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I. Nightkills
Okay, I want to talk about the nightkills really quick:
Kurumi and Wriggles are good players but not the most valauable ones. However they played a good d1 and established their innocence very well. Kurumis jokes and wriggles odd mason-plan made me put them on my green list. Gigays is someone I didn't even notice so far.
Obviously the scumteam decided to kill rather green-looking people than the more obvious choices like foolishness etc.
II. Lynching WBG?
As for wbg as a lynchtarget: He is one of the worst targets I could think of.
He was the only person that build a real case on day1. The Palmarlynch was in retrospec a justifiable lynch. I joined WBG there and I think we didn't leave out any important things. Palmars play this game was different and he didn't make any sense. If you want to lynch WBG or me for being wrong you're just dumb.
As long as WBG is making sense and he doesn't defend someone for bad reasons or push a lynch with bad reasons AND as long as he's active as he is right now, we have no reason to lynch him.
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On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum?
Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared.
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III. Kurumi / Kenpachi
On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote:
I've gotta get to work, but:
1) The filter list on the OP post seems to have vanished. If you guys could get it back up, that would be tits.
2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack.
So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day.
okay, that's something we can work with.
On January 15 2012 07:06 Kurumi wrote:
fml
Kenpachi has been marked for death!
At first, I cannot believe how often Kurumi is a vig. He's almost every game I play with him some kind of vig. I bet he asks the hosts to be vig individually :D
Okay, I thought about this situation and I remember a game like 6 months ago where Kurumi was vig and said he wants to shoot me and shot palmar instead (we were both town back then lol). The first moment I read Ls post, I thought it's the same this time. And I do think it possibly is, if noone counterclaims anything.
However the current scenario has one difference to the situation back then. In the 6-months-ago game Kurumi claimed vig before. This time he just "marked Kenpachi for death".
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On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared.
On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.
2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.
3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.
So you think he knew that he has no real chance to get into office?
Do you furthermore think that scum shot Cyriandor themselves?
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On January 16 2012 23:47 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.
2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.
3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.
So you think he knew that he has no real chance to get into office? Do you furthermore think that scum shot Cyriandor themselves?
I think a vig shot Cyr. Sandroba has no problems with calling out a team mate. He was all over Annul from day 1 on in XXXVIII.
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On January 17 2012 00:03 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 23:47 supersoft wrote:On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote:On January 16 2012 18:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway, for the world outside of Scamp, I have some pressing questions I want answered while I'm asleep:
Jackal58: I agreed with everything you said day 1, which is either really good or really bad. What are your thoughts right now? Who's scum? Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote:
Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread:
1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected.
2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg.
3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by.
So you think he knew that he has no real chance to get into office? Do you furthermore think that scum shot Cyriandor themselves? I think a vig shot Cyr. Sandroba has no problems with calling out a team mate. He was all over Annul from day 1 on in XXXVIII.
okay right. And what do you think about kurumi/kenpachi? Do you think the vig that shot cyriandor should claim?
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Kurumi always gets in Kenpachi's shit. So I think nothing of it. It's kind of like Troll Wars.
And yes if he was a one shot Vig claim. If he was a jack keep his mouth shut.
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okay. That makes sense. I support your points about sandroba and kenpachi/kurumi.
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@BC LOL man you could have redacted a few parts from that shit that I don't even remember talking about.
WBG, supersoft and toadstem need to get off my balls. My weekends are pretty busy and I did my best with the little time I had. I don't even know why the fuck you are calling me mafia on the first place.
As for who I think is mafia I got GGQ, Jackal and rgtICEMAN. I'm going to read dead guy's filters before I choose which one to push today, but they could very easily be all mafia. Brb.
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Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia.
##Vote: GGQ
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@ss I'm here right now ask me anything and vote GGQ.
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These are my thoughts on various players:
rgTheSchworz: quite aggressive; uses all caps; promises to deal with gcq, but does not folow up; FOSes palmar, but says to wait till day 2 to lynch him, asks others to do the behavioral analysis while saying it is only a few posts, so it should be quick (so why didnt you do it yourself?).
list of people he wanted to lynch and didnt follow up on: protactinium (even supported him for promising to kill ciry), bumatlarge, ciry
consistent candidates: risk.nuke (but lately he seemed to have switched to macpo) and macpo.
He also says that sandroba breadcrumbed blue, followed by saying sandro is suspicious.
His play is certainly inconsistent, I'm not sure if he is scum (because I give him the benefit of the doubt as newbie), but I would agree with a lynch on him if he doesnt change his play.
sandroba: has actively pushed for ciry lynch, promises to not lynch any vet, proceeds to lynch palmar anyway. His targets for day 2 are ggq, jackal and iceman, all three have not been very active/contributed few things. Leaning scum, but not sure.
scamp: becomes very active when being accused, aggressive/dismissive. Still, null read for me right now.
ggq: posts quite aggressive and short, but wherebugsgo and palmar made similar posts. I leaned scum, but null read right now.
Note to self: I shouldnt only look into players that are aggressive ..
There are other players that have been accused, but I I havent made up my mind on them yet.
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On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia.
##Vote: GGQ
He isnt as disruptive as you want to make us believe he is. He is essentially doing the same thing palmar has done, i.e. shitting on plays that he thinks are bad. That doesnt make him the most pleasant to work with, but still no scum.
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btw. I am just thinking about nisani:
On January 14 2012 12:16 Nisani201 wrote:
I would recommend against a Palmar lynch. The argument against him is entirely meta-based, and as such should not be used as the basis of an argument.
However I would like to see him post more.
Well you know the point is, if you defend someone, you have to defend him in this individual case and not only say something like that this method of finding scum is bad in general and therefor the case is.
I want to hear some personal thoughts.
This makes me believe you're scum nisani. If you know that Palmar is town, you don't need to explain why you think that.
From your scumpoint of view it's okay to critisize the methods, because you already know the result.
Someone from a townPOV (there were several people who did that) posts something like: "he's probably lazy" or "has a bad day" you know? Something he experiences himself. Especially a player like you.
Where did you make that experience that cases based on meta are bad?
Palmar/syllogism killed Curu last game completely based on meta.
On January 15 2012 11:04 Nisani201 wrote:
ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i pressed post by accident...
Anyways, WBG, a case based entirely on meta IS invalid. If Palmar acts like this in D2, we can treat him like a lurker. We should all expect scumhunting from him tomorrow, but until then, the case on him is stupid.
okay, you're pushing your "read" a little bit stronger. I like that "stupid". However you're not sharp enough (can I say that?) in your reasoning.
On January 15 2012 11:13 Nisani201 wrote:
It's pointless to scumhunt on D1 with elections because no one is really getting lynched anyways. If he decided to scumhunt with correct reads, that would make him a mafia target anyways.
That's why we should keep an eye on him on D2.
mhm... doesnt make much sense...
On January 15 2012 11:14 Nisani201 wrote:
supersoft why did you just quote something from another game? O.o
On January 15 2012 11:24 Nisani201 wrote:
WBG have you been reading the thread?
BC, Sandroba, and Ciryandor are much better candidates that have a much better chance of flipping scum than Palmar.
actually I think you're scum nisani. Listing one fellow scumteammember at the last position in a row of three people doesnt make it better. Your defense of palmar isn't really good. You give no reasons. All you say is meta is bad.
That's not enough to convince anyone. I think you were trying to gain towncred from that story.
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On January 17 2012 02:07 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 01:58 sandroba wrote:
Alright gotta go with GGQ. He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. Mafia wants to be ignored while putting in seeds of doubt in peoples head that are hard to trace back to the original source. And that's GGQ's play. He is mafia.
##Vote: GGQ He isnt as disruptive as you want to make us believe he is. He is essentially doing the same thing palmar has done, i.e. shitting on plays that he thinks are bad. That doesnt make him the most pleasant to work with, but still no scum.
I kind of agree with that...
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I never said he is disruptive. I said he is avoiding the spot light and subtly spreading doubt whenever he posts. And yes I thought palmar was scum and out of the people BC had as an option he was definitely the best bet at the time. If I had been elected I'd probably still lynch ciryandor and try to get palmar lynched today, but that's not what happened.
I think you are purposely misrepresenting shit I say. Why is that?
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On January 17 2012 01:26 sandroba wrote:
@BC LOL man you could have redacted a few parts from that shit that I don't even remember talking about.
WBG, supersoft and toadstem need to get off my balls. My weekends are pretty busy and I did my best with the little time I had. I don't even know why the fuck you are calling me mafia on the first place.
As for who I think is mafia I got GGQ, Jackal and rgtICEMAN. I'm going to read dead guy's filters before I choose which one to push today, but they could very easily be all mafia. Brb.
We need to learn a new dance man.
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Is it just me, or is that some timing? Just as Sandroba decides GGQ as his vote
On January 17 2012 02:02 Chaosquo wrote:
ggq: posts quite aggressive and short, but wherebugsgo and palmar made similar posts. I leaned scum, but null read right now.
BAM! SOFTDEFEND
So I took a look at Chaosquo's Filter
On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:18 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2012 14:56 Protactinium wrote:On January 13 2012 14:26 Ciryandor wrote:
/confirm
LOL I won't vote for Kitaman after XLVIII's disaster. He was an absolute derp in that. Waiting for people to put in a serious campaign with a decent policy. This is why I'm waiting for Mr. Wiggles and Cyber_Cheese to provide us with good reasons; and right now, Wiggles has the best campaign of the lot.
I of course wonder if Sandroba or Palmar will try to get to the elections again. I'm running for mayor on the platform of lynching Ciryandor. There's no way you seriously think Mr. Wiggles has the best campaign. Hey I agree with this guy, so I'm voting him. I am very much a fan of killing Ciryandor. What is it with Ciryandor? 1 Palmar, are you now trolling us? I agree with Toadesstern that a) you are mafia and dont care about the game or b) you have a special tactic, but randomly accusing him does not help .. 2Wiggles: Does your post mean you are stepping down as candidate? 3On that topic, could all people that are serious in their campaign make it clear? For me, right now there are: BC, BM(?), kitaman and risk.nuke. I think the number of candidates has to be limited to enable a clearer choice.
On January 14 2012 01:44 Chaosquo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 01:32 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 01:27 Chaosquo wrote:
a) you are mafia and dont care about the game Prove it. I was just commenting on your playstyle. I was just following the meta on you (town=vocal, scum=lurking), but seeing as you were quite active as "scum" in resistance, I retract my statement. But still posting one-liners is not helping much, no? 24
On January 14 2012 01:46 Chaosquo wrote:
I have to ask: Is the kill Ciry thing a meta thing? Because I didnt see much scummy things from him.1
On January 14 2012 08:38 Chaosquo wrote:
I still think BC is quite towny, as he put himself quite into the spotlight and his posts didnt raise suspicions. I just cannot imagine he would risk his quite good shot at an elected role by claiming mason if he was scum. Therefore, I think for the time I'm going to vote BC for mayor. I could be totally outplayed, but so be it. Or maybe I put too much value into an elected scum.
I am a new player5, so I can imagine that good scum team can manipulate a inexperienced player, but he will probably only influence the game with his single vote (if he's green), so I can see why masons staying hidden is advantageous for town.
Also, since I got ignored the first time, why is there so much hate towards Ciry?1 I dont think his posts are very scummy, but there are 3 people (sandroba, proactinium and sheth) pushing for his lynch. I also dont think this alone is a scumtell, but its still pretty irritatiting ..
1 - Protects Ciryandor multiple times.
2 - Casts doubt on both Palmar
3 - And Wiggles
4 - Apologetic
5 - Calls attention to his inexperience
##Vote Chaosquo
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hahahaha nice find lol. okay
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