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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12885 Posts
April 24 2013 05:02 GMT
#121
very very well written up for the overall situtation. thanks for all the work.
it will really help some people here to understand the chinese scene
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 24 2013 05:10 GMT
#122
it's quite implausible that they're crying racism. it's not like americans make THAT large a distinction between chinese and koreans anyway.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
April 24 2013 05:12 GMT
#123
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China
김현아 fighting!
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 24 2013 05:18 GMT
#124
Sorry if this was already discussed but what I don't get is this: Is 3 players check in at the same time -and let's not mention that they were said good to go- how can one of them get in? If they were too late then none of them should've made it. If one of them made it how come the other too were too late?

I'm not even gonna start to think about the DQ, and HyuN and those maphackers fools, etc.
The heart's eternal vow
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 05:26:08
April 24 2013 05:19 GMT
#125
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China

Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US?
Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft.

and,My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
jackrlong
Profile Joined April 2012
United States49 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 05:22:05
April 24 2013 05:20 GMT
#126
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China



...Because a link to a Wikipedia page is totally legit. Especially when it ranks China 80th out of 176 (that's above median, LOL): that is TOTALLY "one of the most corrupt"... That's like getting below the median on an exam and saying "I had one of the best scores on the test!"
I've made a huge mistake.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2013 05:21 GMT
#127
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China


To be fair, the article doesn't say the corruption in China is because 'chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done,' which is a gross stereotype you brought up based on personal experience/bias.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
April 24 2013 05:23 GMT
#128
I cannot even believe the amounts of idiocy there is here. The OP is top-tier and gives a nice (different) perspective on the matter. While it IS Comm's fault that he didn't immediately tell admins and get approval, I don't really care much about it personally. But, to actually say that the Chinese were at fault is absurd. Now, I did not check personally, but was there any way to actually SEE if you were in the top 512?
So, if you are a foreigner, and you did your best to read the rules and shit for the tournament, and you feel like you've followed them, but see there still a problem, asking an admin about it is probably a good course of action. That's what Edison did, and he actually got CONFIRMATION. But, you know what? Nothing actually changed and they were gimped. Sorry, that isn't the Chinese' fault. For those that did not receive confirmation, it's still silly. The scenario should never even be POSSIBLE.
Quit filling all of these threads with your retardation. PLEASE.
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 24 2013 05:28 GMT
#129
On April 24 2013 14:20 jackrlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China



...Because a link to a Wikipedia page is totally legit. Especially when it ranks China 80th out of 176 (that's above median, LOL): that is TOTALLY "one of the most corrupt"... That's like getting below the median on an exam and saying "I had one of the best scores on the test!"


Thank god you really read this wiki page? Lol, i don't even bother to click it..
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
BreAKerTV
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan1658 Posts
April 24 2013 05:28 GMT
#130
On April 24 2013 13:35 EngrishTeacher wrote:
The biggest fucking issue I have at the moment is HoTS is STILL NOT RELEASED on the Chinese server.

I can login to my NA account on a different SC client and play HoTS (albeit at ~300ms ping) just fine, but when I bought a copy of WoL for the Chinese server, I was promised a free upgrade to HoTS. Blizzard's decision to delay HoTS release for China indefinitely (still no official date of release) pisses me off as a player and viewer.

How can Chinese players practice properly, faced with either an obsolete WoL client or 300-400ms ping playing on other servers?

I've never really lashed out at Blizzard before, but fuck, they really fucked up this time.

So, wait, has it been confirmed that everyone who bought a WoL account in China gets a free upgrade to HoTS? Link?
Retired caster / streamer "BingeHD". Digital Nomad.
Illmatic_23
Profile Joined April 2013
7 Posts
April 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#131

Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US?
Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft.

and,My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this.[/QUOTE]

god job bro! we support u!
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 24 2013 05:36 GMT
#132
On April 24 2013 14:28 Enders116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 13:35 EngrishTeacher wrote:
The biggest fucking issue I have at the moment is HoTS is STILL NOT RELEASED on the Chinese server.

I can login to my NA account on a different SC client and play HoTS (albeit at ~300ms ping) just fine, but when I bought a copy of WoL for the Chinese server, I was promised a free upgrade to HoTS. Blizzard's decision to delay HoTS release for China indefinitely (still no official date of release) pisses me off as a player and viewer.

How can Chinese players practice properly, faced with either an obsolete WoL client or 300-400ms ping playing on other servers?

I've never really lashed out at Blizzard before, but fuck, they really fucked up this time.

So, wait, has it been confirmed that everyone who bought a WoL account in China gets a free upgrade to HoTS? Link?

haha, that's rumours from web.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12885 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-24 05:43:22
April 24 2013 05:40 GMT
#133
On April 24 2013 14:28 Enders116 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 13:35 EngrishTeacher wrote:
The biggest fucking issue I have at the moment is HoTS is STILL NOT RELEASED on the Chinese server.

I can login to my NA account on a different SC client and play HoTS (albeit at ~300ms ping) just fine, but when I bought a copy of WoL for the Chinese server, I was promised a free upgrade to HoTS. Blizzard's decision to delay HoTS release for China indefinitely (still no official date of release) pisses me off as a player and viewer.

How can Chinese players practice properly, faced with either an obsolete WoL client or 300-400ms ping playing on other servers?

I've never really lashed out at Blizzard before, but fuck, they really fucked up this time.

So, wait, has it been confirmed that everyone who bought a WoL account in China gets a free upgrade to HoTS? Link?

confirmed quite a long time ago
http://www.gk99.com/oln/20130312/49857.html
but it's only for those who has purchased the 畅玩版 wol

or is it a rumor? No one ever said it is a rumor though @@
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 24 2013 05:45 GMT
#134
On April 24 2013 14:40 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:28 Enders116 wrote:
On April 24 2013 13:35 EngrishTeacher wrote:
The biggest fucking issue I have at the moment is HoTS is STILL NOT RELEASED on the Chinese server.

I can login to my NA account on a different SC client and play HoTS (albeit at ~300ms ping) just fine, but when I bought a copy of WoL for the Chinese server, I was promised a free upgrade to HoTS. Blizzard's decision to delay HoTS release for China indefinitely (still no official date of release) pisses me off as a player and viewer.

How can Chinese players practice properly, faced with either an obsolete WoL client or 300-400ms ping playing on other servers?

I've never really lashed out at Blizzard before, but fuck, they really fucked up this time.

So, wait, has it been confirmed that everyone who bought a WoL account in China gets a free upgrade to HoTS? Link?

confirmed quite a long time ago
http://www.gk99.com/oln/20130312/49857.html
but it's only for those who has purchased the 畅玩版 wol

or is it a rumor? No one ever said it is a rumor though @@

Need confirmation from s.163..lol
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
April 24 2013 05:47 GMT
#135
What a thread what the hell happened here....
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
April 24 2013 05:54 GMT
#136
I wrote so many 'long' and thoughtful replies, but in the end I can leave my reply in this thread as the following and I guess the core of it is in.

MLGs mistakes led to a qualifier that can be called nothing but void. I can understand that the qualifier cannot be re-run, but in theory it should be re-run. Even if you want to give MLG the benefit of the doubt which would include not knowing that more than 512 people want to sign up and thus excluding various chinese players and not knowing that PhysicsLee was a known hacker, then you are still left with the following problem:

Hyun beat players and took their chance from qualifying. Everyone who played Hyun could have advanced further so that part of the bracket is invalid from that point on. Every player Comm beat could potentially be further in the tournament and/or advanced. The most 'outstanding' example is probably hendralisk, who could potentially beat the StC, at least you cannot call him out for only having a 0,01% chance of doing so.

Not only did the disqualification of Comm lead to Apocalpyse being qualified with one less bo3 (Notice: DemusliM would have been qualified with one less bo3, so would any other player that lost in the last round before qualification) but also rendered the bracket void, as a disqualification based on their rule would lead to the assumption that he would not be allowed to be in from the very beginning.

Its a shame not just because chinese players were excluded, but for reference mostly because MLG has shown absolute disinterest and distaste handling the situation. I replied to Sundance's tweet 'Qualifier was not perfect, but too much uninformed information flying around' (something along those lines) with 'Calling it not perfect is an insult towards the community' which he replied to basically with 'the mistakes we made will be fixed'

One day later I see an apology that is basically empty words, doesn't adress the real problems to prevent the users that are not aware of the issue, will not be aware of them after the apology, because that would make MLG look bad. I cannot see how anyone in here would first of all defend MLG and on the other hand thinks this is a case where you could have an opinion.

I can guarantee you, every professional tournament organizes would judge/rate this tournament void/invalid. Shame really.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
PLU_CN
Profile Joined April 2013
Afghanistan7 Posts
April 24 2013 05:57 GMT
#137
South Korea is the backyard of USA, North Korea is the backyard of China.

But we can not deny that South Korea E-sport is better than any country in this world. The pro gamer in China means group of people without good education. Sometimes, they play dirty, fake game, trolling. What I can say? Chinese pro gamer is not professional in e-sport.



User was banned for this post.
Kim Hyuna
Profile Joined March 2013
Korea (South)264 Posts
April 24 2013 06:01 GMT
#138
On April 24 2013 14:19 jalen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China

Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US?
Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft.

and,My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this.


Plesse don't be dumb.

All the information's on Wiki is based on transparency index site.
김현아 fighting!
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 24 2013 06:04 GMT
#139
On April 24 2013 14:57 PLU_CN wrote:
South Korea is the backyard of USA, North Korea is the backyard of China.

But we can not deny that South Korea E-sport is better than any country in this world. The pro gamer in China means group of people without good education. Sometimes, they play dirty, fake game, trolling. What I can say? Chinese pro gamer is not professional in e-sport.



Ha. you are trolling indeed? Because you are banned from Chinese web forum so you take your revenge here? PLU is a chinese web forum, if you really want to pretend you are someone name another name.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
jalen
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia222 Posts
April 24 2013 06:05 GMT
#140
On April 24 2013 15:01 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2013 14:19 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 14:12 Kim Hyuna wrote:
On April 24 2013 14:02 jalen wrote:
On April 24 2013 11:50 Kim Hyuna wrote:
Although i'm an asian, i do agreed that the chinese is at fault on this.

Like some said, rules is rules. Nothing is bigger than rules.

And if he wants to play, register with his own nick and play. Not getting someone's nick instead.

Not to offense the chinese, but chinese tends to find easier way or short cut to get things done.

Why? i deal with them in real life many times.

Now you know why China is one of the most corrupted country worldwide.

Ha, OZ, alive, JYP, JD, all the korean guys are register after top 512 spot, so what MLG do? kick out some guy from the top 512 and give the spots to the seeded player, thats make the rule totally a joke. You should reserve your 64 seeded spot not rob the spots from the players who register earlier or just announce top 452 players register first get in the bracket.
And don't say China is one the most corrupted country, same as yours.


I don't mentioned things without baseless sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China

Aha, did you actually go to university? Did your lecturer told you never use WIKI as reference? Anyone can edit the wiki, especially for the western anti Chinese government group. And don't make here a discuss of politics. If you want to discuss the politics, what i should say. Chinese government are corrupted, but they can defend their homeland with their our army, what South Korean do? Papa American? Wow, let US army stationing in your homeland? are you sure you are country or just a state of US?
Ok, Stop talking about anything besides starcraft.

and,My friend from south korea if you feel uncomfortable with what i say, i will delete this.


Plesse don't be dumb.

All the information's on Wiki is based on transparency index site.

All the Wiki is based on people from internet. You really need some higher education.
Why don't you play other Dota kind games? Because there is no Denies!!!!
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