EPTWhat's your list? Why don't you think that it will line up with Hurricane's?
Why do you not care about Stim's vote? I withheld my vote because seeing where Stim put his vote is an absolutely vital piece of information.
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
What's your list? Why don't you think that it will line up with Hurricane's? Why do you not care about Stim's vote? I withheld my vote because seeing where Stim put his vote is an absolutely vital piece of information. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Onegu (5): Aquanim, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, StiMaDDict, Spicydinosaur No Lynch (1): Onegu Day 3 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Still posting from mobile fyi. my play all game has been townie. Early d1 tofu and I went at it for a few pages, greatly elevating my presence in the game. If I were scum id want to blend in a lot more. Same goes with my vote on hurricane and defense of xzavier. My logic on xzavier made sense. .. why would scum play like that. And added some meta thqt convinced me he was town. I also dont like how people are slamming my hurricane vote wfter the fact when he started to finally act townie. When the vote was on him he had nothinv but fluff and then a lurker vote. The onegu slam vote could have gone either way and I picked the one that had someone backing it up, the pick was wrong. As for lone, I talked about him during n1 where I said he flew under the radar. Couldnt pursue anything wbout him because d2 was all about slam and onegu. I have been a critic of onegu's vote switch and didnt feel he adequetly explained it. The fake claim threw me off because someone else backed it up. That's why I think its stim and aqua. Onegu and aqua were going at it and then aqua posts a big case on slam. Didnt make sense other than to defend a scum buddie. Stims late game postings means he can drop a vote and sheep a town explanation. I really dont like his level of activity. Couldlonre still be scum... possible. Just reading the connections between the suspects makes a stim aqua conn3ction more likely. Stim had a scum read on aqua after d1 and after aqua leads a lynch of a blue it drops down to a null. Just doesnt make sense. will be at family reunion all day but will try to post when I can | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 30 2013 23:23 hzflank wrote: I'll be specific. What's your list? Why don't you think that it will line up with Hurricane's? Why do you not care about Stim's vote? I withheld my vote because seeing where Stim put his vote is an absolutely vital piece of information. A different list bc of stim. the stim vote made no difference in the lynch as it was already secured. So scum stim can easily position himself on the other side for town cred knowing the misslynch went through. If he voted for the lynch he could just cit3e aquas reasoning. Its the lateness of thr vote and him asking obvious questions thqt were answered already in the thread | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I really wish everyone would take a hard look at how people voted day 2 The important thing is the timing of votes in relation to other people's votes. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:48 hzflank wrote: Thanks. We have plenty of time We have over 48 hours until I need to get my final thoughts in, so there is no rush. I really wish everyone would take a hard look at how people voted day 2 The important thing is the timing of votes in relation to other people's votes. I see it, too. | ||
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Hurricane Sponge
868 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On July 01 2013 00:54 Hurricane Sponge wrote: EBWOP: Wow, the mafia team really pops out at you when you do that. Nothing is confirmed, though. In theory any of us could be scum. There's just a couple of things we need to know to solve it, but we obviously cannot afford a mis-lynch to get that information. Therefore, we need people to post their thoughts (on anything and everything). I know this is not the most helpful thing, but I would rather not actually have to ask the question(s?) that I have, as if people happen to give up that information freely then we can solve it. So talk people. Ask me anything, if it helps. I am reserving the right to not answer certain questions, though. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:45 hzflank wrote: Nothing is confirmed, though. In theory any of us could be scum. There's just a couple of things we need to know to solve it, but we obviously cannot afford a mis-lynch to get that information. Therefore, we need people to post their thoughts (on anything and everything). I know this is not the most helpful thing, but I would rather not actually have to ask the question(s?) that I have, as if people happen to give up that information freely then we can solve it. So talk people. Ask me anything, if it helps. I am reserving the right to not answer certain questions, though. So your thinking I cant possibly be scum right? It just doesnt make since. I mean we already found out from firm tofu that lieing isnt a scum tell right? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Do you want to win this game? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/1341/ninjor.jpg) Onegu (5): Aquanim, Hurricane Sponge, hzflank, StiMaDDict, Spicydinosaur No Lynch (1): Onegu Not Voting: LeonMeow Ninjor is set to go battle mode on Onegu Day 3 ends in [unparsable timestamp format] If I receive a PM from every player by the end of the lynch with a preference to shorten Day 4 by 24 hours, then I will shorten the time period. Otherwise it will remain 48 hours for each day | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On July 01 2013 07:22 StiMaDDict wrote: I don't think shortening the day is a great idea but I'll consent to the majority. Well, if we'd agreed to shorten the day it would have ended three minutes ago... Also, what's the point in having a longer day if you're not going to say anything either way? Your best scumread, StiMaDDict. Please? | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
As for Spicy, I can't really tell if he is or he is not a scum, because he is playing a very much thought out and careful game. There is nothing solid of evidence that I can point to as a proof. I will this though, in the last game he played an excellent townie but I'm not getting that same feel in this game. Can elaborate further if you request. As for Aquanim, only looking at votes, cases and interactions, he is a scum. He voted for Xzavier and Alakslam. He has a bizzare relationship with LoneMeow. However he fucking talks a lot and he has strong opinions. So that's that.. | ||
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StiMaDDict
Korea (South)313 Posts
4th line second sentence - *I will say this though,... | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
Die, scum. ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
During day 1, he repeatedly claims he thinks Xzavier is town, yet ends up voting for him anyway with a relatively weak reasoning ("more likely to produce information" - you don't lynch for information if you have a scum read). Also switches his vote around quite a few times and plays the noob defense before anyone even accuses him of anything. On June 26 2013 08:37 hzflank wrote: We will also get Fyfy's flip, which is a bonus. I can't see any town motivation for claiming fyfy's flip being a bonus. Losing an extra player by essentially RNG during day 1 is horrible for town, and in this case it was even worse as fyfy had practically no association with any of the players so his flip did not give any useful information. Almost like a slip, if you ask me. On June 26 2013 14:19 hzflank wrote: EBWOP: @Hurricane Correction to that question: If you had to Vig kill someone tonight, but all players looked equally scummy, who would you shoot? Baiting Hurricane to enter WIFOM hell. Luckily Hurricane was smart enough not to bite. On June 26 2013 09:40 hzflank wrote: Sorry for moving me vote 4 times :/ On June 26 2013 21:08 hzflank wrote: I want to apologize for being really bad on day one. This is not me getting emo, that can wait until the end of the game. On June 27 2013 03:51 hzflank wrote: Sorry that last comment was actually a bit harsh. On June 28 2013 14:40 hzflank wrote: Again, it was horribly bad town play by me and I am sorry for that, but this is not a scum tell on Onegu. His early play contains a lot of trying to appease and claiming he's sorry for being so bad. This in itself isn't necessarily very damning, but will become more important later in this case. On June 28 2013 14:40 hzflank wrote: In response to Firm's case against Onegu. Firm, it's a bad case. You are convinced of his guilt so you are using anything you can to prove it. That's your style and that's fine, but you are not getting my vote for those reasons. Point 1: Fluffy reason. You are also looking for reasons to vote against Onegu that in hindsight you probably wont agree with. See my opening to this post. Point 2: Onegu's vote switch off of Aqua only makes Onegu look scum if Aqua is also scum. If Onegu knew Aqua and Xzavier he could just of left his vote on Aqua as it did not matter which of the two was lynched. In fact, Aqua was playing a better town game than Xzavier so lynching Aqua would have been better for the scum. If Aqua were scum then Onegu switch his vote at a time that ensured Xzavier would be lynched instead of Aqua, but I would have to be a fool to cast a vote today based on that Association. This is especially true because Aqua and I seem to have been thinking on similar lines for most of day 2, and one point I felt like we were almost masonned. Also, on page 22 you played a part in convincing Onegu to move his vote off of Aqua. You were pushing hard to get people to vote in the way you thought it best, just as you are today. That's not a bad thing as I think good town play requires conviction, but it also does not mean that your vote is in the right place. Point 3: I stopped Onegu's day 2 attacked on Aqua. It was really bad play by me. After re-evaluating my play I realise this but it's too late to change that now. I put Onegu in a position where he felt that he might need to vote against your inevitable case, and I was fairly clear that I would not be voting Aqua to be lynched today. I apologise, but your point 3 would be better in a case against me than it is in a case against Onegu. Point 4: Fluffy reason. The cases we were making against Aqua were weak and full of fluffy reasons. Once Onegu has moved his vote off of Aqua then his wagon was doomed to fail, and Onegu moving it back at that point would not of helped. I cannot read his mind to tell you exactly why he felt apathetic, but that feeling alone is not a strong scum tell. Point 5: My fault. During the night I made it look like I thought either you or Chromatically were scummy. You made it look like you were starting an early wagon on Onegu. It also looked like you had secured votes from Hurricane and Alakaslam, and there was even a reasonable chance of getting Aqua on board. Onegu needed my vote to save himself, so his best option was to attack you. Again, it was horribly bad town play by me and I am sorry for that, but this is not a scum tell on Onegu. Overall, I think Onegu seems scummier to you than the other players are you wanted to vote for him. You put a lot of effort into your case and found what you thought were the scummiest things possible about Onegu. Unfortunately, I don't think there was enough there to make a really strong scum case. After I finished reading your case I was not convinced that Onegu was town, and at the time of this post I am still not 100% convinced that Onegu is town. However, I was leaning town and I am now leaning even more town. On June 27 2013 14:20 hzflank wrote: In fact the [u]only thing that makes me want to vote for Stim is that I want him to have a different alignment to me, so that if I win then he loses. During day 2 (before claims), defends Onegu and does a more or less useless vote on Stim without much reasoning. Note that a lot of his defense of Onegu is claiming to be responsible for Onegu's plight because of his bad play. Redirecting blame to himself when he's not under any suspicion at the time. After the claims he first votes Onegu, then switches to Alakaslam, while pretty much attacking and defending both speculatively. On June 29 2013 01:51 hzflank wrote: You think that I have the deciding vote? Fair enough. ##Unvote Scum, get on board and defend your team mate, because I am not placing my vote until the last second. This is a gem. Forcing others to decide so he won't look bad no matter what way the flip goes. Then, once mislynch is clear, votes on Onegu to look good after the flip. On June 30 2013 10:05 hzflank wrote: If I am reading this right then I am about to be shot by scum, which means that no one dies tonight. Claiming veteran, before getting hit (but after starting to hint at it just a bit earlier). Why would that be a good idea? As vet, you want to be hit, and as early as possible. Now the appeasing play from earlier comes in. There's no reason for a vet to play that way. I believe he claimed vet to have a good reason why he's going to survive to LYLO. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
In reality though, the best information is in the very first line. On July 01 2013 18:01 LoneMeow wrote: I believe hzflank is scum. | ||
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