EPTOn July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
I believe hzflank is scum.
During day 1, he repeatedly claims he thinks Xzavier is town, yet ends up voting for him anyway with a relatively weak reasoning ("more likely to produce information" - you don't lynch for information if you have a scum read). Also switches his vote around quite a few times and plays the noob defense before anyone even accuses him of anything.
I believe hzflank is scum.
During day 1, he repeatedly claims he thinks Xzavier is town, yet ends up voting for him anyway with a relatively weak reasoning ("more likely to produce information" - you don't lynch for information if you have a scum read). Also switches his vote around quite a few times and plays the noob defense before anyone even accuses him of anything.
I did not have a good scum read. Why should I? How could you even expect my day 1 reads to be any good? In reality, I was the person who tried the hardest to move the wagon off of Xz. By the time I placed my vote it had already been decided and there was no town cred to be gained.
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't see any town motivation for claiming fyfy's flip being a bonus. Losing an extra player by essentially RNG during day 1 is horrible for town, and in this case it was even worse as fyfy had practically no association with any of the players so his flip did not give any useful information.
Almost like a slip, if you ask me.
I can't see any town motivation for claiming fyfy's flip being a bonus. Losing an extra player by essentially RNG during day 1 is horrible for town, and in this case it was even worse as fyfy had practically no association with any of the players so his flip did not give any useful information.
Almost like a slip, if you ask me.
Fyfy was almost a lurker. Once there was no counter-wagon to Xz, we were in a position where we would have been better off just policy voting a lurker (Stim). For a time I even moved my vote to a lurker, but people on the Xz wagon stated that that would not be willing to make a last minute vote switch. I was looking forward to seeing Fyfy's flip more than I was looking forward to seeing Xz's flip.
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Baiting Hurricane to enter WIFOM hell. Luckily Hurricane was smart enough not to bite.
Baiting Hurricane to enter WIFOM hell. Luckily Hurricane was smart enough not to bite.
It was not the best question, I admit. I wanted to know where Hurricane thought the important information was. Hurricane is not a player who needs to worry about WIFOM hell anyway, but if I had asked that question to Alakaslam it would have been particularly nasty!
On June 26 2013 14:48 hzflank wrote:
EBWOP
To clarify: I am NOT saying that a Vig should shoot aqua. A mis-kill would be disastrous, and I am not claiming him to be scum.
I was just thinking 'if this guy flipped now, what would it tell us'. And I realized that the town stands more to gain from an Aqua flip than anyone else. Aqua had the second wagon in day 1, and there is now a wagon forming on Onegu, who claims he will make his case on Aqua.
EBWOP
To clarify: I am NOT saying that a Vig should shoot aqua. A mis-kill would be disastrous, and I am not claiming him to be scum.
I was just thinking 'if this guy flipped now, what would it tell us'. And I realized that the town stands more to gain from an Aqua flip than anyone else. Aqua had the second wagon in day 1, and there is now a wagon forming on Onegu, who claims he will make his case on Aqua.
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
His early play contains a lot of trying to appease and claiming he's sorry for being so bad. This in itself isn't necessarily very damning, but will become more important later in this case.
His early play contains a lot of trying to appease and claiming he's sorry for being so bad. This in itself isn't necessarily very damning, but will become more important later in this case.
We are not losing this game due to bad luck. If we do not look at our own play, find mistakes and try to remove them from our play then we will not only lose this game but also future games. This is a newbie game so learning should be a big part of it.
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
During day 2 (before claims), defends Onegu and does a more or less useless vote on Stim without much reasoning. Note that a lot of his defense of Onegu is claiming to be responsible for Onegu's plight because of his bad play.
Redirecting blame to himself when he's not under any suspicion at the time.
After the claims he first votes Onegu, then switches to Alakaslam, while pretty much attacking and defending both speculatively.
During day 2 (before claims), defends Onegu and does a more or less useless vote on Stim without much reasoning. Note that a lot of his defense of Onegu is claiming to be responsible for Onegu's plight because of his bad play.
Redirecting blame to himself when he's not under any suspicion at the time.
After the claims he first votes Onegu, then switches to Alakaslam, while pretty much attacking and defending both speculatively.
I stick by my defence of Onegu on the basis that I did not believe that his day 1 voting apathy was a strong enough scum tell to justify an early day 2 vote on him.
My vote on Stim was not useless as it simultaneously put pressure on both Stim and Onegu.
On June 28 2013 10:28 Aquanim wrote:
(Thanks to hzflank for making the StiMaDDict wagon look convincing, btw.)
(Thanks to hzflank for making the StiMaDDict wagon look convincing, btw.)
On June 30 2013 02:15 hzflank wrote:
EBWOP
In addition that that: if you have a strong town read on someone then play with them. We can set people up as a team. I tried to do it yesterday with Aqua, twice.
The first time it worked and we put pressure on Onegu. The second time it failed (I expected either Hurricane or Aqua to switch their vote at the last second).
EBWOP
In addition that that: if you have a strong town read on someone then play with them. We can set people up as a team. I tried to do it yesterday with Aqua, twice.
The first time it worked and we put pressure on Onegu. The second time it failed (I expected either Hurricane or Aqua to switch their vote at the last second).
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
This is a gem. Forcing others to decide so he won't look bad no matter what way the flip goes. Then, once mislynch is clear, votes on Onegu to look good after the flip.
This is a gem. Forcing others to decide so he won't look bad no matter what way the flip goes. Then, once mislynch is clear, votes on Onegu to look good after the flip.
There was only a small amount of town cred to gain from such a move. I voted Onegu because:
On June 29 2013 10:38 hzflank wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong here:
Alakaslam flips red then:
Onegu is town
LoneMeow is town
Aquanim is town
Spicy is town
Hurricane is town
Correct me if I am wrong here:
Alakaslam flips red then:
Onegu is town
LoneMeow is town
Aquanim is town
Spicy is town
Hurricane is town
There had to be some scum on the Alakaslam wagon. Considering the order and the timing of the votes, scum did not need to bus Onegu as they could vote Alakaslam without drawing attention to themselves.
On June 29 2013 10:57 hzflank wrote:
Forum fail.
Votes went on in this order:
Aqua
Onegu
hzflank
Spicy
LoneMeow
Then hzflank unvotes, and Hurricane votes.
Forum fail.
Votes went on in this order:
Aqua
Onegu
hzflank
Spicy
LoneMeow
Then hzflank unvotes, and Hurricane votes.
I expected Hurricane or Aqua to switch their vote after I voted.
On June 29 2013 11:17 hzflank wrote:
Exactly. When I dropped that 4th vote on Onegu I was half-expecting Aqua or Hurricane to drop the hammer. Stim could not of know that they would not do this. Stim is likely town.
Exactly. When I dropped that 4th vote on Onegu I was half-expecting Aqua or Hurricane to drop the hammer. Stim could not of know that they would not do this. Stim is likely town.
On June 29 2013 11:31 hzflank wrote:
You want to know why I thought the hammer might go down on Onegu?...
Because less than an hour ago I was quizzing Stim because he mentioned roleblock claims. The next post was a 'public service announcement' from Hurricane. I thought that if Hurricane was town he realized why I asked and was leaving a breadcrumb for me. I thought that if Aqua was town he would noticed the connection.
I was waiting to see which of them switched their vote.
You want to know why I thought the hammer might go down on Onegu?...
Because less than an hour ago I was quizzing Stim because he mentioned roleblock claims. The next post was a 'public service announcement' from Hurricane. I thought that if Hurricane was town he realized why I asked and was leaving a breadcrumb for me. I thought that if Aqua was town he would noticed the connection.
I was waiting to see which of them switched their vote.
On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote:
Claiming veteran, before getting hit (but after starting to hint at it just a bit earlier). Why would that be a good idea? As vet, you want to be hit, and as early as possible. Now the appeasing play from earlier comes in. There's no reason for a vet to play that way.
I believe he claimed vet to have a good reason why he's going to survive to LYLO.
Claiming veteran, before getting hit (but after starting to hint at it just a bit earlier). Why would that be a good idea? As vet, you want to be hit, and as early as possible. Now the appeasing play from earlier comes in. There's no reason for a vet to play that way.
I believe he claimed vet to have a good reason why he's going to survive to LYLO.
I claimed Vet after the night action deadline passed. I did so because I thought that I would be Night-killed Night 2 and that FirmTofu would be night-killed night 3. We were both confirmed town in my eyes, and Hurricane is not confirmed town until Onegu flips. I tried to hint at FirmTofu to counter-claim Vet, so that when I was night-killed and did not flip Vet, the scum would seriously consider not shooting Firm on Night 3.
On June 30 2013 10:55 hzflank wrote:
Also, Firm, you should have countered
why did I use that phrase?
Also, Firm, you should have countered
why did I use that phrase?
Unfortunately I did not realise that scum hitting the Vet only changes the LYLO to MYLO, so it would not have been the most useful play anyway.
On June 30 2013 10:38 Aquanim wrote:
Even if scum hit the Veteran they still only need one mislynch to win. The only difference is that there will be one more townie and a confirmed townie in the game, who will probably die the next night.
hzflank, FirmTofu and Hurricane are the obvious shots for scum to take. They will need to take at least two shots between now and the next lynch that isn't Onegu.
Why would scum not shoot someone who might be the Veteran tonight and get it over with? If they happen to shoot the Veteran they can shoot him again and kill him before he gets to directly control the next day's real lynch discussions as a confirmed townie.
Even if scum hit the Veteran they still only need one mislynch to win. The only difference is that there will be one more townie and a confirmed townie in the game, who will probably die the next night.
hzflank, FirmTofu and Hurricane are the obvious shots for scum to take. They will need to take at least two shots between now and the next lynch that isn't Onegu.
Why would scum not shoot someone who might be the Veteran tonight and get it over with? If they happen to shoot the Veteran they can shoot him again and kill him before he gets to directly control the next day's real lynch discussions as a confirmed townie.
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