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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 20:39 GMT
#141
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 21 2011 21:02 GMT
#142
On January 22 2011 05:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Go ahead and lynch me so you can get no information what so ever, now you're really being stupid and playing horribly. Either way, still at work, then I have school tonight, so I won't be able to post till like 10pm Eastern.
Life?
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 21 2011 21:12 GMT
#143
Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!


Aside from not posting much, I don't know how I feel about shockeyy. i'm going to stick to my vote on pandain. Why go for someone he supports when you can just go for the main target. His jumping around on votes really makes me suspicious.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 21 2011 21:23 GMT
#144
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
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On January 21 2011 12:17 GGQ wrote:
On January 21 2011 11:24 Pandain wrote:
Because mafia will never go inactive.

As for pressuring them....
For example, we can threaten to lynch people. When for 2 days in a row you only say "I'm busy", that's unnacceptable, and we lynch them. As of now though there is no one I would consider truly "inactive inactive." There really the only way to differentiate is by lynching them, such as soulfire and george clooney, who wouldn't talk even if pressured.

But no one is doing that now. So for now, lynching "inactives" is not what we should be doing.


You literally just finished XXV where two mafia were modkilled for inactivity...

And we don't want to be voting those who we modkill anyway, no?

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 17:08 Barundar wrote:
Meh now jumping to another target Pandain? Pressure doesn’t work if it isn’t real, and you basically just switched because Nemesis makes one post arguing against you. I like that you are being offensive, but it has to serve it's purpose, and right now you are all over the place.

Hesmyrr, do you still think your vote on BC is justified, and who else would you vote for now?

I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.

And BC, I'm expecting alot out of you this game. You're certainly the most experienced one here, yet as of now have hardly said anything of real substance.



Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Thats your problem. Stop expecting vets to perform and win games and learn to do it yourself. I was asked to join this game, and I am playing, but compared to pyp I am not solo winning this game. I am here purely to help town win, but I am not doing all the heavy lifting. I told you already where the days errors were, and how to redirect them, its now up to you guys to listen or not listen. Its your call.
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 21 2011 21:37 GMT
#145
On January 22 2011 06:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
On January 21 2011 12:17 GGQ wrote:
On January 21 2011 11:24 Pandain wrote:
Because mafia will never go inactive.

As for pressuring them....
For example, we can threaten to lynch people. When for 2 days in a row you only say "I'm busy", that's unnacceptable, and we lynch them. As of now though there is no one I would consider truly "inactive inactive." There really the only way to differentiate is by lynching them, such as soulfire and george clooney, who wouldn't talk even if pressured.

But no one is doing that now. So for now, lynching "inactives" is not what we should be doing.


You literally just finished XXV where two mafia were modkilled for inactivity...

And we don't want to be voting those who we modkill anyway, no?

On January 21 2011 17:08 Barundar wrote:
Meh now jumping to another target Pandain? Pressure doesn’t work if it isn’t real, and you basically just switched because Nemesis makes one post arguing against you. I like that you are being offensive, but it has to serve it's purpose, and right now you are all over the place.

Hesmyrr, do you still think your vote on BC is justified, and who else would you vote for now?

I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.

And BC, I'm expecting alot out of you this game. You're certainly the most experienced one here, yet as of now have hardly said anything of real substance.



Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Thats your problem. Stop expecting vets to perform and win games and learn to do it yourself. I was asked to join this game, and I am playing, but compared to pyp I am not solo winning this game. I am here purely to help town win, but I am not doing all the heavy lifting. I told you already where the days errors were, and how to redirect them, its now up to you guys to listen or not listen. Its your call.


Alright, didn't know you were purposely going to not be as active as you were in pyp3.

Since I really don't know who to lynch, I'm just going to stick with the Shockkey lynch. Because while I don't think he's mafia, I'm unsure about everyone. And at the very least, there is merit in lynching lurkers, as he has himself addmitted to be one. I think he's been to "I'm town screw off", but as for right now no one else comes to mind.

##Unvote BC
##Vote Shockkey

BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
January 21 2011 21:40 GMT
#146
On January 22 2011 06:37 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 06:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
On January 21 2011 12:17 GGQ wrote:
On January 21 2011 11:24 Pandain wrote:
Because mafia will never go inactive.

As for pressuring them....
For example, we can threaten to lynch people. When for 2 days in a row you only say "I'm busy", that's unnacceptable, and we lynch them. As of now though there is no one I would consider truly "inactive inactive." There really the only way to differentiate is by lynching them, such as soulfire and george clooney, who wouldn't talk even if pressured.

But no one is doing that now. So for now, lynching "inactives" is not what we should be doing.


You literally just finished XXV where two mafia were modkilled for inactivity...

And we don't want to be voting those who we modkill anyway, no?

On January 21 2011 17:08 Barundar wrote:
Meh now jumping to another target Pandain? Pressure doesn’t work if it isn’t real, and you basically just switched because Nemesis makes one post arguing against you. I like that you are being offensive, but it has to serve it's purpose, and right now you are all over the place.

Hesmyrr, do you still think your vote on BC is justified, and who else would you vote for now?

I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.

And BC, I'm expecting alot out of you this game. You're certainly the most experienced one here, yet as of now have hardly said anything of real substance.



Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Thats your problem. Stop expecting vets to perform and win games and learn to do it yourself. I was asked to join this game, and I am playing, but compared to pyp I am not solo winning this game. I am here purely to help town win, but I am not doing all the heavy lifting. I told you already where the days errors were, and how to redirect them, its now up to you guys to listen or not listen. Its your call.


Alright, didn't know you were purposely going to not be as active as you were in pyp3.

Since I really don't know who to lynch, I'm just going to stick with the Shockkey lynch. Because while I don't think he's mafia, I'm unsure about everyone. And at the very least, there is merit in lynching lurkers, as he has himself addmitted to be one. I think he's been to "I'm town screw off", but as for right now no one else comes to mind.

##Unvote BC
##Vote Shockkey



dude the level of commitment and level of play required to win pyp3 is retarded. I have never had to play that hard as town period. In a game where you are playing vs mafia and sk, you should not also be worried about town offing you when your role is clearly town aligned.

As such I just refuse to do that every game, I think for obvious reasons. Games are not fun if your the only one working for the in. However, I will do my best to steer bad conversations back on track, and once day 2 hits spend time analyzing people. By then patterns will have formed and at least one red will have stuck his head out too far.

#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 21 2011 22:58 GMT
#147
Alright, reading all of the posts from top to bottom. Hopefully there will be some analysis-worthy ones in the midst.

Bunch of inactive/active discussion and random votes; all null tells.

      GMarshal
Two things to note:
1) "So for now I'm going to go ahead and help Pandain pressure" is awfully convenient reason to join a bandwagon. I mean, joining bandwagon for pressure reason isn't that bad, but it is when someone specifically state their reasoning along with such vote I begin to raise eyebrows. Could be attempt to decrease personal responsibility, and is enough for me to think of the vote as scummy.

2) It is always good idea to pay attention to someone who suggest ideas detrimental to the town such as no lynch.

Minus townie points.

      BloodyC0bbler
I actually like this post somewhat. On first sight this is one of those another advice or reiterate the obvious post that run rampant in day 1 (and they are essentially null tells as they can be either from mafia seeking town credit or townie actually wanting to be helpful), but he is the first one to advise the town that they should shift focus of discussion to the players.

That's all good, but it is noteworthy he himself is not doing anything to promote said discussion. He clearly knows what to do. If he does not actively talk about specific individuals the time I finish reading this thread, I'd be keeping a very good watchful eye on him.

Group of people parroting that no lynching is bad, but one that is definitely excusable with them posted in same time I guess.

      GMarshal
WTF this bastion of scumminess. He is saying he suggested idea of no lynch "to generate some discussion" while "fully [agreeing] that abstaining is wasting one of our most valuable resources as town".

On most favourable light it's just backtracking. But let's think about this more, GMarshal suggests the idea which is factually bad; everyone is clearly going to argue against it. More importantly he knows that abstaining is terrible idea and therefore not worth raising discussion about.

Now consider that talking about abstaining really contributes nothing to the game. No insight about players or setup is gained from pursuing this topic. Only thing that is going to happen is everyone saying 'I disagree'. So GMarshal has effectively DERAILED TOWN'S DISCUSSION. Anyone with some thought should figure out exactly what I said, and realize bringing up idea of abstaining is just a poor waste of time. But what does he do?

Nemesis I want to hear more from you, what is your opinion on not lynching on the first day? ... (anyone else can feel free to answer these questions, I'm just poking Nemesis in particular)

He refuses to let the freaking topic die despite of fully seeing how people just responded to it, and basically ensures that Nemesis is going to waste at least his next post saying 'OMG I think abstaining is bad thing' too.

I'm sorry, but this is really scummy. Vote-worthy scummy.

##Unvote BloodyC0bbler
##Vote GMarshal


I'm impartial toward ShoCkeyy. I have done the same thing after all, and if he persists in such behaviour we can lynch him later on. At least his inactivity is less scummy than what I just felt while writing about GMarshal above.

      Nemesis
This post is meh-ish, Pandain perfectly got the gist of it. Really like his response to the chaoser's statement as well. Actually enough to reconsider my opinion on him after his disastrous attack on me, but more on that later.

also minus townie points (to Nemesis).

      BloodyC0bbler
DO SOMETHING

Lot of people are actually rising up about Shockeyy thing, so I'll have to write out my detailed opinion too argh. My thinking is that while inactive is bad, it is noteworthy to keep inactive who is showing sign of willingness to participate around for more than day one. To my memory Shockeyy has repeatedly posted in the thread that he is busy with work, and that is perfectly possible (look at me). But what those one-liners show me is that he is interested in this game and may make viable analysis giving opportunity. This is why I am willing to keep him alive for day one, personally I don't see why people would suddenly be less encouraged to vote for inactives in day two compared to day one like some people are suggesting (I wouldn't).

      GMarshal
First paragraphs wishy-washy nature interesting. Might look for GMarshal-Nemesis connections if either of them flips red. On irrelevant note don't see why people say Nemesis is being aggressive against Shockeyy. My impression is that he just made somewhat scummy vote, but that one is definitely up to interpretation.

I mean if you want aggressive, you have this post as perfect example to look at

Shockeyy really need to talk about other players instead of OMGUSing up.

Hmm, Pandain is actually taking a very strong stance. Possible connections to look at if inactives keep insisting on being inactive (eg. Shockeyy) and Pandain refuses to vote for that individual.

LSB and Pandain duels over semantics. Really guys, I really don't think there is concrete formula for dealing with inactives/lurkers. It's just all case-to-case basis.

      Pandain
Ah, yes. "his disastrous attack on me" =/ See my prior post for response. What I want to discuss is the thing I found worth noting.

While I can see why he would vote me for pressure purposes, this is just poorly supported. I mean really poorly supported. Check the third quote by me he writes about, I will go into detail there. Okay, I realized that thing about "huge scum tell" could have come from me writing "hugely anti-town (thus a scumtell)" which can be read wrongly I guess. But the thing is how the hell could he believe that my previous post was about inactivity being huge scum tell when LSB's post I was replying to was basically arguing why lynching inactive is a good thing. His line of attack on me just felt really unnecessarily forced.

Overall I really don't know what to think about this for moment. Will probably have an idea when I read the rest of his posts though.

Taking a break for moment here. Will continue the rest later on. I probably need to iso few individuals I found interesting too.

==CURRENT LIST OF SCUMMINESS, FROM MOST TO LEAST.==
1. GMarshal
2. Nemesis
3. BloodyC0bbler
4. ShoCkeyy


Jackal58, Barundar, Pandain, GGQ, Chaoser, LSB bunched together in neutral territory.

Oh yeah, and in case you guys missed it, GMARSHAL!!! (I voted him). Seriously guys, read my WoT.
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
January 21 2011 23:15 GMT
#148
On January 22 2011 06:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 05:39 LSB wrote:
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Go ahead and lynch me so you can get no information what so ever, now you're really being stupid and playing horribly. Either way, still at work, then I have school tonight, so I won't be able to post till like 10pm Eastern.

If I did my time zone conversion correctly, that means that you won't be appearing until an hour after the day is finished.

In addition, the shockeyy lynch has never been about information. (Then again a side benefit if Shockeyy is red, Pandain is red). It's about clearing away the inactive players day one so we can get some good work done later


On January 22 2011 06:12 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!


Aside from not posting much, I don't know how I feel about shockeyy. i'm going to stick to my vote on pandain. Why go for someone he supports when you can just go for the main target. His jumping around on votes really makes me suspicious.

Is it suspicious or is it another attempt by Pandain to try to promote activity day 1? If I remember correctly, he did this back in another game, just 'pressuring people'. By pressuring I mean what he is doing now.

On January 22 2011 07:58 Hesmyrr wrote:
      Pandain
Ah, yes. "his disastrous attack on me" =/ See my prior post for response. What I want to discuss is the thing I found worth noting.

While I can see why he would vote me for pressure purposes, this is just poorly supported. I mean really poorly supported. Check the third quote by me he writes about, I will go into detail there. Okay, I realized that thing about "huge scum tell" could have come from me writing "hugely anti-town (thus a scumtell)" which can be read wrongly I guess. But the thing is how the hell could he believe that my previous post was about inactivity being huge scum tell when LSB's post I was replying to was basically arguing why lynching inactive is a good thing. His line of attack on me just felt really unnecessarily forced.

Discussing the setup is supposedly a mafia tell in Mafiascum Wiki, but it does not apply to TL mafia. Discussing the setup here is a null tell, generally townie, as the mafia here don't feel its necessary to do anything. However, discussing the setup can be used to augment an argument about not taking any positions.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
January 21 2011 23:40 GMT
#149
Finally, some analysis! and an accusation against me too! ok, let me answer the attack against me.
(Im going to use spoiler tags because I dont want to screw around with quotes
first you say

+ Show Spoiler +
GMarshal
Two things to note:
1) "So for now I'm going to go ahead and help Pandain pressure" is awfully convenient reason to join a bandwagon. I mean, joining bandwagon for pressure reason isn't that bad, but it is when someone specifically state their reasoning along with such vote I begin to raise eyebrows. Could be attempt to decrease personal responsibility, and is enough for me to think of the vote as scummy.

2) It is always good idea to pay attention to someone who suggest ideas detrimental to the town such as no lynch.


1.) Pressure dosn't work if it is a single person applying it, hence why I supported Pandain pressure, also alow me to throw out there that if I had just gone ahead and voted against Nemesis that would have also raised eyebrows, all in all I generally try to give some reason why I'm voting the way I am, even if its evident

2.) The reason I proposed we discuss the no lynch idea was to see if someone would support it either directly or indirectly, as either of those would have made me suspicious of the person, you might consider it a derailment of the topic at hand, but I felt like the discussion was starting to slow down anyway, although I understand why you would be suspicious of anyone proposing such an idea, kudos for pointing it out.

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WTF this bastion of scumminess. He is saying he suggested idea of no lynch "to generate some discussion" while "fully [agreeing] that abstaining is wasting one of our most valuable resources as town".

On most favourable light it's just backtracking. But let's think about this more, GMarshal suggests the idea which is factually bad; everyone is clearly going to argue against it. More importantly he knows that abstaining is terrible idea and therefore not worth raising discussion about.

Now consider that talking about abstaining really contributes nothing to the game. No insight about players or setup is gained from pursuing this topic. Only thing that is going to happen is everyone saying 'I disagree'. So GMarshal has effectively DERAILED TOWN'S DISCUSSION. Anyone with some thought should figure out exactly what I said, and realize bringing up idea of abstaining is just a poor waste of time. But what does he do?

Nemesis I want to hear more from you, what is your opinion on not lynching on the first day? ... (anyone else can feel free to answer these questions, I'm just poking Nemesis in particular)

He refuses to let the freaking topic die despite of fully seeing how people just responded to it, and basically ensures that Nemesis is going to waste at least his next post saying 'OMG I think abstaining is bad thing' too.

I'm sorry, but this is really scummy. Vote-worthy scummy.

##Unvote BloodyC0bbler
##Vote GMarshal



I agree, you could consider what I said to be backtracking, but if you go over my original post where I mention going no lynch, i merely said I was throwing it out there, not actually suggesting we use it. I was just pointing out something I found of particular note in the rules. Indirectly i was also using it to probe for scum, but I guess it was perhaps a little to evident. As to not letting the topic die I was just trying to get a response out of Nemesis, perhaps I chose the wrong topic to probe him on, but I really wanted to get something out of him. Also, I honestly wasn't sure that everyone was going to say "I disagree" it would have been stupid to post it otherwise. Also in my mind on the first day if it generates discussion of some sort then its not a waste of time at all. Again I posted the abstaining from lynching idea to get people to talk, as it seemed that the inactive people we were pressuring weren't going to respond any time soon



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First paragraphs wishy-washy nature interesting. Might look for GMarshal-Nemesis connections if either of them flips red. On irrelevant note don't see why people say Nemesis is being aggressive against Shockeyy. My impression is that he just made somewhat scummy vote, but that one is definitely up to interpretation.


I agree, I do come off as wishy-washy in that post, to be honest its because that's ow unsure I feel right now.

Either way kudos for writing a well thought out analysis, I'm glad that you are pointing out what you feel are scum tells, as I said earlier those have to be pointed out asap, so they don't become lost.

for now I'm going to ##unvote I'm still not sure who I should vote for, and theres a good chance I'll be gone for the rest of the night, since I don't want to be modkilled but I don't also want to leave a vote out that might hurt the town I'm going to leave it as

##Vote: GMarshal

if I get back in time tonight to for a good opinion I'll change it to whomever I see as scummiest, if I don't get back I'll trust you people to make a good choice as of who to hang
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 22 2011 00:01 GMT
#150
On January 22 2011 08:15 LSB wrote:
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On January 22 2011 06:02 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On January 22 2011 05:39 LSB wrote:
On January 22 2011 04:12 chaoser wrote:
I got enough out of him, the point is to pressure as many people as possible in a limited amount of time. Speaking of which, why is chaoser still voting me since I've obviously spoken.


You've spoken but all you've given is definitions and what we SHOULD do with no clear plans/idea on how we're going to even go about doing it (differentiate between town lurkers/inactives and mafia lurkers/inactives). You stated that your main goal is get town to be active which is a non-committal thing to do. Your analysis of Nemesis was pretty bad, pretty much calling him out on saying pretty much the same things everyone else was saying/everyone else usually says on Day 1 (Lynch inactives, blah blah blah). Though I do think Nemesis' over aggressiveness was a bit weird, I think your actions/posts haven't been much better. So I'm keeping my vote on you for the time being.

Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!
On January 22 2011 02:08 Pandain wrote:
Finally, I've decided that I don't think Shockkey is scum. He's playing his norm, in fact, even has contributed more with a semi analysis of Nemesis. I think Hesmyrr is a far better person to vote considering he has barely talked at all.


Go ahead and lynch me so you can get no information what so ever, now you're really being stupid and playing horribly. Either way, still at work, then I have school tonight, so I won't be able to post till like 10pm Eastern.

If I did my time zone conversion correctly, that means that you won't be appearing until an hour after the day is finished.

In addition, the shockeyy lynch has never been about information. (Then again a side benefit if Shockeyy is red, Pandain is red). It's about clearing away the inactive players day one so we can get some good work done later


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On January 22 2011 06:12 chaoser wrote:
Chaoser, lets lynch shockeyy instead!


Aside from not posting much, I don't know how I feel about shockeyy. i'm going to stick to my vote on pandain. Why go for someone he supports when you can just go for the main target. His jumping around on votes really makes me suspicious.

Is it suspicious or is it another attempt by Pandain to try to promote activity day 1? If I remember correctly, he did this back in another game, just 'pressuring people'. By pressuring I mean what he is doing now.

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On January 22 2011 07:58 Hesmyrr wrote:
      Pandain
Ah, yes. "his disastrous attack on me" =/ See my prior post for response. What I want to discuss is the thing I found worth noting.

While I can see why he would vote me for pressure purposes, this is just poorly supported. I mean really poorly supported. Check the third quote by me he writes about, I will go into detail there. Okay, I realized that thing about "huge scum tell" could have come from me writing "hugely anti-town (thus a scumtell)" which can be read wrongly I guess. But the thing is how the hell could he believe that my previous post was about inactivity being huge scum tell when LSB's post I was replying to was basically arguing why lynching inactive is a good thing. His line of attack on me just felt really unnecessarily forced.

Discussing the setup is supposedly a mafia tell in Mafiascum Wiki, but it does not apply to TL mafia. Discussing the setup here is a null tell, generally townie, as the mafia here don't feel its necessary to do anything. However, discussing the setup can be used to augment an argument about not taking any positions.


And this is not how you play mafia. I would say that this post is just scummy all around. You don't even consider the fact that I have two jobs and I go to school, but still I try to post as much as possible to try and show I'm not inactive. Just because I don't post a whole analysis in each of my post doesn't mean I'm inactive. Why don't you actually look at the people who really have been inactive and target them.

Besides what kind of "analysis" can I make in the first day when all of you keep arguing and fighting about the same thing? All your post sound like the rest of them. There isn't enough information to even try and come up with a "analysis". All you guys keep talking about is to lynch or not to lynch inactives. Really, what can I come up with out of that? What can I do to "prove" that I am not an inactive. All I know is that I'm voting for LSB now because the way he's been posting is just disgusting to me.

##Vote LSB
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 22 2011 00:06 GMT
#151
Oh and btw this is my last post for the night; I'm on a school computer since it's my break. Since it seems that I will get lynched tonight either way because LSB just always seems to want to lynch me first in every game we play together. Anyways, you're going to lynch me and learn nothing other than LSB in this game is Pandain in Mafia XXXV.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-22 00:44:50
January 22 2011 00:16 GMT
#152
Vote Count for Day 1

Votes for Pandain (1): Chaoser

Votes for ShOckeyy (3): Nemesis, LSB, Pandain

Votes for GMarshal (2): Hesmyrr, GMarshall

Votes for LSB (1): ShoCkeyy

Jackal58, Barundar, BloodyC0bbler, and GGQ have to vote or face the lightning. Day 1 ends in 3 hours and 44 minutes.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 22 2011 00:23 GMT
#153
Here look I'll do it for you guys


Player List:
1. Jackal58 - Has posted 7 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Jackal58&gb=date


2. Barundar - Has posted 4 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Barundar&gb=date


3. Hesmyr - Has posted 6 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Hesmyrr&gb=date


4. BloodyC0bbler - Has posted 6 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=BloodyC0bbler&gb=date


5. ShoCkeyy - Has posted 9 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=ShoCkeyy&gb=date


6. Pandain - Has posted 14 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Pandain&gb=date


7. GGQ - Has posted 8 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=GGQ&gb=date


8. Chaoser - Has posted 14 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=chaoser&gb=date


9. Nemesis - Post way more in the Anime Discussion thread than here........ He's posted only 6 times here.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=nemesis&gb=date


10. GMarshal - Has posted 5 times since the game has started
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=GMarshal&gb=date


11. LSB - Has posted 21 times since the game has started.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=LSB&gb=date



And now I'm late to class.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 22 2011 00:26 GMT
#154
On January 22 2011 09:16 flamewheel wrote:
Vote Count for Day 1

Votes for Pandain (1): Chaoser

Votes for Nemesis (1): GMarshal

Votes for ShOckeyy (3): Nemesis, LSB, Pandain

Votes for GMarshal (2): Hesmyrr, GMarshall

Votes for LSB (1): ShoCkeyy

Jackal58, Barundar, and GGQ have to vote or face the lightning. Day 1 ends in 3 hours and 44 minutes.


You are also forgetting BC he hasn't voted yet I think.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 22 2011 00:38 GMT
#155
I'm home now. A brutal day at work prevented me from posting since I left this morning. Although I did get a chance to read through it this afternoon.
BloodyC0bbler- Help out an ignorant noob. What is this "Zodiac" you refer too?

ShoCkeyy- I just want to say I understand commitment and prior responsibilities.
Will you be active on the weekend?

I am undecided on my vote atm. Am leaning towards Pandain but nothing is set in stone.
Life can only kill you once.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#156
Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.

##Vote Shockeyy

I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...
Bartundar
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-22 01:11:25
January 22 2011 01:07 GMT
#157
Day 1 Vote Count
BloodyC0bbler (0)
Hesmyrr

Nemesis (0)
Pandain
GMarshal

ShoCkeyy (4)
Nemesis
LSB
Pandain
Barundar

Pandain (1)
Chaoser

Hesmyrr (0)
Pandain

BloodyC0bbler (0)
Hesmyrr
Pandain

GMarshal (2)
Hesmyrr
GMarshal

LSB (1)
ShoCkeyy

Jackal58, BloodyC0bbler, and GGQ have not yet voted and are in danger of being modkilled. Voting closes in a little under 3 hours. If you see anything wrong here, please let me know.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
January 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#158
On January 22 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote:
Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.

##Vote Shockeyy

I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...


Laying low? Have you seen my post above? If anybody is laying low it's you Mr. 4 post in this thread alone.
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Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
January 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#159
On January 22 2011 10:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 10:07 Barundar wrote:
Right now our votes are too spread out, with new candidates popping up, and people voting for themself. I’m going to go with Shockeyy, who I think has tried laying low the most, and who I feel will be the least usefull for the town in the long run.

##Vote Shockeyy

I think however it’s too early to try and look for obvious connections between players, if anything, mafia xxxv taught me to take one lynch at a time. Pandain is hardly linked to Shockeyy just by stating his opinion on him, but let’s see what happens when we get close to lynch...


Laying low? Have you seen my post above? If anybody is laying low it's you Mr. 4 post in this thread alone.

It's not about the nr of posts...
Bartundar
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
January 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#160
Barundar voted.
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