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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On January 27 2007 12:05 Servolisk wrote: I'm greatly confused by the strength getting attributed to McCain. Maybe you'll be less confused when he runs and wins. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
On January 27 2007 12:27 ManaBlue wrote: Maybe you'll be less confused when he runs and wins. Thanks, now I get it. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Haha, fine I was being a dick. But you're not serious are you? McCain has all the backing of the republican base due to his pro-life views, but he has much more palletable views from the perspective of more liberal and middle leaning voters in terms of foreign policy, torcher, etc. He's basically the anti-bush, but he's still a republican. He's perfectly positioned to take office. If you add to that the fact that the dems are leaning to putting a woman up against him you're looking at a fairly good bet for the next president. | ||
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Clutch3
United States1344 Posts
On January 27 2007 12:59 ManaBlue wrote: Haha, fine I was being a dick. But you're not serious are you? McCain has all the backing of the republican base due to his pro-life views, but he has much more palletable views from the perspective of more liberal and middle leaning voters in terms of foreign policy, torcher, etc. He's basically the anti-bush, but he's still a republican. He's perfectly positioned to take office. If you add to that the fact that the dems are leaning to putting a woman up against him you're looking at a fairly good bet for the next president. Well, I agree that if McCain gets the nomination, he probably beats anyone the Dems have (this is as things currently stand... who knows what will happen in the next 21 months). At this point he has broad crossover appeal. But McCain's gonna have a hard time getting the nomination. He's actually more liked by independents than Republicans, and even Dems like him almost as much as conservatives. As of right now, Giuliani is running 8% ahead of him (this is with a lot of others in the same poll, so who knows which of them gets the support if the other candidates drop out), and I've got to think that Giuliani will only gain support versus McCain. McCain's strong support for the surge will likely hurt him as time goes on, unless things really change for the better in Iraq. On other issues, Giuliani's got more strengths and fewer weaknesses with the Republican base. I think he fares better than McCain as time goes on. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political Tracking/Republican Primary/GOPPrimary012307.htm | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
I don't get the feeling he is popular now, although he was around 04, a lot has changed. His strength seemed to be he was a compromise between Bush and democrats, but it did not last. Given how the media got on Kerry for being a flip flopper they should have a field day with McCain. Also, he is not a very convincing speaker. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On January 27 2007 13:39 Servolisk wrote: McCain is far from anti-Bush, and there are a lot of conservatives that don't like him. It's not given that he will get the Republican nomination. I don't get the feeling he is popular now, although he was around 04, a lot has changed. His strength seemed to be he was a compromise between Bush and democrats, but it did not last. Given how the media got on Kerry for being a flip flopper they should have a field day with McCain. Also, he is not a very convincing speaker. That's true, he might have a hard time getting the nomination. The flip flop thing is a non issue though. The reason kerry got burned for that is that the republicans were way better at media manipulation than the dems who were basically pathetic in every side of campaigning. Seriously, it's like the dems like to lose. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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HAZE.tQ
United States251 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote: I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right. You make TL a not so happy place eversince you came here. Rebuting other people opinions on the basis of trying to be smart isnt called intelligence. what a fucking child  and please make it an IP ban or else  O ya what what your old qoute on your flame account aka "pr0n-"? Was it "making myself look stupid" re-ban this flaming piece of shit. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
Being a self-righteous, pompous, asshole is not in and of itself worthy of a ban. If anything pron has now doomed himself to being disliked on the forum, as that little quip will be used against him every other time he posts for the rest of his time here. Rest easy with that in mind. | ||
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HAZE.tQ
United States251 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote: I'm sorry that i disagree with you. Clearly you are the only person on this forum entitled to an opinion. EDIT: Actually if you want me to counter your point, I'm probably in the top 5% of the forum for intelligence, and top 1% for education. And yes, I have the test scores and degrees to back that up. But that doesn't matter. What matters is you didn't even counter any of my points; you just ask me to be banned for being right. ~_~ My test scores > your test scores. Wanna bet? | ||
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whatever
Mexico693 Posts
On January 26 2007 23:19 QuietIdiot wrote: The fucking south is gonna screw over him and hilary. (America, sadly, is not ready for a minority nor a woman leader...I think Hilary is a cold bitch, STILL A LITTLE STINGY ABOUT THE SNUGGLY FUN EH?) CONSERVATIVE MOTHER FUCKERS VOTED FOR BUSH..TWICE. THEYRE FUCKING TO BLAME. I' believe an ex-vice president like al gore woulda made better situations than this fucktard. (Screw kerry, he is a joke.) But I'm trying to be short and up to the point here, think how BIll got elected. A talented public speaker and intelligent man, he didn't have a strong political background to start his run for the presidency.(An average governor from Arkansas.) But after giving a speech at a democratic convention in 1990, he gained fame, and boom. Knocked off bush. sr with class. (His rhetoric being, "Its the economy, stupid.") I see obama possible, probably a better chance than hilary to get the focus, but those fucking uneducated stereotypically lesser culturally experienced individuals from the incestuous lands of countrymen. No, just no... Makes you wonder why the US hasn´t disintegrated. There really isn´t much in common between some (many?) parts of the states. Maybe if a conservative gets elected in 2008 it will help people realize this, and start some kind of movement for disintegration wich imo would be more beneficial than Hillary in the office. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On January 27 2007 11:37 MoltkeWarding wrote: when their party is able to cast off the Bush legacy and offer their lineup of superstar candidates. about as superstar - and as easily elected - as the Zambia A WCG BW lineup | ||
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5HITCOMBO
Japan2239 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 26 2007 20:24 pr0n wrote: [QUOTE]On January 26 2007 17:57 HAZE.tQ wrote: Someone re-ban pr0n please. He's a fucking Rtard.[/QUOTE] shit[/QUOTE] I think I speak for all of us when I say Suck it up, princess. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On January 27 2007 13:41 Servolisk wrote: What does Giuliani have going for him other than being mayor of New York during 9/11? What else could you need? He was very well-known and respected for that and it's going to work in his favor. He looks like the strength the people want to see when they elect a president. He's got a good shot because he is a middle Republican and believes some of the things Democrats do {as do I}. I don't think McCain and Giuliani will join together, but it would be big if they did. That's a powerful combination of Republican power. Also it's going to come down to who the Democrats choose. The Democrats should probably avoid limiting the ticket to a black guy or a white woman. I know they may be progressive but they got lucky with Pelosi. We're not going to vote for a black man or white woman in the next 5 years. That's what I think. We've been discussing this in my poli sci classes and it's really going to come down to character and facial difference, not necessarily on the issues. I don't think American's are ready for a woman president, and I think the election is going to come down to New York. Granted we're mostly liberal if Giuliani runs it will be a fight between the ex-Mayor and our Senator. I really don't even want to think about the 08 election until primary season. It's almost pointless right now. We still have 2 more years of our good ol' lame duck to enjoy =] | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On January 27 2007 17:31 GrandInquisitor wrote: ~_~ My test scores > your test scores. Wanna bet? you just got served by a guy who can't search his nickname gg | ||
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