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Hurricane Sponge
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
Right, sorry. LoneMeow suspects hz. I have NO idea where that would come from if you were playing this game from a Town perspective. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:57 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Also, in my opinion, LoneMeow is the 'safe' lynch. It's a policy lynch, sure. But there's a real case there, and it won't get you yelled at in Post-game. I agree with this up to a point... but the concept of 3-man LYLO with Spicy and StiM scares me a lot. If we decide to lynch into LoneMeow today, whoever dies tomorrow night had better leave StiM some very specific instructions. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/bba1aeeab815e47467704268a7d73299/tumblr_mf8c9nWc0L1r2v2xso1_500.jpg) [b]The members of town turn around to see a tiny little droid stumble out of the bushes. "Oh Aye-yiy-yi-yiyi!! They shot me. They really shot me! Aye-yi-yiyiyi!!"" It shouts before falling over. Hurricane Sponge the Alpha 5 -- Nosy Neighbor has been keeeeel'd Day 3 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] I understand that this deadline may be hard to meet for some because it's a big holiday in the states. If I receive a pm from each player remaining asking to shorten the time frame to 24hr voting cycle, then I will do that. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
@hzflank, I'm pretty sure I have a better townread on you than you do on me so I'm willing to let you call the shots. Of Spicy and LoneMeow, I think LoneMeow is probably the safer lynch as far as today goes - but I think it might be easier to get StiM on-side to lynch Spicy while you're still alive. If you're scum you've outplayed me and if StiM's scum I guess I'll just be pissed off. Although I just had a nasty thought... - StiM thought that Onegu was a tracker - Onegu was in fact a (scum) tracker Do you think that could have been a scumslip? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:21 Aquanim wrote: Although I just had a nasty thought... - StiM thought that Onegu was a tracker - Onegu was in fact a (scum) tracker Do you think that could have been a scumslip? meh I reread this and I think the answer's no. If StiM missed the part where Onegu actually claimed watcher (which was a pretty small post IIRC and didn't make a humongous splash until Alakaslam's claim) his position makes sense... kinda. I don't like the whole business much but, then again, that's nothing new. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
I already stated that I'll vote LoneMeow and Spicy. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 03 2013 11:21 Aquanim wrote: GG Hurricane, it's been fun. @hzflank, I'm pretty sure I have a better townread on you than you do on me so I'm willing to let you call the shots. Of Spicy and LoneMeow, I think LoneMeow is probably the safer lynch as far as today goes - but I think it might be easier to get StiM on-side to lynch Spicy while you're still alive. If you're scum you've outplayed me and if StiM's scum I guess I'll just be pissed off. Although I just had a nasty thought... - StiM thought that Onegu was a tracker - Onegu was in fact a (scum) tracker Do you think that could have been a scumslip? Does it matter if we lose today or tomorrow? I would prefer to finish it today, while I have some direct input. As long as no one disagrees. I will re-read the Stim stuff, but I suspect it is just due to the way Stim was catching up with the thread. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Okay. So for the last few days I have been trying to decided between Aqua and Spicy. The reason for this is that Aqua was the biggest driving force behind the Alakaslam mis-lynch, yet Spicy hopped on board casually and I just cannot get a good town on Spicy. In terms of where votes ended up (and their timing), neither Aqua or Spicy are more scummy than the other. The big voting thing that makes Aqua look more scummy is the timing of Onegu's unvote on day 1. However, betting everything based on the actions of confirmed scum is not a good idea. One of the most interesting parts of the game is the back and forth between Aqua and Onegu on late day 1 and early day 2. Is it scum-town or scum-scum? I think it is scum-town. Additionally, when you read this part of the thread Spicy makes posts that could either be scum or town (Tries to further explore a wagon on Firm, it goes no where so he lays groundwork for a possible wagon on Alakaslam). It looks like Chromatically suspected Spicy as scum. Obviously we know that Firm and now Hurricane suspected him. Aqua also had suspicions, and so do I. That is 4 confirmed town a 1 50/50 who have though Spicy scum for a long time, and three of them were night-killed. In particulat, Chromatically was killed while his top 2 scum reads seemed to be Onegu and Spicy (before the action deadline). As I continue to read, Onegu is really scrambling to avoid being lynched. At the time I did not realise that he was feeling the pressure that much. Anyway, he is still willing to lynch Aqua to save himself. That's a pretty bad scum-scum move imo, since even if he got a lynch on scum-Aqua, the scum team were in a worse position than they started in. Spicy repeatedly tries to remove pressure from Onegu, without applying any. Spicy is more experienced than me, yet even I applied some pressure as well as relieving some. LoneMeow makes a scummy appearance. Then Onegu claims. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On the whole, Aqua has played a good town game (or a good scum game). There are many things in Aqua's filter that scream Town at me. Spicy appears to have played a much better scum game than town game. There is just nothing in Spicy's filter that gives me a strong town read. On June 27 2013 10:18 Aquanim wrote: The point was made early in the thread that Spicy was playing defensively. I would rather term his play as "reactive". That is spot on. And when combined with: On July 02 2013 17:36 hzflank wrote: To conclude: I have been trying to lead a horse to the water, but since it refuses to drink I am now wondering if it is in fact a trojan horse. I cannot get into the head of a town-Spicy at all. I feel like I spent a long time screaming at Spicy to look at the Aqua-Lone scenario, but he refused to do so. He was focussed on the highly unlikely Aqua-Stim. Aqua did what you could call defending Lone in the early game. At the very least Aqua left connections between himself and Lone before Lone looked overly scummy. Spicy did not say a great deal about the non-scummy Lone, but once Lone was in a scum position Spicy refused to talk about the possibility of Lone being scum. If I were town in Spicy's position then I would have been attacking Aqua hard, and I would not brought Stim into it at all. I believe that Spicy was given every chance to solve the game in the case of an Aqua-Lone scum team, but he could not see it because Spicy is not looking at the game from a town point of view. From a scum point of view, Spicy did not see the need to bus Lone until it was too late. I realise that there are other possibilities such as Spicy-Aqua or the mysterious Stim. However, I really have spent far too much time on this game already. We cannot be 100% certain that I am correct, in fact we cannot even get close to certainty, but at some point we have to go for it and try to win. Aqua, if you are scum then well played, Sir. Stim, if you are scum then I am voting for you every single day in future games that I have with you. I am ready to vote for Spicy and follow up with a day 5 lynch on Lone. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Thank you to everyone involved in the game. It was new to me and I have certainly learned a lot. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
##Vote: Spicydinosaur | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
##Vote: Spicydinosaur | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 03 2013 22:39 StiMaDDict wrote: Whether your time spent in this game was worth or not, we shall soon see. Also sorry for playing a bad town but you won't have to vote me in the future. GG WP to you, sir. ##Vote: Spicydinosaur Any other way would of been boring anyway. We want to have to come back from a 4-3 LYLO after a day 1 mod-kill where we also mis-lynch, then have our cop killed night one and mis-lynch our only other power role day 2. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On July 03 2013 10:40 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Spicy's night 2 - day 3 - night 3 posting has done nothing to change my opinion of him. You'll note that I went hard after Aqua during night 2, and not Spicy. (In fact, I even offered up some bogus logic that Spicy would magically be confirmed Town in my eyes if I survived the Night.) This was done as a tandem effort with FirmTofu. Tofu had established himself as the most likely candidate to put pressure on Spicy, and I would be the public face of pressure on Aqua. Whoever died, it gives the town information. I lived, which helps exonerate Aqua. This makes little sense and does no way help to exonerate aqua. Tofu could have been killed for the purpose of making me look worse, as it evidently worked on you. We don't know why scum killed tofu the other night other than speculation. If i were scum why would i kill off tofu when it would make me look so much worse. On July 03 2013 19:43 hzflank wrote: I cannot get into the head of a town-Spicy at all. I feel like I spent a long time screaming at Spicy to look at the Aqua-Lone scenario, but he refused to do so. He was focussed on the highly unlikely Aqua-Stim. Aqua did what you could call defending Lone in the early game. At the very least Aqua left connections between himself and Lone before Lone looked overly scummy. Spicy did not say a great deal about the non-scummy Lone, but once Lone was in a scum position Spicy refused to talk about the possibility of Lone being scum. If I were town in Spicy's position then I would have been attacking Aqua hard, and I would not brought Stim into it at all. I believe that Spicy was given every chance to solve the game in the case of an Aqua-Lone scum team, but he could not see it because Spicy is not looking at the game from a town point of view. From a scum point of view, Spicy did not see the need to bus Lone until it was too late. I realise that there are other possibilities such as Spicy-Aqua or the mysterious Stim. However, I really have spent far too much time on this game already. We cannot be 100% certain that I am correct, in fact we cannot even get close to certainty, but at some point we have to go for it and try to win. How did i refuse to look at an aqua-lone scenario? i looked it up, saw there was a little bit of connection in their interaction but still believed a stim-aqua team was more likely? Lone didnt move up on my scum radar till he posted the case on you which i immediately stated i didnt like. He never followed up on my questions so why would i change my thought just based off of a case he made on you? If i were scum i would have jumped on lone as everyone else did. But i didnt, i stuck to my read on aqua-stim where i have shown a strong connection. I also dont see how night kills exonerates aqua in any way what so ever. Killing tofu just put more pressure on me which is exactly what scum wanted. We have a whole day and everyone is just playing into aqua's hands. Please dont let the night kill order be so persuasive that it clouds aqua's scummy filter. As most others think stim is town im voting for my second scum pick of aqua. ##vote Aquanim | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Spicydinosaur (3): hzflank, Aquanim, StiMaDDict Aquanim (1): Spicydinosaur Not Voting: LoneMeow Day 4 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 03 2013 23:53 Spicydinosaur wrote: Lone didnt move up on my scum radar till he posted the case on you which i immediately stated i didnt like. This is the problem. We were down to 5 players for the last 72 hours (Onegu and Hurricane did not count). Apart from yourself that is only 4 other players. If you were town then all 4 of them would have been on your scum radar. But you did not pro-actively scum hunt. You have played reactive to everything. On July 03 2013 23:53 Spicydinosaur wrote: As most others think stim is town im voting for my second scum pick of aqua. Regardless of whether you are town or scum that statement should not be true. You should be voting for Aqua because that was your only realistic chance of winning the game. It does not matter whether he is your first, second or seventy-seventh scum pick. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On July 04 2013 00:33 hzflank wrote: Spicy, I don't believe that I mentioned night-kills in my case. I never took them into consideration because it gets too WIFOM.. This is the problem. We were down to 5 players for the last 72 hours (Onegu and Hurricane did not count). Apart from yourself that is only 4 other players. If you were town then all 4 of them would have been on your scum radar. But you did not pro-actively scum hunt. You have played reactive to everything. Regardless of whether you are town or scum that statement should not be true. You should be voting for Aqua because that was your only realistic chance of winning the game. It does not matter whether he is your first, second or seventy-seventh scum pick. You didnt mention nks, hurricane did. How can you say i didnt hunt when i went through stim and aqua's filters to show their connection and continued to press on that. It almost seemed like you were the one fixated on lone and just shrugged off my connection as unlikely. I followed up with a post on a lone-aqua connection explaining why i didnt think it was likely and the stim-aqua was more likely. I didnt post a case on on you because i believed you were town. How is that not scum hunting compared to stim or lone? As for my "reactive posts"... ive been on the defensive ALL GAME from my initial posts. I make a ball busting joke back to chrom, its taken out of context and people claim im over defensive, then i defend xzavier because scum wouldnt act like that, he flips town and im the scummy one, i post a legitimate case on hurricane but im scum because AFTERWARDS he improves his game. ect ect ect. Aqua gets the mvp at this point for his scum play. I dont know how else to convince people to look at aqua. | ||
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