and made a case on you. I have in no way stopped on aqua, aqua even says during day 2 that I am tunneling him... Tunneling entails pushing for the lynch, not just criticizing his activities. Regardless, I suspect that you would be apathetic to a lynch between me or Aquanim, am I right? Actually yes I dont mind which of you is lynched as I have strong scum reads on both of you.
First time that he actually mentions Spicy?
On June 29 2013 01:33 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 01:28 Alakaslam wrote:On June 29 2013 01:26 Alakaslam wrote:On June 29 2013 01:23 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:On June 29 2013 01:15 hzflank wrote:On June 29 2013 01:09 Alakaslam wrote:On June 28 2013 22:06 hzflank wrote:On June 28 2013 21:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:Just caught up on 10 pages of thread. On June 28 2013 20:25 hzflank wrote:
So they happen to watch Hurricane, who happens to have a power role, who happens to use it on the same person that you pick to watch.
Specifically, we need to look at why the scum chose to track Hurricane. This is important.
Btw, it was no accident that our cop died on night 1. Look at Chromatically's filter, he was telegraphing cop. Unfortunately the town did not pick up on this a provide any cover (by acting like a cop). The scum picked up on it though and therefore they are obviously trying to work out who has roles. Thats a hell of a lot of coincidences. Also by reading thread has hurricane actually confirmed he visited alakaslam or are we just assuming it? Hurricane may be a strong hint but it can't be a confirmation because it is false! I did not like the way that he confirmed it, as you will read. However, Hurricane was my strongest town read and he was extremely tired at the time. you lie. Vote this guy in the Lylo! Where was the lie? Hurricane never confirmed this, never CONFIRMED- he simply told town do not jump to conclusions. Scum would push for my lynch so would misconstrue what Hurricane said because he is leading us right now. He has the most credence. On June 28 2013 18:38 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Could be, but is it likely? What's to stop the mafia from deducing that I was Watcher Onegu's target, and sending their Tracker into the thread to claim? Ebwop bbcode strikes again confirmed it. HI SCUM. This is NOT a CONFIRMATION at all! This may be a strong hint but it can't be confirmation because that is false! Hz thought he confirmed it I thought he confimed it and spicy thought he confirmed it, he used some really round about ways talking about it.
Town read on me still?
On June 29 2013 03:04 Onegu wrote:
I had a null to slight town read on him, I only comented on the case on him to say it was illogical but the points on aqua were good points. I had very little interaction with him at all.
This one requires a lot more analysing. At a guess, I would say it makes Aqua more likely town. Not sure what else.
On June 29 2013 03:30 Onegu wrote:
Scum reads:
Alakaslam
FirmTofu
And either Lonemeow or Stim
Null reads
Aqua, I still want to say he is scum but he is my main defender so I do not know.
Townreads
Hz
Hurricane
Spicy
If I am lynched today you have to lynch Alakaslam first as he will be confirmed scum, second look at the liar who has lied to people 2 times now to get the vote he wants, then you have to decide between stim, lone and aqua useing your best ability and who is still alive after night kills.
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On July 03 2013 03:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 03:36 hzflank wrote:Onegu's very first post On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:
You have to remember scum have a tracker
You are dead. Stay dead >: (
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On July 03 2013 04:27 StiMaDDict wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2013 03:53 Onegu wrote:On July 03 2013 03:36 hzflank wrote:Onegu's very first post On June 24 2013 12:52 Onegu wrote:
You have to remember scum have a tracker
You are dead. Stay dead >: (
But you're alive!
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Stim, I hope that you are getting up to date and will be posting soon.
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