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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
p-p-p-names are hard. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Day 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UchbIv9zM4w&feature=plcp Blazinghand the BLU Sniper is now DEAD. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Paqman, where are you? | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 15 2012 03:16 Sinensis wrote: @PaqMan: 1. I voted both N_T and layabout when it was time for their lynch. Flipping a coin between the two was my way of deciding which to try and lynch FIRST. 2. In both those cases, the ones on papapanda and l10f, I concluded that bother were suspicious. Maybe you missed the multitude of times I called each scum/mafia. Also, did you seriously just scold me for posting reads? Why am I being called out for posting reads? 3. You accuse me of narrating. It helps me to narrate from a person's perspective to gain insights on what I would do in their situation, to check and see if they have similar motivations as me. Someone who says: "We should lynch someone in order to gain information on who to lynch next." DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME MOTIVATIONS AS ME. (referring to N_T and papapanda) #1 So you basically randomly picked one of them to lynch, instead of the one you felt was scummier at that time? #2 a) After rereading your case on layabout, the most conclusive thing you came up with is this: + Show Spoiler + Killing town players because they "aren't useful anyway" or "are anti town" is scum logic. In the papapanda case the strongest conclusion was: + Show Spoiler + I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" So I guess I did miss the "multitude of times". #2 b) Did you even read my post? Please oh please point out where I was scolding you for posting reads! I said "He makes scumreads and Fos's in there, but he doesn't actively push them.." I was pointing out that you DO NOT ACTIVELY PUSH YOUR SCUMREADS. #3 I do accuse of being a narrator. Your "helps me gain insight" excuse is complete bull. Read:+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 12:22 Sinensis wrote: Sorry about that layabout. I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too. Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: You're against it again: Against it again: Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: But wait, what now? Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" Notice all those little useless one-liner comments? I don't even need to bold them all. You're not, "narrating from a person's perspective," you're just summarizing each individual post. Also I believe you've misinterpreted his quotes on that last part. He was pointing out that BM, being a veteran, is obviously a good potention scumhunter if he decides to play protown. He then goes on to say that a more experienced player who rolled scum is less likely to act like a bad townie/make noob mistakes. On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Also, papapanda, don't you EVER accuse me of making my posts intentionally long winded after I spend 20+ on each lengthy one trying to shorten it with millions of spoiler tags. Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. 20+ minutes? Millions of spoiler tags? I call bs. The only thing you did was spoiler each quote. And now you are threatening town by refusing to make cases? That's real town play there. My point still stands. Your two most significant posts this entire game have next-to-no content in them. You ignored this part of my FoS: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. You ignored the part of my FoS where I point out your wishy-washyness. You have also yet to post your "stuff" on I10f. TL;DR I'm down with lynching Sinensis and I suggest you go back and read why. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 15 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote: Didn't even get posts from him tonight :/ Paqman, where are you? Just got home and had to write up my response! checking out your case now | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote: If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions. After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you? | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 14 2012 13:41 Eiii wrote: My gut reaction is that he's scummy because he's calling out a lot of actions of mine as scummy. I have a hard time agreeing with him, so it feels more to me like he's trying to quickly shift attention onto me using whatever means he has available than him actually scumhunting. My feelings are probably wrong. Sorry, I thought the 'obviously' I threw in at the beginning of that sentence was enough to make it clear what I was trying to convey. I wouldn't have said anything about him if you hadn't asked :s In my defense, though, it was kind of 3am. Of course you have hard time agreeing, because you're scum? Why are you even saying hard time? If you're town you know you don't agree. If you're scum you know you don't agree. What do you mean shift attention onto you? I had no attention on me until I accused you! So what shifting? There was no shifting. I'd been advocating your lynch since day 2! To everyone else, think about what reason I would possibly have to come out and point fingers at people if no one suspected me in the first place! If I was scum, I could have lurked my way into victory, which is what Eiii is doing, and will accomplish if you lynch me today. I think I deserve a chance to prove my reads on Eiii now since we've had three mislynches since I first accused him. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 15 2012 08:15 marvellosity wrote: After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you? Yeah I'm more confident in Sinensis being scum than I10f. His two content-less PbP cases in which he hardly makes a conclusion. He doesn't push his scumreads. He contradicts himself in a horrible way (and didn't even address it when I brought it up). He's just recently become wishy-washy now that his two consistent reads (layabout and NT) are dead. And his most-recent declaration: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 03:24 Sinensis wrote: Next time I want a long post, I'll save this thread the convenience. I call him out on purposely trying to fluff up his cases, and he tells me that he's going to purposely play anti-town and not contribute. basically, all the reasons listed in my FoS and response to his defense. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 15 2012 09:00 l10f wrote: Of course you have hard time agreeing, because you're scum? Why are you even saying hard time? If you're town you know you don't agree. If you're scum you know you don't agree. What do you mean shift attention onto you? I had no attention on me until I accused you! So what shifting? There was no shifting. I'd been advocating your lynch since day 2! To everyone else, think about what reason I would possibly have to come out and point fingers at people if no one suspected me in the first place! If I was scum, I could have lurked my way into victory, which is what Eiii is doing, and will accomplish if you lynch me today. I think I deserve a chance to prove my reads on Eiii now since we've had three mislynches since I first accused him. You completely avoided Marv's case and you've done nothing to stop me from supporting your lynch. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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PaqMan
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote: If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions. I'm not convinced that Sin's actions you pointed out rocket him to the front of the scummy list. He rightfully pointed out that the N_T lynch was easy for people to jump on... which was entirely true since N_T wasn't doing anything except basically posting scumtells. I wouldn't fault someone for making that observation and voting N_T, it was a wifom situation. The other quotes that you dug up don't make him look like good town, sure, but they don't make him look like scum either. I'm much more interested in marvel's case on l10f, tbh. It's nice to know that my scumdar wasn't pinging just because of some sort of internal omgus reaction :D As a matter of fact, I'm gonna get this started early: ##Vote l10f | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Goodnight people. Hope the rest of y'all start posting more tomorrow. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Marv I hope you respond to my questions tomorrow! | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
@Paqman: Your case on Sinensis is better than what anyone has done so far and he seems scummier than both L10F and Eiii. The main reason for me being is that both Eiii and l10F have contributed whilst being pressured and then continued (in l10F's case at least) to try (though poorly) to be helpful to town, and though their defences so far have been pretty piss poor, Sinensis has managed to slide away from any attention through aggressive early voting. I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute. That being said I propose the following, town consolidates over one player, vote and force him to respond and take into consideration that response if considering a lynch. Practically all those who have been lynched have responded too late and so town had no choice but to go on with their lynch. If you are town your job is to stop being mislynched! (I can't believe I have to write that explicitly, but N_T and Grush seem to have not understood this). For me my two scum reads are Grush and Sinensis in that order. | ||
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