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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
February 28 2012 14:32 GMT
#1621
There is so much anti-town shit going up in here.

Dirkzor, according to you, Dr.H has so nothing in the past eight hours.


On February 27 2012 08:10 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 27 2012 07:47 Dirkzor wrote:
On February 27 2012 07:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 27 2012 07:23 layabout wrote:
Toad, how could he answer your question?

he's not supposed to. It was rhetorical and I'm just saying it looks really strange that we have not a single suspicious guy flipping because of vigs.
At least both syllo and Jackal look like mafia work.


I disagree: Jackal could very well have been a Town vig... Jackal is hard to read and he havent really been Mr. Helpful.

If a vig hit Jackal I think they might as well claim so


Agree. My point was basicly that I can't find a reason for scum to shoot jackal so I think it was a town hit.



On February 28 2012 02:35 Dirkzor wrote:
Only private? I was sergeant in real life =/

Is that list in order of who lurks the most?


On February 28 2012 06:10 Dirkzor wrote:
I'll do a short Q&A for you guys.

Q: Is DrH's filter long?
A: There is not a precise answer to that. That depends on game length, game type and what you define as long. But the purpose of this Q&A the answer would be: Yes. 6 pages and counting.

Q: Have DrH called anyone scum?
A: Yes. As a matter of fact he have.

Q: How many have he called scum?
A: Let me see... *counting counting* Lets say more then a handful.

Q: Have DrH made cases for any of these so called scum players?
A: Oh yes. He very much have. He have made 3 big ones at least. On RoL, Dirk and VE.

Q: Have DrH actively pushed for a lynch for any of these people.
A: No.

Q: Why not? If he think they are scum why not try to convince others so they'll hang?
A: No one knows. DrH works alone and in mysterious ways. It would be normal town play to do so.

Q: Is he scum himself then?
A: What a observant questioneer. He might.



On February 28 2012 18:47 Dirkzor wrote:
Prplhz why do you want to remove focus from the players who are currently lynchtargets?

First you tried with Tyrran and no one supported you so now you want to lynch chaoser?



On February 28 2012 19:04 Dirkzor wrote:
You're inconsistent. You say that we should be able to get a decent read. Then you say you can't see any of them as scum. Are they all town then?



On February 28 2012 19:14 Dirkzor wrote:
While I was sleeping DrH have accomplished to add 2-3 more page to his filter without saying anything. He have called 6+ player scummy but made no cases or really pushed for their lynch. He called out toad for cluttering up the thread but continued to do so himself the same way he have done earlier.

##Vote DrH



I just copy and pasted the entire last page to you're filter. It was painful, but I did it anyway.

Save the last two posts (which are attacking a player who is actively contributing to the town) you have given us absolutely nothing.
Nothing.

All of the shit near the top is fluff. You are speculating (much like I was) but you were building on it. Trying to take off with it and run, and push it deeper into the ground. Looking back, I was lost and trying to contribute to the thread somehow, but you try to almost ENCOURAGE this kind of shit, and make it look like you are at least trying to contribute.

Then, when the speculation is over, you stop and disappear.

Then you post a fucking Q&A that leads you to the conclusion that you have a null read on DrH. But, the point of the entire thing is to discredit whatever DrH is saying.

wat

Then later on, you do the same thing, only more boldly. You actually vote for him. With a shoddy case at that.

Probably with the worst reasoning possible in my book. Because his filter is long?? You're case is actually based on the fact that his filter...is long. In his "Q&A" he says that he can't get a read on DrH. Then 4 votes later, posts that he thinks that DocH is scum and wants him dead.

I asked DrH is he thought that Toades and Dirkzor could be mafia together. I find it a bit humerous that as DrH is attacking Toad, Toad is sitting here defending himself and trying to look at other people...while Dirkzor comes in and tries to discredit and actually votes to lynch DrH.

Chainsaw Defense much?

Toades
Dirkzor
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 14:40 GMT
#1622
Jitsu, when and where did You ask DrH? Could You quote it or something? Or at least paraphrase?
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Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
February 28 2012 14:43 GMT
#1623
On February 28 2012 12:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:18 Jitsu wrote:
Doc, are you quite certain that if Toades is killed, Dirk isn't mafia? And visa verse?

I think it's feasible that both players flipped red this game.

Toad has been scummy for the larger part of the game - half the shit he's doing doesn't see town driven to me. I keep going back to the one post he made trying to totally absolve himself of Blazinghand flipping town. That shit is not town driven. At all. And if it is town driven, it's flawed at that.

You vote because you think someone is scum. Not because you want to train with the rest of the town and cross you're fingers that he's now telling the truth. I thought he fake-claimed. In fact, I was pretty sure it was a fake-claim. I'll own it. I fucked up on reading him as scum. Toad wants to take no blame for it though.

Also, where the shit has Cwave gone. Replaces Risk.nuke. Posts once. Gone.


I see no reason to believe that Dirk and Toades can't be together on a scumteam

Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 14:49 GMT
#1624
Thanks Jitsu.

The D1 lynch could be a goldmine... Sneaky anti-town powers.
Three lynch candidates, one proven Town thanks to second lynch, the target is missing and BC being second.
I think RoL lynch is the worst we have at the moment.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 14:55 GMT
#1625
BTW we're looking for 3 scum. If I were to guess who'd bus him d1 and appear on his voting list..
It'd be WBG.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 14:56 GMT
#1626
I'm going to cut in here.

Why are we only looking for 3 scum?

Who would bus who day1 and appear on who's voting list?

What?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 15:07 GMT
#1627
On February 28 2012 23:56 prplhz wrote:
I'm going to cut in here.

Why are we only looking for 3 scum?

Who would bus who day1 and appear on who's voting list?

What?

Because redFF was scum.
WBG would bus redFF.
Hey BC, how was it being the second in the lynch race D1? Would they cover up Your body?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 15:09 GMT
#1628
So now you are assuming out of the blue that redFF was scum and then you are saying that wherebugsgo is scum becaused he bussed him.

I am not insane and polish and this is very hard for me to understand.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 15:10 GMT
#1629
If this was a bus then why the fuck did scum hide redFF's flip?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 15:16 GMT
#1630
On February 29 2012 00:10 prplhz wrote:
If this was a bus then why the fuck did scum hide redFF's flip?

It's not a full-out bus, that'd make no sense. Although, it makes perfect sense to plant one of Your members on it for late game purposes. Also, it makes a lot more sense to hide scum flip than town flip. With scum flip hidden, the ties between players can't be read.
Another one:
You are given oneshot ability to hide a flip. Would You rather waste it on D1 town lynch or save it for D3 scum lynch?
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 15:28 GMT
#1631
I retract saying that RoL is our worst lynch.
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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 28 2012 15:40 GMT
#1632
On February 29 2012 00:10 prplhz wrote:
If this was a bus then why the fuck did scum hide redFF's flip?


Anything that causes us to have doubts or uncertainties is something the scumteam would very much like to achieve right?
Redff not flipping did just that by the looks of it. No real conclusion concerning his alignment can be made.
Other then that an ability that hides a flip isn't in the interest of our town i think so the assumption that's it's some sort of scumbased move is a fair one.
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 15:42 GMT
#1633
You are just assuming stuff about one shot abilities. We don't know anything about the janitor besides that fact he was scum.

It makes sense for scum to hide flips in contested lynches and the day1 lynch was very contested. Town was very polarized and there were last minute vote switches. They could spin the lynch whichever way they wanted, they could hope that town would disintegrate in meaningless discussion about the flip instead of talking about the next lynch.

You can't just say that he was scum because the flip was hidden, because that was done by scum. You need to look at the things he wrote and how he wrote it.

And you can't just assume that wherebugsgo was the only one on that lynch who was asshole enough to be voting for redFF. Here are the votes for redFF at the lynch:

RebirthOfLeGenD
Kitaman27
Wherebugsgo
chaoser
BloodyC0bbler
layabout
Jitsu
DoctorHelvetica

Point out one of these who couldn't bring himself to soft-bus redFF. redFF pretty much quit after the first part of day1 and people could have asked in the QuickTopic if they were in doubt. Meh, you are being very unreasonable.
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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 28 2012 15:42 GMT
#1634
##vote RebirthOfLegend
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 15:43 GMT
#1635
@Cwave Care to elaborate?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
February 28 2012 15:51 GMT
#1636
On February 29 2012 00:43 prplhz wrote:
@Cwave Care to elaborate?


He is the only real scumread i have at the moment after catching up.
Post a couple of big walls of texts and only really hits it off with DrH.
Then when people pressure him, he emo's out and gives up.

I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#1637
Hey, RoL, Kita, BC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762
1) Same amount of players
2) N0 start and no flips.
3) 4 scum with 1 KP
4) "Hard" (I sucked this game.)
5) Weird roles.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 16:09 GMT
#1638
I'd rather lynch prplhz first though.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 28 2012 16:55 GMT
#1639
Okay lets lynch god damn Tyrran.

His filter shows him not putting any effort into the game at all. Compare to Steamship Liquidia where he actually tries to do anything. Also, his filter looks like he's just skirting by, he doesn't attempt to have any influence on the game at all.

This post he unvotes Blazinghand because of a really bad unsubstantiated reasonable and then votes RebirthOfLeGenD just to pressure him. He shows that he has reason to believe that Toadesstern is scum but instead he opts to just pressure vote RebirthOfLeGenD in the most half assed way.

After this he doesn't stop the pressure on RebirthOfLeGenD. Instead he starts insisting that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum but this doesn't correlate with how he is pushing him. He doesn't write cases or ask people for anything. He actually stops even trying to appear to be actively contributing after he apparently figures out that RebirthOfLeGenD is scum and that town is wrong and is being lead astray.

He's also French.

Yeah.

But seriously, this guy is pretty scum. He's not trying to get noticed or step on anybody's toes, always picking easy targets while trying to stay out of any troubles at all, and so far he's only gotten by because people are giving him a lot of leash because he was bad in another game. What I'm seeing here isn't just bad, it's not giving a shit about town.

##Vote Tyrran



@Kurumi You suck.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 28 2012 16:56 GMT
#1640
I am just carrying small stones and setting them up for an avalanche.
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